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Breaking News Dashboard

Unread post by rnu » Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:30 pm

The WMF is working on a breaking news feature, because that is what Wikipedia really needs. :facepalm:
More information: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedi ... aking_news
Beta of the Dashboard: https://breakingnews-beta.enterprise.wikimedia.com/
Announcement: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... g_feedback.
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Re: Breaking News Dashboard

Unread post by Zoloft » Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:45 pm

rnu wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:30 pm
The WMF is working on a breaking news feature, because that is what Wikipedia really needs. :facepalm:
More information: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedi ... aking_news
Beta of the Dashboard: https://breakingnews-beta.enterprise.wikimedia.com/
Announcement: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... g_feedback.
If it was combined with an absolute prohibition on breaking news in articles (lock and provide a link to the breaking news board) then some good could come of it.

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Re: Breaking News Dashboard

Unread post by tarantino » Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:17 pm

wikimedia.com?

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Re: Breaking News Dashboard

Unread post by rnu » Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:28 pm

tarantino wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:17 pm
wikimedia.com?
Wikimedia Enterprise uses ".com". I assume it is because WE is a company/commercial product.
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Re: Breaking News Dashboard

Unread post by Giraffe Stapler » Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:38 pm

So let me see if I have this straight. Wiki Enterprise (part of the WMF that supplies an API to high-volume customers) wrote a dashboard that no one asked for, and wants volunteers to determine if things are breaking news or just a couple of editors hitting the same article close together?

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Re: Breaking News Dashboard

Unread post by Vigilant » Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:45 pm

Giraffe Stapler wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:38 pm
So let me see if I have this straight. Wiki Enterprise (part of the WMF that supplies an API to high-volume customers) wrote a dashboard that no one asked for, and wants volunteers to determine if things are breaking news or just a couple of editors hitting the same article close together?
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Re: Breaking News Dashboard

Unread post by Mojito » Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:49 pm

Zoloft wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:45 pm
If it was combined with an absolute prohibition on breaking news in articles (lock and provide a link to the breaking news board) then some good could come of it.
Touché!

But what's the actual purpose? The official description seems quite vague:
- "allowing API users to easily identify this kind of content within their copy of the dataset"
- "The feature is created primarily for Enterprise API users and with community editors in mind."

Maybe it's for training AI bots? If so, is there a reason that the WMF would be coy about this?

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Re: Breaking News Dashboard

Unread post by rnu » Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:09 pm

Giraffe Stapler wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:38 pm
So let me see if I have this straight. Wiki Enterprise (part of the WMF that supplies an API to high-volume customers) wrote a dashboard that no one asked for, and wants volunteers to determine if things are breaking news or just a couple of editors hitting the same article close together?
No-one on Wikipedia asked for it. That doesn't necessarily mean that no-one asked for it. I don't know why commercial users of the API would want it, but that may just be my lack of imagination when it comes to monetizing other people's work.
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Re: Breaking News Dashboard

Unread post by Giraffe Stapler » Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:59 pm

rnu wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:09 pm
Giraffe Stapler wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:38 pm
So let me see if I have this straight. Wiki Enterprise (part of the WMF that supplies an API to high-volume customers) wrote a dashboard that no one asked for, and wants volunteers to determine if things are breaking news or just a couple of editors hitting the same article close together?
No-one on Wikipedia asked for it. That doesn't necessarily mean that no-one asked for it. I don't know why commercial users of the API would want it, but that may just be my lack of imagination when it comes to monetizing other people's work.
The company or companies who pay for high-volume API access are more than capable of writing this kind of thing themselves. I would bet money that no one paying for the API access asked for this.

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Re: Breaking News Dashboard

Unread post by Vigilant » Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:35 pm

Giraffe Stapler wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:59 pm
rnu wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:09 pm
Giraffe Stapler wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:38 pm
So let me see if I have this straight. Wiki Enterprise (part of the WMF that supplies an API to high-volume customers) wrote a dashboard that no one asked for, and wants volunteers to determine if things are breaking news or just a couple of editors hitting the same article close together?
No-one on Wikipedia asked for it. That doesn't necessarily mean that no-one asked for it. I don't know why commercial users of the API would want it, but that may just be my lack of imagination when it comes to monetizing other people's work.
The company or companies who pay for high-volume API access are more than capable of writing this kind of thing themselves. I would bet money that no one paying for the API access asked for this.
When you're integrating to an API like this, you want the thinnest wrapper possible to get the job done.

There's no way any commercial company wants an opaque code module, maintained by the dingdongs at the WMF, added between them and the dataset like this.
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