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Re: Fæ (Crow & Emu)

Unread post by Midsize Jake » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:39 pm

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It's only recently come to my attention that Mr. Crow is completely obsessed with everything I say and do. Apparently I'm super important to him. :B'
You're probably just being facetious, but for the benefit of our casual (and/or unregistered) readers, it's probably nothing to do with you personally. He just happens to believe that a website devoted to Wikipedia criticism should be 100% ideologically pure in its unbridled animosity and enmity towards anyone and everyone on Wikipedia who holds "advanced rights," and since we've shown we're no more than 70-80% ideologically pure (as evidenced by our decision to tolerate your participation here), he sees us as "sellouts," if not worse — you just happen to be the most prominent example of this sort of unacceptable toleration.

Which is not to say that I blame him for that level of animosity; rather, it's that he expresses himself in such a flamboyantly irrational and copious way, to the point of making entire websites unreadable/unusable, and then refuses to allow for even the possibility that this is the real reason why he isn't tolerated (as opposed to his refusal to tolerate Wikipedians).

Even the fact that he now calls himself "Jake is a sellout" is simply more evidence of this lack of self-awareness. Anyone reading his mile-long, irrational, absurdly self-aggrandizing screeds is going to think "Jake," whoever he is, must be a really decent and stand-up guy, if this is the sort of person who thinks he's a "sellout." He's making me more popular and respected than ever (not that I deserve it), and he simply has no idea that this is what he's doing.

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Re: Fæ (Crow & Emu)

Unread post by Ming » Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:28 pm

Midsize Jake wrote: You're probably just being facetious, but for the benefit of our casual (and/or unregistered) readers, it's probably nothing to do with you personally.
Well, it does have something to do with Beebs personally, just as it does with anyone who has every crossed words with that operatically verbose, overheated grudge-keeper. But yes, his notion of "criticism" is, um, febrile.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:29 pm

Hi Crow!

Allying with a convicted pedo is a surprising low, even for you.

But then there were Abd and The Swivel Eyed Loon prior to this.
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Re: Fæ (Crow & Emu)

Unread post by Beeblebrox » Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:23 am

I took a moment to search my own name over there and saw an absurd amount of threads, looked like at least 15. I didn't read any of it though, it looked nearly all of them were Crow talking to himself.
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Re: Fæ (Crow & Emu)

Unread post by Ming » Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:42 am

Well, most new threads seem to be Crow ranting on about how awful and pathetic WP lackeys we all are, with Barbour playing Ed McMahon to Crow's Carson keep things going.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Anroth » Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:03 am

I honestly have no idea why someone who has a documented history of uploading porn of themselves (under a free licence) and attempting to keep pictures of underage genitalia on commons actually wants the WMF's T&S team involved.

Even if T&S did decide (suicidally in my opinion) to do anything, it would provoke an *instant* response of "Why are you enabling someone who is a child safety risk?" likely copied in to every trash newspaper inbox in the UK.

Fae's real problem is that they are a caricature stereotype of everything gay people have tried to move public perception away from. Associating with Fae would be a PR disaster for the WMF and it would actively harm the perception of LGBTQ people on/in wikipedia. Not to mention Fae's sex pics would be widely disseminated.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by owl be it » Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:14 am

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Hi Crow!

Allying with a convicted pedo is a surprising low, even for you.

But then there were Abd and The Swivel Eyed Loon prior to this.
Is "the swivel-eyed loon" actually someone's username? I had seen you refer to someone by this name in another thread and figured it was just your term of endearment for a very special person.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Moral Hazard » Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:59 am

Midsize Jake wrote:
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Maybe we do deserve some push-back for ... treating the whole thing like it's some sort of ongoing absurdist comedy show
Fae is a character in a sitcom invented by really mean gay comedy-writers at a 4 a.m. run to an all night diner after a night of heavy drinking.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Vigilant » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:26 pm

owl be it wrote:Is "the swivel-eyed loon" actually someone's username?
It's a moniker that someone else coined for Graaf Statler.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Vigilant » Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:49 pm

He's got that pedo vibe down pat.
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Re: Fæ (Emu / Pedobear)

Unread post by Smiley » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:16 pm

Vigilant wrote:
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He's got that pedo vibe down pat.
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Re: Fæ (Emu / Pedobear)

Unread post by Vigilant » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:30 pm

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

:sick: :sick: :sick:
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Vigilant » Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:58 pm

Things are tense here.

Ashley has gone FOUR days without posting.

Is he going for the record?
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Silent Editor » Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:11 am

I’m presuming that when a T&S report is made their first move is to tell the putative victim to stop engaging on the websites until the investigation is complete.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Beeblebrox » Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:32 pm

Or, maybe they tell the reporting person that they were easily able to determine the report is without merit and they will not be pursuing it, and the reporting user gets mad and leaves in a huff. I don't know that's what happened but I do know they sometimes speedily reject cases, just like arbcom does.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by WikiWatcher » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:15 am

A whole week of no Fae! What's going on? One (or more) of the following -
  • 1. Fae has emailed Trust and Safety saying "I'm stopping my 200 million automated edits to Commons until you ban Beeblebrox"
    2. T&S have told Fae that this is turning into a massive WP:BOOMERANG and they are at risk of getting globablly banned and now Fae's paranoid and silent
    3. Fae is just sulking and will be back next week, probably with a message about yet another of their relatives dying or something
    4. A responsible adult has told Fae to shut up for a bit to avoid trouble (maybe the LGBT wikipeople?)
    5. Fae is abandoning the Fae account and is busy making a new account, persona and identity for a WP:CLEANSTART which will soon be stirring the shit on Wikipedia and doing massive automated uploads to Commons. (Did anyone else here see User:Copyfraud a while back?)
Place your bets please!

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Ryuichi » Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:13 am

WikiWatcher wrote:
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Place your bets please!
Put me down for a quiet 千円 on the full house.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Poetlister » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:44 pm

:welcome: WikiWatcher. These all seem quite plausible, and I can't decide which to support.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Vigilant » Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:52 pm

In another cruel blow, Ashley didn't get any money in the latest round of grants

That absolutely doesn't mean he isn't still trying to play the sympathy for poor oppressed Ashley card for the next round of sweet, sweet mo-nay. Ashley and his happy band of grifters.
WMLGBT+ Tuesday 7 September 2021

Meeting ID:
Passcode: wmlgbt+9

Proposed agenda

1. Intro
2. Summary of surge in anti-LGBTQ and anti-WMLGBT+ attacks: (a) Nigeria competition attacks against participants, (b) off-wiki doxxing and harassment case, (c) on-wiki targeted crosswiki campaign and refusal to act by global stewards [avoid drawing on-wiki attention in the notes on meta as these cases are on-going]
3. Systemic bias in enforcement, cases showing hands-off approach for anti-LGBTQ extremists but harsh and excessive enforcement for LGBTQ contributors -- topics to raise in the Sunday meeting with WMF T&S
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The topics above were covered. Some conclusions were to:
Seek to get funding to support harassed volunteers with help to write up and analyse the harassment to prepare a WMF T&S case or make on-wiki requests for action.
Use the role of the user group as a critical stakeholder to publish policies on respectful treatment of LGBTQ subjects and standards to interpret the UCoC enforcement as to what is harassment, hate speech, defamation using expert external standards rather than majority view voted policies.
As part of QW2022 aim to have a sizable grant sufficient to pay for professional contractor time to support and advise on policies and harassment cases that may supplement WMF T&S support or global steward support.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:32 am

Aaaaand, they've blanked the etherpad link...

:rotfl:


That's precisely what innocent people would do!!!

P.S. I kept a copy, Ashley. Just like your pictures that you got deleted out of process.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Silent Editor » Thu Sep 09, 2021 6:54 am

I wonder when the others will realise that this isn't really Wikimedia LGBT+, it's WikimediaAvH?

It's the Chapters Association all over again.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by WikiWatcher » Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:13 am

So... wait, Wikipediocracy has infiltrated Wikimedia LGBT meetings and found the meetings are all about Fae?

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Anroth » Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:00 pm

Eh? You dont need to infiltrate to get that. Any meeting where Fae attends will be attempted by him to be all about him.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by WikiWatcher » Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:39 pm

It's sad. There could be an LGBT group that does good stuff, but that won't happen with a metaphorical pidgeon strutting around shitting all over the place right in the middle of it.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Moral Hazard » Thu Sep 09, 2021 5:15 pm

Vigilant wrote:
Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:52 pm
Ashley [...] is [...] still trying to play the sympathy for poor-oppressed-Ashley card for the next round of sweet, sweet mo-nay. Ashley and his happy band of grifters.

Notes

Some conclusions were to:
Seek to get funding to support harassed volunteers with help to write up and analyse the harassment to prepare a WMF T&S case or make on-wiki requests for action.
As part of QW2022 aim to have a sizable grant sufficient to pay for professional contractor time to support and advise on policies and harassment cases that may supplement WMF T&S support or global steward support.

WMLGBT+ Tuesday 3 August 2021

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Zoloft » Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:52 am

The pronoun discussion was hijacking the topic, and getting shirty. It's here: link

Now that it has a topic of its own, don't mention it here. Off-topic posts will be moved if I'm having a good day, and deleted if I'm not.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by WikiWatcher » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:13 pm

Commons has been Fae-free for 4 weeks. If it lasts 12 months should we have a celebration?

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Anroth » Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:56 am

Just means he is socking.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Silent Editor » Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:49 am

In completely unrelated news, the privacy of participants and what they talk about has suddenly become an issue for the good folks at Wikimedia LGBT+.

At the September meeting
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The notes from this month were suppressed due to privacy concerns.
Although by the October meeting they simply didn't share notes, whilst maintaining secrecy about the participants (although the 'Agenda & Minutes section may provide a clue as to what and who was discussed).
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:46 pm

That definitely smells like Ashley doing his Grima Wormtongue impression.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Moral Hazard » Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:51 pm

Vigilant wrote:
Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:46 pm
That definitely smells like Ashley doing his Grima Wormtongue impression.
"Privacy concerns" is more reasonable than "threats against my me and my family", which was a recent accusation.

Maybe a month-long break from Wiki-drama has soothed Fae's soul?
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:04 pm

Moral Hazard wrote:
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Maybe a month-long break from Wiki-drama has soothed Fae's soul?
A man like Ashley has got a great big hole, right in the middle of himself. And he can never cheat enough, or grift enough, or inflict enough discomfort to ever fill it.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Moral Hazard » Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:44 pm

There's a hole in Ashley's soul
where all the money don't go.

Fae applied for nuttin',
I suppose.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Vigilant » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:38 pm

Peer support groups from T&S

Do I smell a gig for a certain person?
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Poetlister » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:28 pm

If Fae is paying attention here, he'll know about this already.
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We are writing to invite you to take part in a new project that the
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In the Foundation, we believe that your participation and opinion is
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by WikiWatcher » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:33 pm

it's been almost 2 months! Is Fae waiting for Halloween for a big comeback? Have they retired to a delux sockfarm in the Welsh mountains?

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Vigilant » Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:22 am

Don’t jinx it.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Poetlister » Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:32 am

WikiWatcher wrote:
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it's been almost 2 months! Is Fae waiting for Halloween for a big comeback? Have they retired to a delux sockfarm in the Welsh mountains?
I very much doubt that Fæ could ever sock successfully. He'd reveal his hand in no time.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Silent Editor » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:31 pm

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I very much doubt that Fæ could ever sock successfully. He'd reveal his hand in no time.
Ashley’s identity - and his desire for financial reward - is too tied up in his millions of uploads for there to be any point in him socking.
Copyfraud(T-C-F-L) was the exception, but he stopped that as soon as there was some real world interest in what that account was doing.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Vigilant » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:47 pm

He's going to continue trying to grift on his sexual orientation.
He has nothing else.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Smiley » Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:33 am

No doubt. He's planning the Queering Wikipedia 2022 event right now.
They got 39,811 EUR from the WMF for the 2019 one.

And I believe he's using at least three twitter accounts which regularly canvas for WP AfDs.

https://twitter.com/Faewik
https://twitter.com/wikilgbt
https://twitter.com/wikixyz

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by WikiWatcher » Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:27 am

oh god they even have sockpuppets ON TWITTER. ZOMG off-wiki canvassing. Awful.

Queering Wikipedia 2022 looks to have missed deadline: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW2022/Proposal

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Smiley » Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:37 am

WikiWatcher wrote:
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Queering Wikipedia 2022 looks to have missed deadline: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/QW2022/Proposal
They've probably cancelled the event because they're so frighted of Beeblebrox the doxxing queerphobe.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Moral Hazard » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:12 am

The failure of Fae's begging for WMF cash for his LGBT+ Fae-front trash has left Fae rocking in a foetal position.

He musters the energy to condemn public discussions of women being pressured into having sex with men with cocks (when they dress like women and call themselves e.g., "Candy"). Imagine how retarded the women's movement would have been if civil-rights women had never discussed being called racist for not wanting immediately to sleep with a particular Black man?
Cf., Sara M. Evans (T-H-L). Personal Politics: The Roots of Women's Liberation in the Civil Rights Movement and the New Left
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Poetlister » Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:43 pm

WikiWatcher wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:27 am
oh god they even have sockpuppets ON TWITTER. ZOMG off-wiki canvassing. Awful.
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Beeblebrox » Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:38 am

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Sat Oct 30, 2021 12:33 am
No doubt. He's planning the Queering Wikipedia 2022 event right now. They got 39,811 EUR from the WMF for the 2019 one.
This was my guess at what they would do. No more contribs (not enough people begged them to come back), going off into closed, increasingly secretive "movement" groups instead, and becoming an "outside agitator".
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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Smiley » Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:44 am

Beeblebrox wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:38 am
becoming an "outside agitator".
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by AndyTheGrump » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:50 am

Smiley wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:44 am
Beeblebrox wrote:
Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:38 am
becoming an "outside agitator".
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Doesn't pay as well.

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Re: Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

Unread post by Ryuichi » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:59 am

Poetlister wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 4:43 pm
One of the unique things about Wikipedia compared to other social media platforms is that the people with the power to check IPs are active combatants in arguments rather than aloof employees. On Twitter, nobody in power cares if you're a sock.
On Wikipedia, if you're an admin, nobody cares.

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