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PROVEN: Jehochman writes articles for his clients
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Gregarious
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I've nothing against paid editing in general, but as any editing it could be clean or dirty. Below are only few examples of a very dirty payed editing. Everybody has guessed that Jehochman (T-C-L) ( Jonathan Hochman) writes articles for his clients, but up to now it has not been proven, and Jehochman has repeatedly denied it. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =577992721Now I have the evidence to demonstrate he's lying. Please see this deletion request. (the article in question has absolutely nothing to do with the current Argox article) The article discussed in the deletion request was written by Jehochman about the company named Argox-USA, which was a client of J.E.Hochman & Associates http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/12/prweb187047.htmBTW that deletion request was closed by Jehochman himself as "keep", and then he accused the initiator of AFD of "wikistalking" and vandalism http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... kistalkingHochman also spammed another article http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... d=12216492 with the link to his client website. Another example: Jehochman is associated with BroadVoice. Now he uses Wikipedia entries to discredit his business competitors. He writes BLP on Jeffrey A Citron and also adds this to Vonage (T-H-L)I could have gone on and on, I do have evidence for other articles he wrote, but I would not like to make this thread too big. I believe you've got the idea. Some of the spams and advertisement written by Jehochman for his clients were deleted, others PSC_Inc. (T-H-L) still provide "a free knowledge" or should I say "a paid advertisements"?
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Hex
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Nice find. Then, despite blocking the deletion of his article, he PRODded it himself on 21 June 2007, saying "Lack of sources, I was one of the original contributors". I wonder why, given that he had been trying to maintain the presence of its logo in the article only days earlier.  |  |  |  | History of deleted File:Argox.gif wrote: 06:45, 29 June 2007 . . BetacommandBot (talk | contribs | block) m (196 bytes) (tagging Orphaned Non-Free image see Wikipedia:Non-free content/orphans) 02:48, 20 June 2007 . . Cydebot (talk | contribs | block) m (134 bytes) (Robot - Renaming non-free template "logo" per Wikipedia:Non-free content/templates.) 14:39, 12 June 2007 . . Jehochman (talk | contribs | block) (125 bytes) (state source) [diff: removed {{no source}}, added "copied from corporate website"] 11:20, 12 June 2007 . . OsamaK (talk | contribs | block) (133 bytes) (Image is missing source information and will be deleted in seven days if it is not added.) 11:20, 12 June 2007 . . OsamaK (talk | contribs | block) (91 bytes) 13:23, 2 June 2007 . . Jehochman (talk | contribs | block) (86 bytes) (remove non-free template) 13:22, 2 June 2007 . . Jehochman (talk | contribs | block) (346 bytes) (obvious fair use) [diff: added "Corporate logo used on a page about the corporation. Obvious fair use."] 20:33, 31 May 2007 . . BetacommandBot (talk | contribs | block) (272 bytes) (tagging {{non-free use disputed}}) 20:57, 23 April 2007 . . Cydebot (talk | contribs | block) m (28 bytes) (Robot - Renaming non-free template "logo" per Wikipedia:Non-free content/templates.) 05:56, 21 August 2005 . . Jehochman (talk | contribs | block) (19 bytes) ({{logo}} Argox Logo)
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Gregarious
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Here's another find Bob's Discount Furniture is also a client of Mr. Hochman. They specify J.E. Hochman & Associates as their contact for their website. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/03/prweb213665.htm Have you yet guessed who wrote the Wikipedia article Bob's Discount Furniture (T-H-L)? Right, Mr. Hochman himself. Now, when the article is written Bob's Discount Furniture menages it himself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Co ... /BobswatchSometimes Jehochman writes articles about his friends. Doesn't look as Vanessa Fox is a notable person, but looks that she's a friend of Mr. Hochman http://www.businessinsider.com/whats-re ... seo-2011-3 So she gets her own Wikipedia entry too Vanessa Fox (T-H-L), and as long as that entry was written by a senior admin, mighty Jehochman (T-C-L) who cares that half of the links in the article are broken and another half are not reliable blogs. There's no doubt that Clay Johnson (technologist) and Mr. Hochman know each other. They were the designated speakers on the same conference http://www.web2expo.com/webexsf2009/pub ... e/speakersSo, when Clay Johnson (technologist) decided it was a time to have his own Wikipedia entry he asked Mr. Hochman for help http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =365870142 and Jehochman did. Wikipedia entry Clay Johnson (technologist) (T-H-L) was started not by Clay Johnson (technologist) but by Jehochman himself.
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Mason
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Well. Given that his userpage says " I don't edit on behalf of clients." – italics and all, no disclaimers or caveats – I feel like a bit of a sucker now for taking to heart his relentless badgering on the subject of whether I lied by omission by not disclosing my WO account. He even linked to lying by omission (T-H-L) on my talk page, for crying out loud. I guess you can't believe everything you read on a userpage.
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Cedric
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I dunno--it seems to me Jehochman is something of an expert when it comes to lying by omission. For instance, I see no link to this on his user page.
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I admit, Hochman sure had a pair of stones on him when he wrote this in an AfD:
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Gregarious
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 |  |  |  | Mason wrote: Well. Given that his userpage says " I don't edit on behalf of clients." – italics and all, no disclaimers or caveats – I feel like a bit of a sucker now for taking to heart his relentless badgering on the subject of whether I lied by omission by not disclosing my WO account. He even linked to lying by omission (T-H-L) on my talk page, for crying out loud. I guess you can't believe everything you read on a userpage. |  |  |  |  |
It is getting even better than that. Another client of Hochman Intermec got another advertisement written by him Intermec (T-H-L)The article was written in 2006 a few months after Jehochman enrolled in anti-spam project Anti-spam? Really? He also wrote articles lyrtech (T-H-L) and virtutech (T-H-L)Here's the proof that all three companies are clients of Hochman this is the link to Mr. Hochman own website. I really believe somebody should call Jehochman out and request him to resign as he did with others.
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Because a Wikipedia article that is empowering is a Wikipedia article that deserves to be written and read by the masses (just like a self-help book or a TED talk).
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thekohser
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Sorry, folks, but I'm having a hard time seeing how Hochman saying in 2013 that he doesn't edit for pay (in the present) is highly hypocritical when all of this "evidence" against him is from 2005 and 2006, with one apparent "back-scratcher" article for a friend in 2010. I find it slightly hypocritical, but not highly.
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EricBarbour
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FWIW, I didn't even try to mention all the COI he has done over the years when I wrote him up for the book wiki. Too many examples. I think this might make a passable blog post. You might also mention that Hochman has friends who work at Google. He has edited a few of the WP biographies of Google employees such as Fox. It's just a coincidence, I'm sure.  If you ever want to see examples of favoritism by WP insiders, look through Category:Google employees (T-H-L). He's been avoiding blatant SEO/paid work, partly because he almost had his ass creamed in 2007. Go ahead and ask any of the arbitrators at the time: why Hochman was removed from this case as a defendant, and it became a pure Durova witch hunt -- a pointless one, since she resigned her admin bits in the middle of it.....
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Yes, I think it could make a blog. Would you write it please?
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HRIP7
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You could collaborate with Mason, Eric. 
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Gregarious
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_________________Albert Einstein: "I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots." That day has already arrived
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DanMurphy
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Hochman is a paid editor and lies about it. This has been pretty clear for a long time. He also was a year or so ago (may still be) up to his neck in trying to control the development of paid editing guidelines. I loved this: There's something delightfully Borgesian about using websites that exist exclusively to promote SEO as reliable sources for Wikipedia articles.
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And this is just classic from Jehochman's RFA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia% ... FJehochmanWhat a lair!
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EricBarbour
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Sorry, no time this week. Mason, or anyone else, is welcome to give it a try. Anyone willing to do it is invited to email me, and I will send a copy of the book wiki article about Hochman. Don't forget to mention the Google employees getting "special Wiki love".
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Gregarious
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But what Jehochman has to do with the Google employees?
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Bielle
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An IP has already snatched the topic and taken it to Jimbo's talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk ... nior_admin
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fixed link
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thekohser
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I found this Jimbo-esque half-truth (quarter-truth?) of Hochman's rather amusing: February 20, 2006: Oh, really? April 12, 2005: Since Hochman quickly deleted that from his Talk page, I guess he felt that being warned for using Wikipedia "for advertising" isn't at all the same of being "warned for spam". I don't know if Hochman has reformed himself, but I recall him being a real weasel back then. There was one time where he insinuated that I was using an online screen name called "Durovawatch", when I wasn't. There was another time where a corporate user account from the Orbitz company was blocked, and I pointed out by e-mail to Hochman that I thought it was handled in a rude manner. His reaction was to quickly go to Wikipedia and say: "I have reason to believe this <Orbitz> user is acting in concert with banned user User:MyWikiBiz. ...I have information that is not public. MyWikiBiz has a keen interest in this affair." I had absolutely no personal or commercial interest in the Orbitz account, other than I happened to be a run-of-the-mill Orbitz customer. So, I called up Hochman that day, and we began a delightfully friendly conversation. But when I get to this Orbitz matter, though, about how he has "information that is not public", he IMMEDIATELY said, "Do you want me to delete that? I can delete that, because I have no interest in embarrassing you publicly." That was late October 2007, so in my judgment, he was still acting like a worm then.
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HRIP7
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This matter is now the topic of our current blog post. There is also a forum thread for discussing the blog post here.
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Of course, he grabs the tools whenever he sees signs of one of those "banned editors" he's so fond of.
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enwikibadscience
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He is very active at using his tools very little.
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He's fundamentally a bully.
He likes to use the threat of the tools perhaps even more than the actual blocking.
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Ah this is one of those lovely ‘heaven and hell’ articles that fascinate our JN466. An IP, the one who seems to know Mr Hochman, creates this splendid article with his help.  |  |  |  | Quote: Ugo Colombo is a Miami residential and commercial real estate developer. Colombo was born in Milan, Italy, on March 2, 1961. His father owned a thermochemical plastics company. Mr. Colombo came to the United States in 1983. His real estate career began while he was studying at the University of Miami. Mr. Colombo's real estate career began when he acquired and resold a group of foreclosed units from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. at the Imperial and Villa Regina condominium towers ([1]). Mr. Colombo then formed his company, CMC Group, and focused on the design and construction of high-rise luxury condominium buildings on Brickell Avenue, Miami Beach and Aventura. Mr. Colombo has developed two residential towers on the Miami skyline - Bristol Tower and Santa Maria on Brickell Avenue - both of which helped redefine the condominium market in South Florida. He also played a significant role in the rejuvenation of Miami Beach’s South Beach community by redeveloping two of Ocean Drive’s most important Art Deco hotels: the Waldorf and Casa Grande. In partnership with Portman Holdings, Colombo’s CMC Group is one of two groups vying to redevelop Miami Beach’s aging convention center complex [2] In Aventura in North Miami-Dade County, Mr. Colombo participated in a joint venture to create the ultimate in country club living, Porto Vita, a Mediterranean-style village located along the Intracoastal Waterway. Mr. Colombo’s most recent developments include Epic Residences and Hotel, a 55-story luxury condominium and hotel at the mouth of the Miami River in downtown Miami, and Grovenor House, a 166-unit luxury condominium project completed in 2006 in the heart of Miami’s Coconut Grove community. In 1994, Mr. Colombo acquired The Collection, a seven-franchise luxury automotive dealership (Jaguar, Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati, Aston Martin, Audi and McLaren). Colombo bought The Collection after it had been seized by the U.S. government as part of a drug prosecution. Racing Buddy Bids for Car Dealership, Miami Herald, May 6, 1994</ref> Today, The Collection is ranked as one of the top-performing luxury car dealerships in the United States. In 2002, CMC Group completed a 750,000-square-foot mixed-use office/retail development in Coral Gables to house The Collection and third-party office and retail tenants. In addition to The Collection, 4000 Ponce offers 150,000 square feet of Class A office space and 32,000 square feet of ground-level retail space. Also in 2002, Mr. Colombo formed Glasswall LLC, a Miami window-manufacturing company, to supply impact-resistant window systems for high-rise condominiums and other commercial properties. Glasswall has developed a number of window systems that exceed Miami-Dade County’s stringent code requirements and are approved for new projects throughout Florida. Glasswall recently has supplied windows for projects in Aventura, Coral Gables, Miami Beach, Coconut Grove and Miami. Mr. Colombo and his wife, Sara, live in Miami Beach. They support a variety of charitable causes in South Florida. 19:39, 28 January 2013 |  |  |  |  |
I love the bit about ‘variety of charitable causes’. This is like a Tshirt saying ‘I am a saint’, except it’s on the world’s favourite website. Then before you can say ‘revenge editing’, we get this nasty poisonous edit. An extra barnstar for positioning it just before the bit about charitable causes. Crowdsourcing at its best.
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Peter Damian
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Oh and this later edit is beautiful. Changes “In June 2012 Columbo and CMC Group were suspected of engaging in illegal business practices while bidding on overhauling the Miami Beach Convention Centre” to “In June 2012 Columbo and CMC Group were cleared of any wrongdoing by state authorities in a public corruption investigation involving the city of Miami Beach”. Always improving.
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And Jehochman did not like the questions about Ugo Colombo. As a matter of fact he did not like it so much that he forgot to complain about "banned editor" and even invited "banned editor" to continue the discussion on his own talk http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =593759663 He even started the discussion on his own talk
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Another article Jehochman is involved with is I Can Read! (T-H-L)Honestly I am not sure what to make of it ( does not look like a notable enough for Wikipedia's entry ) but I run a wikistalk on Jehochman and another contributor to this article: Shortride (T-C-L)Here's what I gotNot sure it worth looking at.
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HRIP7
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Someone on Jimmy Wales' talk page links to the discussion with Jehochman at http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/013098.html and says, The bit he's quoting from is this (from 2007):
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enwikibadscience
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Lol, yes, transparency deletion!
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