Re: Glorious Kudpung takes on another prominent Wikiwoman
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:57 am
I wasn't being sarcastic.
I missed the spat. I think I was out on my walkabout.
I missed the spat. I think I was out on my walkabout.
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I have observed how Kudpung works. He "collects" people. He cleverly fosters personal relationships with long tenure Admins, 'Crats. and current & former AC members. Lots of personal first name dropping, sycophancy and the "YHM" messages dropped to influential people - as with NYB in this case and the likes of WTT. This gives him his sense of empowerment. He believes that he is untouchable. Like a patsy you've been duped. Kudpung "owns" you and several other AC members.Beeblebrox wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:50 am"you crave power" What a load of shit. I've done this job before you know. It does not, at any time, fill one with a sense of awesome power. This is a shit job, I volunteered for it because for some reason I actually care.
There's a message from about six months ago in my talk archives in which Kudpung mentions that if I make it to Wikimania in Bangkok next year he'll "be making absolutely sure that my friends who are able to come will have a great time." How's it gonna look if someone who received such an invitation, along with many other friendly messages over the years, is now voting in this case?
And yeah, I'm busy right now. Not forever, not for my entire term, not going to disappear for months on end like some arbs did last year, but (not that's it's any of your business) I have this thing called a real job and we're starting a massive project right now and I'll be extremely busy in on-and-off doses over the next few months, I'll still be able to participate in voting on PDs and responding to the various other things we're working on, I just don't have the time at the moment to take the lead on a case. I would imagine there will plenty of other opportunities to do so in the remaining 21 months of my term.
Strange that she never felt the recuse when I was hauled up before the beak then. Well it would be strange, if you and most of the rest of ArbCom werm't such dishonest, hypocritical twats.Beeblebrox wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:55 amAnd yeah, if you know the details of what happened between them, she absolutely needed to recuse. Kudpung's been around a long time, he knows a lot of people, and he's really pissed off a fair number of them, including GW.
and BB just saying "recuse" - no explanation. Disrespectful really. Coming to this site to explain swerving responsibility and yet not providing any rationale to the community who elected him.Eric Corbett wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:08 pmStrange that she never felt the recuse when I was hauled up before the beak then. Well it would be strange, if you and most of the rest of ArbCom werm't such dishonest, hypocritical twats.Beeblebrox wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:55 amAnd yeah, if you know the details of what happened between them, she absolutely needed to recuse. Kudpung's been around a long time, he knows a lot of people, and he's really pissed off a fair number of them, including GW.
This spat is 50% of why there needs to be a case and 50% of the reason it will end like it ends if there is.
Yes on the "bigger dick than Fram" observation. That's another reason why the Fram case ending the way it did instead of giving him a pass on a technicality was so important. The principle of "Administrative Conduct Unbecoming" may not be as entrenched as it should be, but it's definitely a thing now. There was one case ahead of Fram where that rationale really emerged, i don't recall which. But is definitely becoming a real thing, and that is very, very good for the cause of "workplace reform" — where it doesn't necessarily take a bad block or a wheelwarring action to get rid of a bad overseer.
Not sure who you are/were on-wiki, but from this and previous conversations I get the feeling you just don't like me no matter what I say, but for the record:Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:31 pmand BB just saying "recuse" - no explanation. Disrespectful really. Coming to this site to explain swerving responsibility and yet not providing any rationale to the community who elected him.
Despite which, it is now 3/3/4 so hope lives on. Maybe Beeblebrox can explain to his AC colleagues what a great fellow Kudpung is and that a warm welcome awaits in an unspecified neighborhood in Bangkok for all those who renege on their responsibility
I'll repeat what it is I do not like. Kudpung is a thug & bully and has been for 10 years. You tacitly support him by not doing your job. So you've met him at a meet-up, got on with him and hope to do so again in downtown Bangkok. He has successfully cultivated you. Maybe he'll play you a tune. Obviously you were not there a few years ago when he was minded to throw his beer on members of the so-called anti-Admin brigade. You should give a reason for recusing - it might not be unprecedented but it is vanishingly rare in my experience not to give a reason for refusing to do the job you were elected for. Just look at the growing list of notable editors in good standing - how can you possibly ignore that? It is not his pleasant, RL alter-ego were are discussing - it is his nasty, vindictive on-line presence. And let's be clear about something, the reason given here is because you are his RL friend, not because you incidentally happen to be busy in RL. As for who I am, that is no concern of yours.Beeblebrox wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:47 pmNot sure who you are/were on-wiki, but from this and previous conversations I get the feeling you just don't like me no matter what I say, but for the record:Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:31 pmand BB just saying "recuse" - no explanation. Disrespectful really. Coming to this site to explain swerving responsibility and yet not providing any rationale to the community who elected him.
Despite which, it is now 3/3/4 so hope lives on. Maybe Beeblebrox can explain to his AC colleagues what a great fellow Kudpung is and that a warm welcome awaits in an unspecified neighborhood in Bangkok for all those who renege on their responsibility
-There is no obligation to explain a recusal. You're basically saying you shouldn't be involved, so any further comment is just noise. I'm not going to apologize for understanding basic ethical principles like avoiding the appearance of impropriety. If anyone on-wiki has any questions about it I have no problem providing details but so far nobody has said anything. I offered an explanation here because ya'll were already talking about why so many had recused.
-I won't be discussing this with the other arbs, at all. That's how recusal works. Again, I actually take this shit seriously. If I have anything to tell them it would have to be on the public case pages as a commenter/participant, not as an arb. I don't anticipate that happening at all in this case.
Upon further review, giving things some more serious thought... The score for taking the case is currently 5 / 2 / 4 out of 15 Arbs. The 4 recusals come off the 15 total, so it is sitting 5 / 2 out of 11, a majority of 6 being all that is necessary for the case to happen. One more accept OR two more recusals from the remaining four arbs and the case will happen. So we're better than 60-40 here; more like 80-20.I previously wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:46 pm
Now as to odds. There is a broad dislike of Kudpunk's assholery not only among the content people, but also among the Friends of San Francisco (not to be confused with the Friends of Dorothy). That's why the force of gravity is pulling this request towards a case. But there is a sense of newness to the process — reviewing an administrator for being imperious and nasty? Without Trust & Safety forcing the situation? That's new ground.
The pretty long odds were getting from SS's original off-wiki complaint to an Arbcom case request. That actually happened thanks to.......... a former Arb and one who is in tight with WMF. Now we're pretty much in 60-40 or even 70-30 land for acceptance.
And Kudping ain't walking away with his toolbox if this case actually happens... 90-10 odds.
And then he will run another RFA because Kudpung. And that one might stay open for three days. Maybe. You bet on the over/under of three days for that one, with the end result 100% certain.
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What about Superbowl?Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:28 pmYeah, I think he's definitely odds on to have tools pulled pending a reconfirmation RFA. That is the way that the previous "conduct unbecoming"/"lost the confidence of the community" cases have played out and there would be plenty of vitriol in a Kudpung case. He's well into "Net Negative" territory with most Wikipedians.
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In Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (T-H-L) and A Murder of Quality (T-H-L), creepy boarding-school teachers initated the most talented students into their personal dinner-clubs.Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:04 amI have observed how Kudpung works. He "collects" people. He cleverly fosters personal relationships with long tenure Admins, 'Crats. and current & former AC members. Lots of personal first name dropping, sycophancy and the "YHM" messages dropped to influential people - as with NYB in this case and the likes of WTT. This gives him his sense of empowerment. He believes that he is untouchable. Like a patsy you've been duped. Kudpung "owns" you and several other AC members.
Moral Hazard wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:47 pmIn Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (T-H-L) and A Murder of Quality (T-H-L), creepy boarding-school teachers initated the most talented students into their personal dinner-clubs.Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:04 amI have observed how Kudpung works. He "collects" people. He cleverly fosters personal relationships with long tenure Admins, 'Crats. and current & former AC members. Lots of personal first name dropping, sycophancy and the "YHM" messages dropped to influential people - as with NYB in this case and the likes of WTT. This gives him his sense of empowerment. He believes that he is untouchable. Like a patsy you've been duped. Kudpung "owns" you and several other AC members.
Oh, Kudpung as candidate in a re-RfA: That might be even far more entertaining that this (hopefully) Arb.Case we're looking at.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:46 pm... And Kudping ain't walking away with his toolbox if this case actually happens... ...
And then he will run another RFA because Kudpung. And that one might stay open for three days. Maybe. You bet on the over/under of three days for that one, with the end result 100% certain.
RfB
Kudpung is toast.Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:54 pmExcoriating from GW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... llaWarfare
Laughable how he has pivoted to the extent that his nose is now up his backside More important, will NYB or Fuchs change their mind....!?Vigilant wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:36 pmWould somebody kindly tell Jehochmoan to STFU?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =935161298
Gorilla Warfare (T-C-L) carved the blood eagle (T-H-L)Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:54 pmExcoriating from GW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... llaWarfare
Moral Hazard wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:28 pmGorilla Warfare (T-C-L) carved the blood eagle (T-H-L)Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:54 pmExcoriating from GW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... llaWarfare
on Kudpung (T-C-L)'s withered flesh ... sagging breasts ... and flabby b-b-buttocks
scorned by WiR valkyries
Arbcom removed Ironholds's administrative status for conduct unbecoming, in the days when giants walked the Wikipedia firmament.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:46 pmThe principle of "Administrative Conduct Unbecoming" may not be as entrenched as it should be, but it's definitely a thing now. There was one case ahead of Fram where that rationale really emerged, i don't recall which.
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That obnoxiously sheepish comment must have been meant to be posted on Wikipedia, not Wikipediocracy.Moral Hazard wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:37 pm... We do not need to mention specifics, again, a few weeks after Nyb asked us to avoid old business without purpose.
I'm gonna bet Niners over Ravens. With my fingers crossed. Vegas will have them about a 2.5 or 3 point dog.Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:40 pmWhat about Superbowl?Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:28 pmYeah, I think he's definitely odds on to have tools pulled pending a reconfirmation RFA. That is the way that the previous "conduct unbecoming"/"lost the confidence of the community" cases have played out and there would be plenty of vitriol in a Kudpung case. He's well into "Net Negative" territory with most Wikipedians.
RfB
Oh, yeah. Oooooooooooooo-ooh, yeah!DexterPointy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:52 pmOh, Kudpung as candidate in a re-RfA: That might be even far more entertaining that this (hopefully) Arb.Case we're looking at.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:46 pm... And Kudping ain't walking away with his toolbox if this case actually happens... ...
And then he will run another RFA because Kudpung. And that one might stay open for three days. Maybe. You bet on the over/under of three days for that one, with the end result 100% certain.
RfB
With GW and SS both drawing daggers and moving in, as they should, the outcome of this drama becomes entirely predictable. Those two incidents together become an outline of a pattern of ongoing behavior. Then you add to the mix the Sherlock incident and probably five other incidents from the past couple years that we don't even know about yet...........Vigilant wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:32 pmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... y_Missvain
Adios, Kudpung.
Kudpung is about to get integration scrummed.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:22 amWith GW and SS both drawing daggers and moving in, as they should, the outcome of this drama becomes entirely predictable. Those two incidents together become an outline of a pattern of ongoing behavior. Then you add to the mix the Sherlock incident and probably five other incidents from the past couple years that we don't even know about yet...........Vigilant wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:32 pmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... y_Missvain
Adios, Kudpung.
RfB
Kudpung,=== Kudpung: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <6/2/4> ===
7/2/4 now with Joe Roe. Kudpung couldn't have expected this turn of events. The realisation that so many people around the world think you are a twat could come as a shock.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:32 pmAt this point, the CORRECT play is for Kudpung to resign tools, issue a blanket apology, and shut the fuck up. Arbcom would probably ratify the resignation by motion, note that it is under a cloud, and that would be the end of the show.
What ACTUALLY happens though, will be rather longer, louder, and more comical.
RfB
We have now passed the threshold between drama and entertainment.Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:58 pm7/2/4 now with Joe Roe. Kudpung couldn't have expected this turn of events. The realisation that so many people around the world think you are a twat could come as a shock.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:32 pmAt this point, the CORRECT play is for Kudpung to resign tools, issue a blanket apology, and shut the fuck up. Arbcom would probably ratify the resignation by motion, note that it is under a cloud, and that would be the end of the show.
What ACTUALLY happens though, will be rather longer, louder, and more comical.
RfB
Now seems to be building some sort of evidence base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kudp ... %BCckblick
Superbowl odds, Tim?Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:16 pmWe have now passed the threshold between drama and entertainment.Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:58 pm7/2/4 now with Joe Roe. Kudpung couldn't have expected this turn of events. The realisation that so many people around the world think you are a twat could come as a shock.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:32 pmAt this point, the CORRECT play is for Kudpung to resign tools, issue a blanket apology, and shut the fuck up. Arbcom would probably ratify the resignation by motion, note that it is under a cloud, and that would be the end of the show.
What ACTUALLY happens though, will be rather longer, louder, and more comical.
RfB
Now seems to be building some sort of evidence base https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kudp ... %BCckblick
Enjoy the show, folks!
tim
There's a whole industry dedicated to that!
Here is Kudpung's Christmas card list — the 38 Wikipedians to whom he sent "Happy Holidays" messages on Dec. 24, 2019:Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:04 am
I have observed how Kudpung works. He "collects" people. He cleverly fosters personal relationships with long tenure Admins, 'Crats. and current & former AC members. Lots of personal first name dropping, sycophancy and the "YHM" messages dropped to influential people - as with NYB in this case and the likes of WTT. This gives him his sense of empowerment. He believes that he is untouchable. Like a patsy you've been duped. Kudpung "owns" you and several other AC members.
To be fair, to do something as major as setting up a new disciplinary committee would require much more than a simple majority. It's effectively a constitutional amendment.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:55 pmBack in the summer of 2015, Kudpung teamed up with his friend Worm That Turned (T-C-L) to propose formation of a Bureaucrats' Administrative Review Committee (BARC), which would have established a mechanism outside of Arbcom for the discipline of rogue administrators. The RFC failed of passage by a vote of 115 (for) to 77 (opposed), thanks to Wikipedia's idiotic Minority Rules pseudo-consensus vote-counting system, which makes the American electoral college look like an exercise in democracy...
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The numbnuts who ruled that a 60-40 landslide was a victory for the minority was MDann52 (T-C-L) .
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P.S. I get WTT's recusal now. Good move, Dave.
In American baseball, at each game of every spring training, Pete Rose would always make a point of talking to the other team's young pitchers, in the belief that a friendly conversation would inhibit them from throwing hard and inside.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:21 pmHere is Kudpung's Christmas card list — the 38 Wikipedians to whom he sent "Happy Holidays" messages on Dec. 24, 2019:Jans Hammer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:04 am
I have observed how Kudpung works. He "collects" people. He cleverly fosters personal relationships with long tenure Admins, 'Crats. and current & former AC members. Lots of personal first name dropping, sycophancy and the "YHM" messages dropped to influential people - as with NYB in this case and the likes of WTT. This gives him his sense of empowerment. He believes that he is untouchable. Like a patsy you've been duped. Kudpung "owns" you and several other AC members.
• Andrew Davidson
• Anna Frodesiak
• Atsme
• Barkeep49
• Bluerasberry
• Boing! said Zebedee
• CambridgeBayWeather
• CAPTAIN RAJU
• Chris troutman
• ClemRutter
• Cullen328
• Davey2010
• Dennis Brown
• DGG
• Doc James
• Drmies
• Fram
• Gerda Arndt
• Guy Macon
• HJ Mitchell
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• Iridescent
• JarrahTree
• Jorm
• K.e.coffman
• MelanieN
• MER-C
• Nosebagbear
• RexxS
• Scottywong
• Serial Numbe 54129
• SMcCandlish
• Softlavender
• SoWhy
• Voceditenore
• WereSpielChequers
• Worm That Turned
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Could you kindly explain that to the British Government, please?Poetlister wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:08 pmTo be fair, to do something as major as setting up a new disciplinary committee would require much more than a simple majority. It's effectively a constitutional amendment.Randy from Boise wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:55 pmBack in the summer of 2015, Kudpung teamed up with his friend Worm That Turned (T-C-L) to propose formation of a Bureaucrats' Administrative Review Committee (BARC), which would have established a mechanism outside of Arbcom for the discipline of rogue administrators. The RFC failed of passage by a vote of 115 (for) to 77 (opposed), thanks to Wikipedia's idiotic Minority Rules pseudo-consensus vote-counting system, which makes the American electoral college look like an exercise in democracy...
link
The numbnuts who ruled that a 60-40 landslide was a victory for the minority was MDann52 (T-C-L) .
RfB
P.S. I get WTT's recusal now. Good move, Dave.