You forgot to provide a photo of her. There's one on plus.google.com.thekohser wrote:Bite also provided Jimbo with his personal assistant, Sierra Lovelace (Warner), who is now with Google.
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I thought we decided that such documentation would be prurient, lurid, unseemly, stalkerish, distasteful, reprehensible, creepy, and shooting ourselves in the foot? What point is served if the reader is made more aware (visually) that Jimbo's personal assistants have sometimes been quite young, highly attractive females? Isn't it simply enough to inform the reader of professional qualifications, and nothing more? You don't feel that you'd be better informed with photos of Lovelace from the Delta Gamma "Anchor Splash" event from her college days, right? I certainly wouldn't enable that sort of thing!Poetlister wrote:You forgot to provide a photo of her. There's one on plus.google.com.thekohser wrote:Bite also provided Jimbo with his personal assistant, Sierra Lovelace (Warner), who is now with Google.
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Just take a glance at The WikiProject Universities talk page (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =644487617) ElKevbo (T-C-L) has been fighting over-reaching COI for almost a decade.Poetlister wrote:Actually, some of the worst COI editors are those writing about their old schools, but nobody seems to mind them.
NYUTAX (T-C-L) added material from the New York University School of Law (T-H-L) website to describe their LLM in Taxation program. (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... on=history)
Furman Center for Real Estate and Urban Policy (T-C-L) added an external link to that NYU Law School center. (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... d=79044855) and created the article Furman Center for Real Estate and Urban Policy (T-H-L)
Behack (T-C-L)'s primary focus has been Columbia Law School (T-H-L)
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Really?!?
That's the best you got? A handful of edits since 2007, only two this decade — mixing in other random topics?
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I didn't see any claim by Eagle that that was the best he had, but you're free to imagine your own personal strawmen all you want, Randy.Randy from Boise wrote:Really?!?
That's the best you got?
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I was thinking of schools (i.e. up to 18 year sold) rather than universities. Is there a WikiProject Schools?eagle wrote:Just take a glance at The WikiProject Universities talk page
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If there is, Demiurge1000 is probably the headmaster...Poetlister wrote:I was thinking of schools (i.e. up to 18 year sold) rather than universities. Is there a WikiProject Schools?eagle wrote:Just take a glance at The WikiProject Universities talk page
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools (T-H-L) is actually kind of huge, and I think most of the members are pretty much navel-gazers out to create the articles on every school they ever attended, with particular attention to themselves and anything they may have ever done there, or, some legitimate editors who in the beginning wanted to make sure that the articles didn't become too much of puff pieces. Unfortunately, most schools would meet general notability guidelines, and as indicated there is a real problem of editors wanting to built memorials to themselves and their friends and family in them.Poetlister wrote:I was thinking of schools (i.e. up to 18 year sold) rather than universities. Is there a WikiProject Schools?eagle wrote:Just take a glance at The WikiProject Universities talk page
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There are actually some pretty exacting rules of thumb about schools.JCM wrote:Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools (T-H-L) is actually kind of huge, and I think most of the members are pretty much navel-gazers out to create the articles on every school they ever attended, with particular attention to themselves and anything they may have ever done there, or, some legitimate editors who in the beginning wanted to make sure that the articles didn't become too much of puff pieces. Unfortunately, most schools would meet general notability guidelines, and as indicated there is a real problem of editors wanting to built memorials to themselves and their friends and family in them.Poetlister wrote:I was thinking of schools (i.e. up to 18 year sold) rather than universities. Is there a WikiProject Schools?eagle wrote:Just take a glance at The WikiProject Universities talk page
* High schools are presumed notable if their existence can be demonstrated. (Akin to populated places, mountains, rivers, highways, etc.)
* Elementary and junior high schools are presumed non-notable unless their particular and special importance can be successfully argued. These are redirected to the school district of which they are a part.
Just counting sources for GNG doesn't cut it in the case of schools — it's a special low bar for secondary schools and a special high bar for elementary schools that has evolved at Articles for Deletion, not formally defined in the guidelines.
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I think those rules were probably primarily developed by that project itself and the more reasonable editors there who didn't want to see other editors trace their entire academic career path in whole series of articles. The guidelines they've developed make sense, In that regard, it may have actually made itself one of the more useful and productive projects out there. If only the groups dealing with Pseudoscience and some of the babble associated with it were to be as effective.Randy from Boise wrote:There are actually some pretty exacting rules of thumb about schools.JCM wrote:Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools (T-H-L) is actually kind of huge, and I think most of the members are pretty much navel-gazers out to create the articles on every school they ever attended, with particular attention to themselves and anything they may have ever done there, or, some legitimate editors who in the beginning wanted to make sure that the articles didn't become too much of puff pieces. Unfortunately, most schools would meet general notability guidelines, and as indicated there is a real problem of editors wanting to built memorials to themselves and their friends and family in them.Poetlister wrote:I was thinking of schools (i.e. up to 18 year sold) rather than universities. Is there a WikiProject Schools?eagle wrote:Just take a glance at The WikiProject Universities talk page
* High schools are presumed notable if their existence can be demonstrated. (Akin to populated places, mountains, rivers, highways, etc.)
* Elementary and junior high schools are presumed non-notable unless their particular and special importance can be successfully argued. These are redirected to the school district of which they are a part.
Just counting sources for GNG doesn't cut it in the case of schools — it's a special low bar for secondary schools and a special high bar for elementary schools that has evolved at Articles for Deletion, not formally defined in the guidelines.
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Even Springfield Elementary School does not have its own Wikipedia article, despite it being much more notable (albeit one that is fictional) than the vast majority of real world high schools.
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I wish I had written down my "experiment," but a few months ago, I randomly checked several university Wikipedia pages. Some had substantial edits by certain accounts that had an obvious COI (i.e. university marketing heads etc.). A few even used their real names! You may have to dig deep into the article history to find them, though.Poetlister wrote:I was thinking of schools (i.e. up to 18 year sold) rather than universities. Is there a WikiProject Schools?eagle wrote:Just take a glance at The WikiProject Universities talk page
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Just remember, if I punch a guy in the face it's assault and battery; if I punch him several times, it's aggravated assault; if I come up with a theory about what punching him will do, punch him a number of times, write down the time and effects in a notebook, and make a chart - it's science. We want science.The Joy wrote:I wish I had written down my "experiment," but a few months ago, I randomly checked several university Wikipedia pages. Some had substantial edits by certain accounts that had an obvious COI (i.e. university marketing heads etc.). A few even used their real names! You may have to dig deep into the article history to find them, though.Poetlister wrote:I was thinking of schools (i.e. up to 18 year sold) rather than universities. Is there a WikiProject Schools?eagle wrote:Just take a glance at The WikiProject Universities talk page
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There are lies, damn lies and Wikipedia articles.Zoloft wrote:Just remember, if I punch a guy in the face it's assault and battery; if I punch him several times, it's aggravated assault; if I come up with a theory about what punching him will do, punch him a number of times, write down the time and effects in a notebook, and make a chart - it's science. We want science.
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Yes.eagle wrote:There are lies, damn lies and Wikipedia articles.
There are lies, damn lies and Wikipedia articles.
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SB_Johnny wrote:Yes.eagle wrote:There are lies, damn lies and Wikipedia articles.
There are lies, damn lies and Wikipedia articles.
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I've been sitting on this one for years.
Venndiagram8 (T-C-L)
She's a NYC-based social media strategist and content generator. I won't give her real name here, out of respect for concerns that Wikipediocracy is unnecessarily a "doxxing" site. But, I'll make this claim... If at least several of her major article contributions to Wikipedia were not in exchange for payment and undisclosed, I'll make a $50 donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. And the most recent big one, POBA - Where the Arts Live (T-H-L), was done without any disclosure of a conflict of interest, so what are we to conclude? That she just popped into Wikipedia after a month off, to create a fancy article from scratch? WP:AGF tells us that is what we should assume.
But I have evidence that says otherwise.
This is the problem with Wikipedia's Terms of Use regarding disclosure of paid editing. Anyone can get away with disobeying it, deny that they ever knew about the policy, and anyone who "outs" them looks like a bad guy, which I admit, that is how I look right now.
Venndiagram8 (T-C-L)
She's a NYC-based social media strategist and content generator. I won't give her real name here, out of respect for concerns that Wikipediocracy is unnecessarily a "doxxing" site. But, I'll make this claim... If at least several of her major article contributions to Wikipedia were not in exchange for payment and undisclosed, I'll make a $50 donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. And the most recent big one, POBA - Where the Arts Live (T-H-L), was done without any disclosure of a conflict of interest, so what are we to conclude? That she just popped into Wikipedia after a month off, to create a fancy article from scratch? WP:AGF tells us that is what we should assume.
But I have evidence that says otherwise.
This is the problem with Wikipedia's Terms of Use regarding disclosure of paid editing. Anyone can get away with disobeying it, deny that they ever knew about the policy, and anyone who "outs" them looks like a bad guy, which I admit, that is how I look right now.
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Is interesting that she didn't just come up with a new name, rather than renaming another social media account.thekohser wrote:I've been sitting on this one for years.
Venndiagram8 (T-C-L)
She's a NYC-based social media strategist and content generator. I won't give her real name here, out of respect for concerns that Wikipediocracy is unnecessarily a "doxxing" site. But, I'll make this claim... If at least several of her major article contributions to Wikipedia were not in exchange for payment and undisclosed, I'll make a $50 donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. And the most recent big one, POBA - Where the Arts Live (T-H-L), was done without any disclosure of a conflict of interest, so what are we to conclude? That she just popped into Wikipedia after a month off, to create a fancy article from scratch? WP:AGF tells us that is what we should assume.
But I have evidence that says otherwise.
This is the problem with Wikipedia's Terms of Use regarding disclosure of paid editing. Anyone can get away with disobeying it, deny that they ever knew about the policy, and anyone who "outs" them looks like a bad guy, which I admit, that is how I look right now.
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Re: Obvious paid editors are obvious
Wikipedia user TUNdiscounts (T-C-L) creates the Wikipedia article The University Network (TUN) (T-H-L) at Articles for creation, where it is accepted and transferred into article space by Graeme Bartlett (T-C-L). I can see no disclosure in TUNdiscounts' edit history – not on their user page (non-existent), nor in an edit summary, nor in a talk page comment.
The Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use have really made a difference, haven't they?
The Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use have really made a difference, haven't they?
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And that corporate User name! Is Orangemike taking a nap, or something?HRIP7 wrote:Wikipedia user TUNdiscounts (T-C-L) creates the Wikipedia article The University Network (TUN) (T-H-L) at Articles for creation, where it is accepted and transferred into article space by Graeme Bartlett (T-C-L). I can see no disclosure in TUNdiscounts' edit history – not on their user page (non-existent), nor in an edit summary, nor in a talk page comment.
The Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use have really made a difference, haven't they?
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The article is up for deletion.HRIP7 wrote:Wikipedia user TUNdiscounts (T-C-L) creates the Wikipedia article The University Network (TUN) (T-H-L) at Articles for creation, where it is accepted and transferred into article space by Graeme Bartlett (T-C-L). I can see no disclosure in TUNdiscounts' edit history – not on their user page (non-existent), nor in an edit summary, nor in a talk page comment.
The Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use have really made a difference, haven't they?
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From a friend:
> MacKeeper is worse than a dose of clap. It follows you around the Internet appearing without warning. Note the comments on MacUpdate:
> http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/33710/mackeeper
If it's so evil, why does Macupdate keep it on their servers?
And why don't these "customers" look at the wonderful, magical Wikipedia?
MacKeeper (T-H-L)
Created in 2012 by QuentinAdam (T-C-L), who is almost certainly a paid editor for ZeoBit.
Later edited by Jeremiah2012 (T-C-L), almost certainly another paid editor for ZeoBit.
People added material about MacKeeper's malware tendencies, and he kept removing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =513854652
Thence edited by Labattblueboy (T-C-L), who fought with Jeremiah2012 over any statements of a negative nature. By 2013 MacKeeper's true nature was unavoidable. Jeremiah gave up in mid-2013, and Labattblueboy was left "in charge" of the article. And it became more and more negative. Occasional "questionable accounts" popped up thru 2014 and attempted to remove the "Reviews", Labattblueboy reverted them. Occasionally someone would add more negative statements to the article, yet Labattblueboy would usually revert them as well, claiming "not reliable sources" (they usually linked to a discussion on the Apple forum which warned people away from MacKeeper).
They call that WP:OWN, I think.
> MacKeeper is worse than a dose of clap. It follows you around the Internet appearing without warning. Note the comments on MacUpdate:
> http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/33710/mackeeper
If it's so evil, why does Macupdate keep it on their servers?
And why don't these "customers" look at the wonderful, magical Wikipedia?
MacKeeper (T-H-L)
Created in 2012 by QuentinAdam (T-C-L), who is almost certainly a paid editor for ZeoBit.
Later edited by Jeremiah2012 (T-C-L), almost certainly another paid editor for ZeoBit.
People added material about MacKeeper's malware tendencies, and he kept removing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =513854652
Thence edited by Labattblueboy (T-C-L), who fought with Jeremiah2012 over any statements of a negative nature. By 2013 MacKeeper's true nature was unavoidable. Jeremiah gave up in mid-2013, and Labattblueboy was left "in charge" of the article. And it became more and more negative. Occasional "questionable accounts" popped up thru 2014 and attempted to remove the "Reviews", Labattblueboy reverted them. Occasionally someone would add more negative statements to the article, yet Labattblueboy would usually revert them as well, claiming "not reliable sources" (they usually linked to a discussion on the Apple forum which warned people away from MacKeeper).
They call that WP:OWN, I think.
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Obrienmedia301 (T-C-L)
Likely COI: Probably Patrick O'Brien, owner of O'Brien Media and Digital Director for FOX 11 KTTV-TV in Los Angeles. He used to live in the 301 area code, about the time the Wikipedia account was created.
Disclosure: None
Unity of focus: Appears to be about 90% related to KTTV programming
Ever warned on Talk page: A couple of image rights warnings
Blocked: No
Reason I discovered this guy, who seems like a nice fellow, is that he uploaded a professional photo of Maria Sansone (T-H-L), which replaced a photo that Jimbo had personally removed (without explanation) from her biography way back when.
Likely COI: Probably Patrick O'Brien, owner of O'Brien Media and Digital Director for FOX 11 KTTV-TV in Los Angeles. He used to live in the 301 area code, about the time the Wikipedia account was created.
Disclosure: None
Unity of focus: Appears to be about 90% related to KTTV programming
Ever warned on Talk page: A couple of image rights warnings
Blocked: No
Reason I discovered this guy, who seems like a nice fellow, is that he uploaded a professional photo of Maria Sansone (T-H-L), which replaced a photo that Jimbo had personally removed (without explanation) from her biography way back when.
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Ddosguru (T-C-L)
He is Jeffrey Lyon, DDoS mitigation guru.
Disclosure: None
Unity of focus: Around 95%
Ever warned: No
He created the article about the company he founded, Black Lotus (company) (T-H-L), and "Removes promotional content" from a competing company's article, Cloudflare.
Information forwarded to me by a friend.
He is Jeffrey Lyon, DDoS mitigation guru.
Disclosure: None
Unity of focus: Around 95%
Ever warned: No
He created the article about the company he founded, Black Lotus (company) (T-H-L), and "Removes promotional content" from a competing company's article, Cloudflare.
Information forwarded to me by a friend.
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tarantino wrote:He created the article about the company he founded, Black Lotus (company) (T-H-L)
He's a great writer.It's major competitors include Prolexic and Verisign.
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Jimbo's working to help out Vivek Wadhwa now, by removing huge chunks of criticism of Wadhwa, under the rationale that "it hardly seems worth mentioning".thekohser wrote:That being said, the section on Public relations is not kind to the enterprise.EricBarbour wrote:Bleacher Report (T-H-L)
Looks like it was written by software, doesn't it? Rigidly formatted, mechanistic, question-and-answer.
Interesting that Vivek Wadhwa was cited as one of Bleacher Report's worst critics. I wonder if he is related to Kul Wadhwa, head of mobile services at the WMF. They both list San Francisco as their locales, and they are linked to each other on Google+. It looks like Vivek could be Kul's older brother.
Somebody cue Barbra Streisand.
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New user Vaqab (T-C-L), who's made 115 edits in a little more than one day since their account was created, has made nine edits to that bio. They also created Amelia Greenhall (T-H-L) with their second edit. Half of that bio is about Greenhall's criticism of Wadhwa.thekohser wrote: Jimbo's working to help out Vivek Wadhwa now, by removing huge chunks of criticism of Wadhwa, under the rationale that "it hardly seems worth mentioning".
Somebody cue Barbra Streisand.
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Which Mr. Cole removed shortly after you posted it.
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RichFaces (T-H-L), about some enterprise software doohickey made by JBoss (company) (T-H-L), part of Red Hat, Inc. (T-H-L). Created in June 2008 by MikeVSorokin (T-C-L). Could he be a JBoss developer, by any chance, do we guess? Why yes, we guessed correctly.
I didn't look very far into the history of the JBoss article, beyond noticing a large addition of text from
66.187.233.207 (T-C-L). It should surprise nobody to learn that that IP belongs to Red Hat, Inc..
No warnings about conflicts of interest on his user talk page, just automated notifications about the images he uploaded to accompany the article not having the correct copyright tags.Someone on the JBoss Developer RichFaces bug tracker wrote: It'll be good to write some overview article on Wikipedia, richfaces.ru and etc. about RF
I didn't look very far into the history of the JBoss article, beyond noticing a large addition of text from
66.187.233.207 (T-C-L). It should surprise nobody to learn that that IP belongs to Red Hat, Inc..
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From Wikipedia's RichFaces article:
Also from Wikipedia:Ajax filter - In order get all benefits of RichFaces, a developer should register a filter in the web.xml file of the application. The filter recognizes multiple request types.
I'm glad we cleared that up.Wikipedia is an encyclopedic reference, not an instruction manual, guidebook, or textbook. Wikipedia articles should not read like:
Instruction manuals. While Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places and things, an article should not read like a "how-to" style owner's manual, advice column (legal, medical or otherwise) or suggestion box. This includes tutorials, instruction manuals, game guides, and recipes. Describing to the reader how people or things use or do something is encyclopedic; instructing the reader in the imperative mood about how to use or do something is not.[4]
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This user doesn't look suspicious at all.
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Re: Obvious paid editors are obvious
Looks like Ms. Garner is lying in wait to help out Jimbo with his whitewashing of Wadhwa - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =648399192. Not a substantial contribution, but enough to tip her hand.
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Well, if we're quoting Wikipediathekohser wrote:Also from Wikipedia:I'm glad we cleared that up.Wikipedia is an encyclopedic reference, not an instruction manual, guidebook, or textbook. Wikipedia articles should not read like:
Instruction manuals. While Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places and things, an article should not read like a "how-to" style owner's manual, advice column (legal, medical or otherwise) or suggestion box. This includes tutorials, instruction manuals, game guides, and recipes. Describing to the reader how people or things use or do something is encyclopedic; instructing the reader in the imperative mood about how to use or do something is not.[4]
I hope we're now clear about Wikipedia's stance on whether encyclopaedias contain recipes.Larousse Gastronomique (pronounced: [la.ʁus ɡas.tʁɔ.nɔ.mik]) is an encyclopedia of gastronomy. The majority of the book is about French cuisine, and contains recipes for French dishes and cooking techniques. The first edition included few non-French dishes and ingredients; later editions include many more.
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Completely unrelated (Assume Good Faith!):
Linkedin profile of Bianca Violante: "Social Media and Corporate Communications at DaVita,"
Biavio (T-C-L): " Hi there. biavio is Bianca Violante, a Maryland-born gal who attended college in West Virginia and moved to Colorado in 2010. biavio is Bianca's handle on many of her social media accounts, including Twitter and Instagram."
Wikipedia article: DaVita (T-H-L) (tagged since nov, 2013: "This article appears to be written like an advertisement")
Main contributor: Biavio (T-C-L) (The "DaVita"-article is the only one she has edited.)
Linkedin profile of Bianca Violante: "Social Media and Corporate Communications at DaVita,"
Biavio (T-C-L): " Hi there. biavio is Bianca Violante, a Maryland-born gal who attended college in West Virginia and moved to Colorado in 2010. biavio is Bianca's handle on many of her social media accounts, including Twitter and Instagram."
Wikipedia article: DaVita (T-H-L) (tagged since nov, 2013: "This article appears to be written like an advertisement")
Main contributor: Biavio (T-C-L) (The "DaVita"-article is the only one she has edited.)
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If you start harassing editors like Bianca, how do you ever expect the WMF to overcome that gender gap problem? In other words, why do you hate Sue Gardner so much?The Adversary wrote:Stuff about Bianca...
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Why do you hate Jimbo so much, he´s a man, isn´t he? Don´t you feel any solidarity??thekohser wrote:If you start harassing editors like Bianca, how do you ever expect the WMF to overcome that gender gap problem? In other words, why do you hate Sue Gardner so much?The Adversary wrote:Stuff about Bianca...
I looked into the above due to this thread: I wanted to see if one editor mentioned there, Rosiestep (T-C-L), had a COI.
She didn´t. (She also works for DaVita). But looking into DaVita-history, I found Bianca.
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Turning over rocks, you never quite know what you'll find.The Adversary wrote:Why do you hate Jimbo so much, he´s a man, isn´t he? Don´t you feel any solidarity??thekohser wrote:If you start harassing editors like Bianca, how do you ever expect the WMF to overcome that gender gap problem? In other words, why do you hate Sue Gardner so much?The Adversary wrote:Stuff about Bianca...
I looked into the above due to this thread: I wanted to see if one editor mentioned there, Rosiestep (T-C-L), had a COI.
She didn´t. (She also works for DaVita). But looking into DaVita-history, I found Bianca.
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In the news for the past few days, Comcast is thinking about a deal with VisibleWorld (T-H-L). If you've never heard of VisibleWorld, then Wikipedia is where you'd go to find out more, right?
Article created in 2006 by Rmain (T-C-L). If that's not an employee of a PR firm, I will eat my hat. He's basically only ever edited Wikipedia at length about VisibleWorld, various brands of hand sanitizer, Frais Luxury Products, Home Shopping Network host Vonabell Sherman, and Fred Hollows Reserve.
Then there's heavy SPA editor, Joemcgurkwiki (T-C-L), active in August 2011 -- that's when Joe McGurk was a VP at Rubenstein Public Relations, which was VisibleWorld's PR firm at the time.
And just last October 2014 (months after the "Terms of Use" prohibition on undisclosed paid editing), we saw RebeccaRVW (T-C-L) working on VisibleWorld. Yes, you may assume that the "VW" doesn't stand for Volkswagen, if that happens to be Rebecca Rozakis. But don't worry, Rozakis doesn't work for VisibleWorld any more -- she works for Kaltura. Remember them, old timers?
Article created in 2006 by Rmain (T-C-L). If that's not an employee of a PR firm, I will eat my hat. He's basically only ever edited Wikipedia at length about VisibleWorld, various brands of hand sanitizer, Frais Luxury Products, Home Shopping Network host Vonabell Sherman, and Fred Hollows Reserve.
Then there's heavy SPA editor, Joemcgurkwiki (T-C-L), active in August 2011 -- that's when Joe McGurk was a VP at Rubenstein Public Relations, which was VisibleWorld's PR firm at the time.
And just last October 2014 (months after the "Terms of Use" prohibition on undisclosed paid editing), we saw RebeccaRVW (T-C-L) working on VisibleWorld. Yes, you may assume that the "VW" doesn't stand for Volkswagen, if that happens to be Rebecca Rozakis. But don't worry, Rozakis doesn't work for VisibleWorld any more -- she works for Kaltura. Remember them, old timers?
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About to have a conversation with a consulting firm, whose Wikipedia articles about the company and about its CEO seem to have been written by an employee or a PR contractor.
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One organization currently waging a policy assault against my employer is Free Press (organization) (T-H-L). Of course I am therefore biased, so dismiss this if you wish. But, anyone could count the obvious paid editors and/or single-purpose accounts at work on their Wikipedia article.
70.21.127.178 (T-C-L) - IP address near the organization headquarters
Youshouldask (T-C-L) - Not sure, but is probably CTSI employee Marly Hazen McQuillen who attended a Free Press conference shortly before contributing to Wikipedia's article about it (and her undergraduate school, and her employer). She copy-pasted a substantial portion of copyrighted material from Save The Internet to Wikipedia.
Petercarey (T-C-L) - SPA
173.52.79.24 (T-C-L) - SPA
Hshapirofp (T-C-L) - SPA, note "fp" in user name
Psaxfp (T-C-L) - SPA, note "fp" in user name
24.5.230.26 (T-C-L) - SPA
WilsonComm (T-C-L) - Mentored by Neelix (T-C-L) (David Mark Purdy) through the Public Policy Initiative, funded by our friends at the Stanton Foundation.
Mcclel71 (T-C-L) - Another Public Policy Initiative editor
Banksbr2 (T-C-L) - Another Public Policy Initiative editor
Celinejesse (T-C-L) - SPA
Hcshapiro (T-C-L) - SPA, not to be confused with Hshapirofp
Esmerelda14 (T-C-L) - SPA
RobynZee (T-C-L) - SPA
Matilda16 (T-C-L) - SPA
Coriander12 (T-C-L) - SPA
70.21.127.178 (T-C-L) - IP address near the organization headquarters
Youshouldask (T-C-L) - Not sure, but is probably CTSI employee Marly Hazen McQuillen who attended a Free Press conference shortly before contributing to Wikipedia's article about it (and her undergraduate school, and her employer). She copy-pasted a substantial portion of copyrighted material from Save The Internet to Wikipedia.
Petercarey (T-C-L) - SPA
173.52.79.24 (T-C-L) - SPA
Hshapirofp (T-C-L) - SPA, note "fp" in user name
Psaxfp (T-C-L) - SPA, note "fp" in user name
24.5.230.26 (T-C-L) - SPA
WilsonComm (T-C-L) - Mentored by Neelix (T-C-L) (David Mark Purdy) through the Public Policy Initiative, funded by our friends at the Stanton Foundation.
Mcclel71 (T-C-L) - Another Public Policy Initiative editor
Banksbr2 (T-C-L) - Another Public Policy Initiative editor
Celinejesse (T-C-L) - SPA
Hcshapiro (T-C-L) - SPA, not to be confused with Hshapirofp
Esmerelda14 (T-C-L) - SPA
RobynZee (T-C-L) - SPA
Matilda16 (T-C-L) - SPA
Coriander12 (T-C-L) - SPA
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If you have a really difficult subject like Network Functions Virtualization (T-H-L), would you want an expert writing it, or someone like Fram or David Gerard or me writing it?
Personally, I'd want an expert. So, it's a good thing that SPA Ckolias (T-C-L) (Christos Kolis) launched the Wikipedia article. And it's being helped along by SPAs Ggaron (T-C-L) (CEO of ASOCS (T-H-L)), Thewiggler235 (T-C-L), and Sardella26 (T-C-L) (technology marketing pro, Alan Sardella).
Anyone who says that these experts should stay away from that article, just because their careers may be enhanced by expanding content about NFV, is quite foolish, if you ask me. (I'm looking at you, Jimbo.)
Personally, I'd want an expert. So, it's a good thing that SPA Ckolias (T-C-L) (Christos Kolis) launched the Wikipedia article. And it's being helped along by SPAs Ggaron (T-C-L) (CEO of ASOCS (T-H-L)), Thewiggler235 (T-C-L), and Sardella26 (T-C-L) (technology marketing pro, Alan Sardella).
Anyone who says that these experts should stay away from that article, just because their careers may be enhanced by expanding content about NFV, is quite foolish, if you ask me. (I'm looking at you, Jimbo.)
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According to his talk page, Ggaron tried and failed to create an article "Accelerated System On Chip Solutions - ASOCS Ltd."; a blatant attempt at COI editing has been foiled and Wikipedia has not been damaged. Hurrah!
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Well, sure... that was May 2013. Then in June 2013, he (probably) hired a paid editor to create ASOCS (T-H-L) instead. I mean, if you look at Wikpoint (T-C-L)'s contributions, he pretty much fiddles here and there, then goes super-intense on GetTaxi (T-H-L), Moshe Revach (T-H-L), and ASOCS (T-H-L), with months of down time in between!Poetlister wrote:According to his talk page, Ggaron tried and failed to create an article "Accelerated System On Chip Solutions - ASOCS Ltd."; a blatant attempt at COI editing has been foiled and Wikipedia has not been damaged. Hurrah!
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If he was paid for Moshe Revach (T-H-L), it's a very sloppy job. All he needed to do was lift the article from the Hebrew Wikipedia. I'd say he's just an intermittent enthusiast.
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Have you ever seen the Freelancer and eLance profiles of some paid Wikipedia editors?Poetlister wrote:...it's a very sloppy job.
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Came across a guy today (Austin Texas-based Republican campaign operative working for Netanyahu on the Israeli election).
Vincent Harris (political strategist) (T-H-L). Reads like a bio from his website and that's because that's what it is.
Righty 2012 (T-C-L) started it in 2011. Righty has only edited this article.
Was polished a bit by LibandJustice (T-C-L) who was blocked in 2014 for being a shared account of Blakemore & Associates, another conservative political consultancy group in Texas
Latest edit was by ATXdigital (T-C-L), adding an "own work" picture of Harris at his office. The account's second of two edits total to Wikipedia.
Other recent polishers include VictoryStatus2014 (T-H-L) (all edits to the Harris article but for this one requesting help with plagiarism in a draft article on Blakemore & Associates' founder) and WinningIn2016! (T-C-L) (only edit to the article). Etc...
The article is very positive and I'm sure it is useful for Mr. Harris' business. It has 25 "references." It does not mention Harris' comments on Wikipedia this January.
Vincent Harris (political strategist) (T-H-L). Reads like a bio from his website and that's because that's what it is.
Righty 2012 (T-C-L) started it in 2011. Righty has only edited this article.
Was polished a bit by LibandJustice (T-C-L) who was blocked in 2014 for being a shared account of Blakemore & Associates, another conservative political consultancy group in Texas
Latest edit was by ATXdigital (T-C-L), adding an "own work" picture of Harris at his office. The account's second of two edits total to Wikipedia.
Other recent polishers include VictoryStatus2014 (T-H-L) (all edits to the Harris article but for this one requesting help with plagiarism in a draft article on Blakemore & Associates' founder) and WinningIn2016! (T-C-L) (only edit to the article). Etc...
The article is very positive and I'm sure it is useful for Mr. Harris' business. It has 25 "references." It does not mention Harris' comments on Wikipedia this January.
So stealthy!Wiki errors can linger, GOP digital campaign guru Vincent Harris said, because politicians and their staffers are “fix-shy.” Folks in and around D.C. are “cautious to a fault,” said Harris, whose Austin-based firm was poached in November by Paul’s operation after he came to prominence by helping Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, win his dark-horse Senate primary in 2012. Politicians tend to want staffers, when they spot Wikipedia errors, to “get it fixed now. The issue, of course, is that changes have to be made by someone with credentials in the community and who isn't simply a mouthpiece for the specific individual or brand. So it's very tricky, but very important. Wikipedia is commonly a top 10 referrer of traffic to my client sites.”
... There are workarounds that can escape prying watchdog eyes. “I personally have accounts that we manage that are active in the [Wikipedia] community that we make changes with,” Harris said. Such stealth ways “are used a lot.”
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Speaking of yoga, ever heard of Professor DeRose (T-H-L)? No, me neither. He invented something called the "DeRose Method". Don't expect to find out what that actually is, because the title redirects back to this article. But it does, helpfully, link directly to the Amazon page for an ebook about it, by the esteemed "Professor" himself. How handy!
The "DeRose Method" is actually called SwáSthya Yôga (T-H-L). Both articles were heavily edited by 86.139.208.231 (T-C-L), aka DeRose London (T-C-L) and, briefly, Derosemethod (T-C-L). In 2010 someone put it up for deletion. The result was DeRose disciples turning up to defend the article on their master - see Talk:Master DeRose (T-H-L) and Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/Master DeRose (T-H-L).
The "DeRose Method" is actually called SwáSthya Yôga (T-H-L). Both articles were heavily edited by 86.139.208.231 (T-C-L), aka DeRose London (T-C-L) and, briefly, Derosemethod (T-C-L). In 2010 someone put it up for deletion. The result was DeRose disciples turning up to defend the article on their master - see Talk:Master DeRose (T-H-L) and Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/Master DeRose (T-H-L).
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KMJAzar (T-C-L)
Likely COI: At the time article about Nominum (T-H-L) was published, Karim Azar was Marketing Communications Manager at Nominum.
Disclosure: None
Unity of focus: 100%
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Likely COI: At the time article about Nominum (T-H-L) was published, Karim Azar was Marketing Communications Manager at Nominum.
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Unity of focus: 100%
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