Fæ wants a taste of that sweet, sweet WMF money

[Giraffe Stapler]

Maybe the title of the thread could be changed to something less orally fixated?

You know, I started this thread to shine a little light on a terrible idea that Fae was proposing, not to encourage people to bring up Fae's embarrassing past. Yes, I know he accused Beeblebrox of "sexualizing" him with that OnlyFae joke. He's a liar and a hypocrite, but I don't think we need to keep reminding people of his past indiscretions, even if they were publicly shared and freely licensed.

Can we stick to mocking Fae for his current acts of hypocrisy and self-aggrandizement?

[AndyTheGrump]

Can we stick to mocking Fae for his current acts of hypocrisy and self-aggrandizement?

^ This. It really isn't necessary to bring up old indiscretions. Not when Fae comes up with new ways to demonstrate cluelessness on such a regular basis.

[Vigilant]

Ashley's MO hasn't changed at all in 15 years.
Only his wiki-station.

I think it's relevant to bring historical context to the current thread.

I wouldn't want any new readers to think we are piling over a single incident.

[AndyTheGrump]

Ashley's MO hasn't changed at all in 15 years.
Only his wiki-station.

I think it's relevant to bring historical context to the current thread.

I wouldn't want any new readers to think we are piling over a single incident.

Fair enough. I'd have to suggest though that maybe if you want to make a point about Fae's history, it can be done with better examples than indiscrete photo uploads and blog posts. They aren't what matters. The monumental time-sink Fae manages to create through relentless attention-seeking does.

[Vigilant]

Well, I could start a 'The Appalling History of Ashley van Haeften' thread, detail everything there and then link to it every time a new Ashley thread comes into existence.

Good idea.

[The Adversary]

gross...

Anyhoo, Rodhull is now threatening to get Trust and Safety to open a case on me. But I'm the one doing the intimidating.

Heh, you are quite safe then, T&S does only care about the "Trust and Safety" of WMF-people; unless you get a job in San Fran, you are shit to them.

Hey, people could even register with usernames like Rodhull torn apart alive by hunting dogs (T-C-L) ..or Fae fucked by multiple camel dicks (T-C-L) ..or Beeblebrox tortured and buried alived (T-C-L)*

---and the T&S would do exactly.......nil.


*(all of these have been made about my wp nick )

[Vigilant]

Dig that hole!

Beeblebrox, you have been doing this for years. You know from past threads that you have been posting in which trolls will doxx me, in this case pointing out how to find my home address and phone number, which I have never relased on-wiki, but it is being repeatedly associated with my account for anyone that wants to make real life attacks.

Your home address and phone number are not anywhere on WPO.
Show your evidence.

You are actively bullying me and after I asked you to stop on-wiki you carried on and made jokes after the doxxing information was posted.

There is no doxxing information on WPO about you. None.
And Ashley talking about being bullied is pretty rich irony fare considering just the evidence on display at your ARBCOM case.

You are deliberately inciting trolls off-wiki to attack me and make jokes targeting me after they do it.

Beeblebrox posting has nothing to do with you getting mocked here.
It was going to happen once you opening your cakehole and shat out your 'poor Fae begathon' idea.

You are posting jokes after trolls are bragging they are using sock accounts to disrupt this project and this discussion so there is no chance of properly holding you to account while your peanut gallery of off-wiki pals take pot shots with burner sock accounts.

As someone who was desysoped and indef'd for sockpuppetry, this is rich as well.
Are you trying to make me irony fat?

By these actions and similar targeted posts over a period of years, you are complicit in whipping up hatred and ensuring the decade of abuse that you know I've suffered, not only continues but increases by your deliberate actions off-wiki.

Gently scoffing at your continuing dingbattery isn't disallowed.

Hyperbole about 'whipping up hatred' and degrees of complicity should be disallowed in your case solely due to the number of times you've called others homophobic. ARBCOM even spanked you for that.

If you want to be mocked less, do fewer stupid things.

The evidence of your own writing off-wiki shows you enjoying how this harms me and puts my safety at risk.

Puts your safety at risk?!
Show your evidence that anyone from wiki-land or WPO land has ever made physical contact with you. I'll wait.

I don't understand why you would do this, I don't understand why anyone would do this to another volunteer.

Because you are a ridiculous dipshit and you constantly humiliate yourself in public.
I think everyone is painfully aware that this is part of your kink.

It can be hard not to laugh at a clown sometimes.

In addition, you are clearly a massive net-negative for the wiki.

You have not apologized or stepped back.

Apologize for what? Laughing at a clown show?

Your own words show you are proud of what you are doing off-wiki, partnering with banned users and trolls with a long history of targeting Wikimedians with abuse and harassment.

Partnering?
LMAO!

Also, point me to a wikipediot that I've 'targeted' who didn't deserve every ounce of what they got. Yourself included.

Not for one second have you shown an ounce of concern for my safety or the safety of my family, instead you are gaslighting me, so it's all my fault that you are posting about me off-wiki.

Because there are no safety concerns other than the ones you've made up out of whole cloth that don't exist anywhere except in that grimy bag of feral alley cats that poorly substitutes for your absent nervous ganglia?

How could anyone explain or excuse what you are doing or why you have been allowed to do this in public for years? --Fæ (talk) 18:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Because everything you said is bullshit and every other person, except the convict Phil Nash, can see that?

[Ming]

Ming has some monetizing suggestions, such as having to pay a nickel to vote "keep" on commons and getting a nickel every time you nominate a file there and it gets deleted.

[Vigilant]

Too late

[Poetlister]

Immediately below the discussion about Beeble, Fae and Rodhullandemu are criticising Ymblanter for blocking a sock of a globally banned user.

[Beeblebrox]

So, Fae posted some walls of text that I haven't bothered to read, at a glance it's more whining about why nobody sees it his way except his best friend Rodhull, who has now closed the thread with a statement that he has reported me to T&S.

This whole T&S thing is clearly meant to have a chilling effect and scare me into silence or even apologizing, but it's so laughably stupid it has done neither of those things, I stopped commenting there because the conversation was boring and obviously not going anywhere.

You took your shot Fae, and you missed.

[Poetlister]

It could be argued that saying you've reported someone to T&S has much the same effect as making a legal threat. WP:NLT applies equally on Commons. Not that I'm suggesting that you request a block for Rodhull on that basis.

[AndyTheGrump]

If T&S is going to start looking at what is going on at Commons, maybe while they are there they should make a few enquiries as to whether the many highly-sexualised images of what are presumably mostly still living people that are available there for allegedly 'educational' purposes (i.e. somewhere to keep a porn stash) have always been uploaded with said individual's consent? Or does T&S's remit when it comes to dealing with "abusive sexualization" only cover contributors, rather than the general public?

[Vigilant]

15:59, 31 August 2021 diff hist −1,265‎ Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems ‎ →‎Beeblebrox: dancing on other users' graves is petty, spiteful and not tolerated here. Removed per COM:NPA. If you want to discuss it, come to my offices at 37 Peel Street, Liverpool. Open 24 hours.

Sounds like he's challenging you to fisticuffs.

[Vigilant]

lol

Tough guy.

If you talk to me, you log in and do it on my talk page. Thanks. Rodhullandemu (talk) 20:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

[Beeblebrox]

I don't know what is going on with the post-closure antics but it's nothing to do with me. Rod sure likes to sound like a tough guy though. I find that amusing rather than intimidating.

The Ip appears to be somewhere in Bristol.

[Smiley]

Double standard Perhaps?

Do we Know anyone from Brizzle that Capitalizes words Apparently at random?

(Other than SN54129, that is?)

[Poetlister]

If T&S is going to start looking at what is going on at Commons, maybe while they are there they should make a few enquiries as to whether the many highly-sexualised images of what are presumably mostly still living people that are available there for allegedly 'educational' purposes (i.e. somewhere to keep a porn stash) have always been uploaded with said individual's consent? Or does T&S's remit when it comes to dealing with "abusive sexualization" only cover contributors, rather than the general public?

If the individual is identifiable, that would certainly be a problem. However, I guess without looking that in most cases they would not be identifiable. Also, it's unlikely that the people were unaware that the photo was being taken so they're not creep shots. I would love T&S to come down on Commons like a pile of bricks, but alas it's not going to happen.

[Smiley]

"Throwing petrol everywhere"?! He's calling me an arsonist! He's been weaponized by a homophobic hate-site!!! etc., etc....

Blocking admin Review

I have returned to the project after a long break and was conscious that one of the things I left undone was a review of my block here and indications of where I saw the path forward. I have reviewed what happened at the time of blocking, events since and the comments since the block. What was intended to be a quick look at Commons turned into a rabbithole of getting sucked into reading the commons vp and com:anu over the ridiculous dispute with a current arb here. I was struck that the key concern expressed here against unblocking - namely the diffusion of drama and tendency to personalise and escalate disagreements by throwing petrol everywhere was playing out in commons in front of my eyes. Clearly nothing has changed about fae’s approach and, I fear, it is unreasonable to expect it to change in future.

Having thought about it long and hard, I have concluded that there is no path forward for fae here that will not eventually lead to unnecessary drama, unnecessary drama unnecessarily escalated and massive disruption to this project as a consequence. I therefore now fully oppose an unblock under any circumstances. The only path left is for either an appeal to the community or to arbcom.

Is this unfair on fae? Probably yes, but sometimes we just have to look at the overall good of the project and in my opinion and of many of those commenting, the good of the project does not have fae editing here because of the eventual expectation of unnecessary drama and disruption. Spartaz (T-C-L), 14:21, 1 September 2021

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1032035304

[Smiley]

{{Reply to|Spartaz}} "the ridiculous dispute with a current arb here" is an… interesting… way of describing queerphobic off-wiki harassment and doxxing of an LGBTQ+ editor by someone of such on-wiki seniority that they should clearly know better. — OwenBlacker (T-C-L), 15:36, 1 September 2021 (diff / archive)

@Beebs: I hear you're a doxxing queerphobe now, Father? Should we all be doxxing queerphobes now?

[Vigilant]

In summary, Ashley will never be allowed to edit en.wp again.

Now do commons.

[Vigilant]

OwenBlacker (T-C-L)

Hi userpage is a hoot!

I particularly enjoyed his multitudinous userboxes.
Seems to share a passion with Ashley

This user finds copyright paranoia disruptive.

Names to faces

[Ming]

He has two freaking pages of of userboxes! And Ming is sorry, but "This user is modified"?!? Serious TMI there....

[Vigilant]

Interesting.

Ashley's turned off his bot.

I smell a feeble, unnoticed protest in the offing.

[Smiley]

Advice to the Internet Watch Foundation regarding censorship of Wikipedia by ISPs
Response by Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to Owen Blacker on 8 January 2009

Dear Mr Blacker

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2008120001992
I respond in connection with your request for information dated
08/12/2008 which was received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on
08/12/2008. I note you seek access to the following information:

* You may be aware that the Internet Watch Foundation has added an
article and an image from the Wikipedia (pertaining to the 1976 album
"Virgin Killer", by the Scorpions) to their blacklist of websites they
consider potentially to be child pornography. The IWF's press release
on the subject may be found at
http://www.iwf.org.uk/media/news.249.htm
* I would like to request to see copies of any documents you have (which
I would presume to be emails and records of telephone
conversations, but may include letters and other documents) that
relate to any advice given by the Metropolitan Police to the
Internet Watch Foundation on this subject.

DECISION

In accordance with the Act, this letter represents a Refusal Notice for
this particular request under Section 17(4). <blah blah>

Virgin Killer (T-H-L)

[Poetlister]

Yes, that was overturned and famously this was described as dancing on the skulls of the people trying to censor Wikipedia.

[Smiley]

Owen Blacker was so determined to see the Virgin Killer image on Wikipedia, he helped organize a boycott of all major UK ISPs.

"I will move to an ISP that does not censor my Internet access but only if 1,000 other people in the UK will do the same."

On 5 December 2008, it was noticed that access to Wikipedia from the United Kingdom was being routed through a small number of "transparent" proxies, and that access to an article (Virgin Killer) and image (Image:Virgin_Killer.jpg) which appeared on that article were being blocked completely to people using those proxies.

146 signed but the only other names I recognize are Cory Doctorow and David Mudkips.

[Vigilant]

Genderdesk has a writeup

[Pudeo]

Genderdesk has a writeup

And after I objected to his edits, along with his tag-team partner, Tsumikira, whose Twitter account was deleted for CP, Fae went on a personal vendetta against Genderdesk on en.wiki, bullying people who had edited the article, and trying to get my dox.

There's probably a typo there. That should be Tsumikiria who was renamed to Tsumiki (T-C-L) and edited political articles. Indeed, Twitter user "Tsumikiria" is suspended but Tsumikiiss exists (the new one can be found because Wikipedia user Artoria2e5 (T-C-L), who uses the same handle in Twitter, links to Tsumiki's current account).

If you check the Tsumikiiss Twitter account and scroll down a bit, which I don't recommend, there's some manga pornography of way prepubertal girls being in an intercourse there. Those depicted looked 4 or 5 years old.

This and Rodhullandemu, a great squad Fae has.

[Smiley]

If you check the Tsumikiss Twitter account and scroll down a bit, which I don't recommend, there's some manga pornography of way prepubertal girls being in an intercourse there. Those depicted looked 4 or 5 years old.

Christ. I found Tsumiki's twitter a while back and noped the fuck out after seeing a couple of borderline gifs. Btw, Artoria is "Arthur2e5" aka "Mingye Wang" on Insta.

[Vigilant]

17:46, 31 August 2021 diff hist +56,031‎ User talk:Fæ/2021 ‎ + current
17:45, 31 August 2021 diff hist −56,024‎ User talk:Fæ ‎ u Tag: Replaced

Smells like a diva quit.

Who's going to start the SlinkBack pool?

[Moral Hazard]

Another day.

Another weirdo down.

Just another notch on Beeblebrox's peacemaker.

[Smiley]

Smells like a diva quit.

Who's going to start the SlinkBack pool?

Even for somone who enjoys humiliation, this must be unbearable. Ten million edits yet the WMF won't cough up a few pennies for a new laptop. He's banished from Wikipedia forever, his remaining supporters are nutjobs, and Arbs are openly mocking him.

His last shot was T&S and they will do nothing: unless there have been some under-the-table dealings we don't know about, Fae has no suction with the bigwigs. Anyone of sound mind would simply walk away forever so I'm gonna say Sept. 19.

[Beeblebrox]

Fae uploaded like 20+ files right after the talk page edit. Not gonna lie, I do wish they would call it quits and take Rodhull with them, but (as they just found out) it isn't so easy to get the Commons community to take action, so I've accepted that these two will be there as long as they want to be, but I don't have to be happy about it or act like they aren't a couple of toxic bullies who disguise themselves as victims.

Meanwhile, Mr. Blacker has retracted his unwarranted accusation's on en.wp, while at the same time once again trying to play role-reversal and say the chilling effect is coming from the other direction. link I don't think I have ever heard of this person before today, but if they are just going to ape Fae's tired bullshit that's about all I need to know.

[Vigilant]

Moving over to en.wp.

The Dramah God is pleased.

Concern

Hi Owen.

I'm concerned by this comment. I understand that there is a claim that Beeblebrox has engaged in off-wiki harassment. I'm not sure I agree with that, but I'll put a pin in my opinion on that point. My significant concerns are

Queerphobic: I have never seen any indication that there is any bigotry in Beeblebrox's motives, and I believe instead it is down to personality disagreements.
Doxxing: I have never seen any indication that Beeblebrox has participated in any doxxing at the off-wiki site.

Do you have any evidence of either of these terms? If so, I believe this should be taken further. If not, please could you refactor your comments to be more accurate. WormTT(talk) 16:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

I was just coming here to ask the exact same question. Powerful claims require strong evidence and I'd like to see the specific edits which support your allegations please. Spartaz Humbug! 16:22, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

This has been taken up with WMF T&S; I am seeking their advice. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 18:21, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

You probably don't want to just parrot lies that Fae is telling. You have no more evidence of these absurd claims than Fae does, because they just made it up out of thin air. T&S will see through that as easily as anyone else. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:10, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

If this is with T&S you should not be bringing this up on wiki. It is not acceptable to cast aspertions and refuse to back them up and pulling up t&s when challenged has the same chilling effect as a legal threat. I strongly recommend you either withdraw your allegation or evidence it as otherwise I will take this further. Spartaz Humbug! 19:52, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it's kind of nuts that a group of people accusing be of being a bully are bullying me with these "I've reported you" threats. It didn't surprise me to see it from a disgraced former admin on Commons who was desysopped for being a bully, but I didn't expect to see it just repeated as if it were fact here. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:31, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Fine, I'll retract in the face of your chilling effect — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:41, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

For the record, again, the 'doxxing' information was on Wikipedia Review, I did it, and it was simply the output of running "whois haeften.com" at the time.

Having your legal last name.com without a privacy registrar is foolish.

As has also been pointed out here, Ashley van Haeften's 'dox' are present and in a public area on the UK government's website due to Ashley's involvement with the WMUK.

[Moral Hazard]

A glutton for ... punishment

[Vigilant]

At least Phil Nash is continually making commons a better place.

[Vigilant]

I can see why Fae raises this, as their indefinite block on the English Wikipedia (which is now well on its way to be a community ban) essentially rules them out of many forms of Movement funding. I know their requests for equipment from the WMF have not met with success (possibly related to that block?) and their local chapter is probably unlikely to issue any further funds beyond a MacMini purchased in 2014. I do wonder if contributors potentially financially supporting other contributors opens a can of worms about how those contributors then behave in on-wiki discussions? Would some form of COI disclosure be required in these cases, e.g. "I'm supporting this user as an admin but for disclosure purposes I also received $200 from them in tips in the last months?" The Land (talk) 21:47, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

[AndyTheGrump]

Maybe Wikipediocracy should donate a laptop to Fae? For his services to the entertainment industry, or something...

[Vigilant]

Maybe Wikipediocracy should donate a laptop to Fae? For his services to the entertainment industry, or something...

You really want to get a call from someone in a three letter agency when they go through his hard drive?

[ArmasRebane]

Hey, a Mac mini circa 2014 is still a totally reasonable machine to edit WMF sites with. Some people can't be happy with the reasonable amount of free goodies, I guess.

His last shot was T&S and they will do nothing: unless there have been some under-the-table dealings we don't know about, Fae has no suction with the bigwigs. Anyone of sound mind would simply walk away forever so I'm gonna say Sept. 19.

I'd like to think T&S has learned from their previous mistakes that acting on reports without fully understanding the complex, years-long background of a lot of these personalities ends up working poorly for them. But if they still recognize Fae's name, that's probably not a notch in his favor, and if they don't, I don't particularly think his argumentation really strikes me as compelling to an outsider.

[Poetlister]

I don't think I have ever heard of this person before today, but if they are just going to ape Fae's tired bullshit that's about all I need to know.

Just apply the Fred Bauder rule "Tsunami Butler was properly blocked as a sockpuppet. Such determinations are not based on checkuser but on aggressive editing which fits the same pattern as a banned user. Obviously a different person may be involved; the violation is mirroring the behavior of the banned editor." Unfortunately, Fred is no longer an admin (presumably, if you ask him, he'll say he has retired from that role) so you can't ask him to block this chap.

[Moral Hazard]

Maybe Wikipediocracy should donate a laptop to Fae? For his services to the entertainment industry, or something...

You really want to get a call from someone in a three letter agency when they go through his hard drive?

To each Fae according to their needs

[Poetlister]

"You really want to get a call from someone in a three letter agency when they go through his hard drive?"

Fae is in Britain. It wouldn't be a three letter agency; it would be his local police force.

[Smiley]

Crow to Emu:

I'm sure you didn't miss it, but in case you did, the post on Wikipediocracy where Beeblebrox says "gross" will be quite easy to present as evidence that he is motivated by homophobia, and pretty hard to deny he is not. Borgo Dobo(T-C-F-L) 16:32, 2 September 2021

Also Crow:

[Beeblebrox]

It's only recently come to my attention that Mr. Crow is completely obsessed with everything I say and do. Apparently I'm super important to him.

[AndyTheGrump]

Trolls gotta troll. Sad...

[Smiley]

Trolls gotta troll. Sad...

It's more pathetic than that. Crow is a big fan of commons and still has an account in good standing:

Ultra7(T-C-F-L) (325,097 edits)

They didn't remember this self-declared account when MickMacNee was globally blocked in 2020, and Mick wasn't linked to AttackTheMoonNow, globally banned this year.

[AndyTheGrump]

You mean that the person responsible for this link masterpiece of the photographer's craft is Crowsnest? Such a shame to see such talent go to waste...

[Vigilant]

It's only recently come to my attention that Mr. Crow is completely obsessed with everything I say and do. Apparently I'm super important to him.

I love it when he says someone else is 'obsessed'.