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Let's talk about Reddit's "Crew" problem, shall we?

Unread post by Stierlitz » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:40 am

In case Reddit is demolished by the Feds for hiding child porn or having a private, hidden Al-Qaeda message board, this is what we know about this group of mostly-ex-Digg members who run an ungodly number of Reddit message boards ("subreddits") and troll an unknown number of "Redditors." All information came from the /r/nolibswatch subreddit, so be aware that NLW is pro-Libertarian, while the Crew is pro-war conservative Republican or blue-dog Democrat.

The grandfather of this annoyance society is "Nolibs" who was on Digg years ago.
(last update 02/01/14)

Current primary account

GiveYourBestEffort

Banned/deleted sockpuppets

edit:

To verify whether banned or not: http://www.reddit.com/user/xxxxxxxx/about.json

(if deleted it will display " {"error": 404} ")

Effective sometime in January, 2014, reddit has mysteriously decided to hide this information from its users:

Link: http://www.reddit.com/r/RedditCensorshi ... method_of/

avengingtulip - Primary account [BANNED] 09/03/13 (link) NEW

MrNoLibs - Primary account [BANNED] 08/28/13 (link) NEW

SirNoLibs - Primary account [BANNED] 08/27/13 (link) NEW

NoLibsIsRight - Primary account [BANNED] 08/27/13 (link) NEW

ReturnToProsperity - Primary account [BANNED] 08/25/13 (link) NEW

NoLibsWasRight - Primary account [BANNED] 08/21/13 (link) NEW

EPS_Bot - Primary account [BANNED] 06/18/13 (link)

GrampaNo - Primary account [BANNED] 06/05/13 (link)

TheGhostOfNoLibs - Primary account - [BANNED] 3/27/13 (link)

VOICEOFREAS0N - Primary account - [BANNED] 1/4/12 (link)

NoNoLibertarians - Primary account, created "EnoughPaulSpam" - [BANNED] 9/13/11 (link)

Nolibertarian - Primary account - [BANNED] 2/13/11 (link)

RandPaulHatesGays [BANNED]

Green-lightsGrandma [BANNED]

Sorry4Greeny [BANNED]

TheRevengeOfNoLibs [BANNED]

TheReturnsOfNoLibs [BANNED]

GrampaNL [BANNED]

GhostsOfNoLibs [BANNED]

Mrs-Ron-Paul [BANNED]

TheReturnOfNoLibs [BANNED]

EnoughPaulSpam [BANNED]

N0LIBERTARIAN [BANNED]

No_Libertarians [BANNED]

NoLibraries [BANNED]

RonPaulHatesBlacks [BANNED]

RonPaulHatesJews [BANNED]

RonPaulHatesYou [BANNED]

nofedaudit [BANNED]

GoodNewsGuy[BANNED]

avengingmango [BANNED]

avengingavocado [BANNED]

crazyronpaul [BANNED]

crazyrandpaul [BANNED]

endlessbullshit [BANNED]

Sportstar67 [BANNED]

UhOhLibertarians [deleted]

avengingrutabaga [deleted]

avengingchilepatoto [deleted]

avengingradish [deleted]

avengingidahopotato [deleted]

coffeerell [deleted]

Cheney4Nazis [deleted]

SonOfNoLibs [deleted]

TheStatist [deleted]

NoLibsKin [deleted]

xxxzy [deleted]

GrandSonOfNoLibs [deleted]

NoLibs Crew Sockpuppets

PaJeff ACTIVE

avengingpancake ACTIVE

RonPaulHatesGayes ACTIVE

TheRevengeOfJosh ACTIVE

RightWingShill ACTIVE

GhostofNoLibertarian

MrRonPaul

TheOldJewUpstairs

TomDerman

RobertNeville1984

Romney4President

NoCFL

NOTdvm573imer

crackbuck

cracbuck

RonPaulHatesGays

FeralCalf

NoNoJosh613

NoNotLibertarians

avengingbagel

AvengingMainePotato

avengingcoffeecake

avengingfrenchtoast

n0libs
How many is that? NoLibsWatch claims there are 50 banned accounts. And all this was done by one person.

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Re: Let's talk about Reddit's "Crew" problem, shall we?

Unread post by Stierlitz » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:03 am

Thankfully the rest aren't as prolific in sockpuppetry:
last update 02/09/14

(Bold Text = Primary Account)

jcm267
JerkStores (link and screen)
jcm267s_sockpuppet
jcm267ster
NOTjcm267
jcm_267
Non-Lubricated_jcm26
TheWifeOfJCM267
TheWifeOfJCM

NotCOINTELPROAgent [BANNED] - COINTELPROAgent on Digg, /r/Philosopher_Kings
COINTELPROAgent
NoLibrarian (evidence)

Herkimer - Herkimer56 on Digg [Temporarily banned on 7/13/12]
BetYouCanNotTellMe (link) [deleted]

Einstimer - OneTimer on Digg, /r/RachelCorrie

Facehammer
NOT_LouFranklin

tzvika613 - [BANNED] same name on Digg
TheGhostOfTzvika
AlgaeRythym - /r/TheAsylum
venganzdivino
bernk1 [BANNED]

TheRealHortnon - Hortnon on Digg

robotevil (r/conspiratard was outsmarted by Cowz [NLW member] and demodded)
TotallyNotRobotEvil
NotRobotEvil (deleted)
NoNotRobotEvi
crackbuck (mods r/RachelCorrie, r/EnoughPaulSpam)

mossadi (r/conspiratard) [inactive]
m0ssadi
GhostOfMossadi

AlertaAntifa [BANNED] (Nolibs crew flunkey, racist genocide advocate)
Anti-Racist-Action
KillZimmy
throwaway182471 [BANNED]
ThRowR0wRowAway [BANNED]
2tochuntek [BANNED]
ILuvLikud [BANNED]
And here are the subreddits they run:
last update 04/07/14

42 Hate Groups

/r/EnoughPaulSpam

/r/Conspiratard (R-Word PSA - nsfw language)

/r/RachelCorrie (screens before they cleaned it)

/r/Rachel_Corrie

/r/WorldofPancakes (Rachel Corrie "joke"/obsession)

/r/ProWar

/r/Paulville

/r/RonBots

/r/RonPaulisaNut

/r/EnoughPaulBullShit

/r/EPS

/r/EnoughGaryJohnsonSpam

/r/enoughamashspam

/r/EnoughKokeshSpam

/r/EnoughLibertarianSpam

/r/Philosopher_Kings

/r/Conspiratard2

/r/conspiratardmemes

/r/The_Asylum

/r/Dumbasses

/r/IndependentThinking

/r/NLW (hilarious reaction subreddit)

/r/groundmeat (trollish threats subreddit)

/r/treason

/r/crackpots

/r/crackpot

/r/nutjobs

/r/stalkerwatch

/r/walkofshame/ (explicitly defames /u/TheGhostOfDusty in the side-bar)

/r/libertariancooking

/r/ihateyou

/r/IamaNRAZombie

/r/IAMASmartPerson

/r/IAMAPaultardZombie

/r/ChristianityWatch

/r/MuslimWatch

/r/RonPaul2016

/r/GaryJohnson2016

/r/Johnson2016

/r/Paul2016

/r/Rand2016

/r/Ancapistan/

31 Trolling Subreddits

/r/AlexJones

/r/BNP_UK

/r/BNP [BANNED]

/r/BANA

/r/Stormfront

/r/Skinheads

/r/newworldorder

/r/White_Music (co-modded by /u/BipolarBear0)

/r/IhatesocialismnJews

/r/cockroaches

/r/cockroach

/r/LadyBugs

/r/ladybug

/r/GunsAreCool

/r/GRC

/r/ResponsibleGunOwner/

/r/BagelPorn

/r/j00z

/r/13Downvotes

/r/Green_light

/r/ProudLikeCowz

/r/Flytape

/r/COWSGOESMOO

/r/TheGhostOfDusty

/r/bitteroldmen

/r/Ihaterobotevil

/r/goodthings/

/r/MyLittleBridge/ (co-modded by /u/cojoco...)

/r/EnoughRobotEvilSpam

/r/Ron_Paul_is_Great

/r/kristallnacht

27 Other Subreddits

/r/BusinessNews

/r/usanews

/r/Republicans

/r/Khazar_Pride

/r/NaziHunting

/r/Wealth

/r/EasternEurope

/r/ConspiracyDebates

/r/TheGarden

/r/LincolnRepublicans

/r/WorldEvents

/r/PoliticalOpinion

/r/product_design

/r/GunRights

/r/politicsuncensored

/r/WonderfulMusic

/r/USEconomicRecovery

/r/rubio

/r/JebBush

/r/blakegriffin/

/r/TimScott

/r/dynamative/

/r/guncontrol

/r/whathasobamadone

/r/Israel2

/r/NewRSlashIsrael/

/r/politicalopinion/

Secret Subreddits (vote-gaming)

/r/jcm267
http://www.reddit.com/subreddits/search?q=jcm267

/r/nlwwatch
http://www.reddit.com/subreddits/search?q=nlwwatch

/r/SecretConspiratard
http://www.reddit.com/subreddits/search ... nspiratard

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Re: Let's talk about Reddit's "Crew" problem, shall we?

Unread post by Zoloft » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:14 am

Can you pull back a bit and give us the 'big picture' view, in other words, what is it they do, why is it bad, why should we care?

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Unread post by Stierlitz » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:40 am

Jcm267 also has a YouTube account: https://www.youtube.com/user/jcm267

Notice the videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/jcm267/videos

Real dislike for Ron Paul, possibly blames him for the Obama elections.

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Unread post by Stierlitz » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:48 am

Zoloft wrote:Can you pull back a bit and give us the 'big picture' view, in other words, what is it they do, why is it bad, why should we care?
Trolling, setting up commenters and then banning them, karma-whoring, wasting space with dead spite subreddits, stock Internet psychopathic behavior. They treat Reddit as their own private playground like Michael Brutsch (aka "Violentacrez"), except it's politics instead of grossout photos. If Reddit sinks these scumbags will go elsewhere, probably under premutations of their present handles, and do the exact same thing.

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Re: Let's talk about Reddit's "Crew" problem, shall we?

Unread post by Johnny Au » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:17 pm

I find it funny that the word "libertarian" has the word "lib" in it.

Yes, I know that "lib" usually means "liberal" and rarely "libertarian."

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Re: Let's talk about Reddit's "Crew" problem, shall we?

Unread post by Stierlitz » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:17 pm

Johnny Au wrote:I find it funny that the word "libertarian" has the word "lib" in it.

Yes, I know that "lib" usually means "liberal" and rarely "libertarian."
I found a post on a blog from 2010 where were see a list of "NoLibs" previous Digg handles:

NoLibrarians
NoCFL
NoGoldSurge
NoPaul2012
NoLasagna
NoLiberties
NoRand2010
TheLegionofNo
NoTeaParty
NoPaultards
NoSharronAngle
NoPeterSchiff
NoDipsticks
StatistOne
StatistTwo

The blog: http://therattingtonpost.blogspot.com/2 ... es-of.html

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I forgot to add that Libertarianism is not my personal political philosophy, nor did I ever support Ron Paul; really I think the Crew picked their political positions and enemies for the maximum effect of trolling.

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Unread post by EricBarbour » Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:47 am

This is interesting to me. I'd heard of "NoLibs" before, he's semi-famous for trolling a lot of websites with his "Ron Paul is a commie" brand of "extreme libertarianism", Which basically translates into "trolling". But didn't know there were records left behind about his numerous Reddit accounts. Normally the Reddit sysops would obliterate everything "controversial".

Plus:Image

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EricBarbour wrote:This is interesting to me. I'd heard of "NoLibs" before, he's semi-famous for trolling a lot of websites with his "Ron Paul is a commie" brand of "extreme libertarianism", Which basically translates into "trolling". But didn't know there were records left behind about his numerous Reddit accounts. Normally the Reddit sysops would obliterate everything "controversial".

Plus:Image
"Crackduck" (aka "TheGhostofDusty") used this: http://www.reddit.com/user/xxxxxxxx/about.json Reddit banned the "about.json" method this January, so now it's gotten harder to track sockpuppets and trolls.

This is a link to all the subreddits "the Crew" runs: http://www.reddit.com/r/NolibsWatch/com ... by_nolibs/ If you look at http://www.reddit.com/r/Ancapistan/ you will notice that it has existed for one year and presently it's completely empty.
Because they have so many subreddits they can't keep then all running all the time; http://www.reddit.com/r/NaziHunting was dead a year ago.

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Unread post by Stierlitz » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:58 am

A list of the dead "Crew" subreddits:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Rachel_Corrie (totally empty, scrubbed)

http://www.reddit.com/r/ProWar/ (last post five months ago)

http://www.reddit.com/r/RonPaulisaNut (last post a year ago)

http://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughPaulBullShit (totally empty)

http://www.reddit.com/r/EPS (just a link to r/EnoughPaulSpam)

http://www.reddit.com/r/enoughamashspam (last post five months ago)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Philosopher_Kings (last used three years ago)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Conspiratard2 (dead for a year)

http://www.reddit.com/r/IndependentThinking (dead three years, co-opted from deleted redditor)

http://www.reddit.com/r/NLW (NoLibsWatch counter-subreddit, dead for a year)

http://www.reddit.com/r/groundmeat (no new posts for a year)

http://www.reddit.com/r/crackpots (a year old and never used)

http://www.reddit.com/r/nutjobs (four months old, never used)

http://www.reddit.com/r/walkofshame/ (a year old, empty)

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAMAPaultardZombie (dead for a year)

http://www.reddit.com/r/RonPaul2016 (two years of emptiness)

http://www.reddit.com/r/GaryJohnson2016 (empty, one year old)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Johnson2016 (also dead, empty, for one year)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Ancapistan/ (previously described as empty for a year, here to be complete)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Skinheads (dead for a year)

http://www.reddit.com/r/IhatesocialismnJews (link to r/nazihunting)

http://www.reddit.com/r/GRC (link to r/gunsarecool)

http://www.reddit.com/r/j00z (empty for one year)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Green_light (last post a year ago)

http://www.reddit.com/r/ProudLikeCowz (last used one year ago; mockery subreddit of redditor with handle "ProwdLikeCows.")

http://www.reddit.com/r/COWSGOESMOO (another mockery subreddit)

http://www.reddit.com/r/bitteroldmen (five year old subreddit last used a year ago. Ron Paul mockery.)

http://www.reddit.com/r/goodthings/ (dead for a year, lame Martha Stewart joke)

http://www.reddit.com/r/MyLittleBridge/ (dead for a year, bizarre My Little Pony theme)

http://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughRobotEvilSpam (two years old, one post, dead since 2012)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Ron_Paul_is_Great (empty two years)

http://www.reddit.com/r/kristallnacht (empty four months)

http://www.reddit.com/r/whathasobamadone (one post, dead two years)

http://www.reddit.com/r/dynamative/ (empty a year)

http://www.reddit.com/r/blakegriffin/ (four year old subreddit, one post which is one month old. Special example.)

http://www.reddit.com/r/LincolnRepublicans (dead for a year)

http://www.reddit.com/r/ConspiracyDebates (last used a year ago)

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Out of one hundred subreddits run by that group, thirty-seven are either dead, placeholders, or possibly coming out of hibernation (/r/blakegriffin is a possible example.) I tried to keep the "dead" to a year's inactivity; there are a number of subreddits that are less than a year old, like /r/ResponsibleGunOwner, which has been around for a month and empty that whole time. The subreddit /r/nutjobs was included as an example of one that has been around four months and empty the whole time. If you look at each of these links, the reader will also notice that many of them have maybe four posts and no comments, especially the spite subreddits. In all, the Crew probably has ten or fifteen fully-functional forums going at any given time.

There are thirteen empty subreddits.

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Re: Let's talk about Reddit's "Crew" problem, shall we?

Unread post by EricBarbour » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:34 am

Stierlitz wrote:There are thirteen empty subreddits.
And that's only a tiny sample, controlled by one guy and friends. There are probably thousands of empty or dead subreddits, which no one ever talks about, even on Reddit itself. The damn thing is starting to look like a semi-abandoned shopping mall, with large anchor stores still doing good business and scores of empty storefronts inside.

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Unread post by Stierlitz » Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:01 am

EricBarbour wrote:
Stierlitz wrote:There are thirteen empty subreddits.
And that's only a tiny sample, controlled by one guy and friends. There are probably thousands of empty or dead subreddits, which no one ever talks about, even on Reddit itself. The damn thing is starting to look like a semi-abandoned shopping mall, with large anchor stores still doing good business and scores of empty storefronts inside.
And it gets worse when you realize any subreddit could be made private, so god knows how busy or empty any of those are, unless you are invited in to see the cobwebs or the bustle.

There are cases where a semi-defunct subreddit is absorbed by another one on the same subject; /r/dprk was recently absorbed into /r/northkorea*, so if you had /r/dprk as a favorite (like I did) it would transfer you over to the other one if you clicked on it. Administration does not like to prune dead subreddits because they can spring back to life supposedly, if the moderators change.

A late addition to the list of "Crew" members: /u/NYPD32 and /u/NYPD39. NYPD32 has been on Reddit for nine months, moderates /r/stalkerwatch (which harasses /r/NoLibsWatch) has his own dead subreddits at /r/NYPD32 and /r/Platski. NYPD39 has been around for one month, also moderates /r/stalkerwatch.....and he has a five-day-old sockpuppet called /u/TheGhostofNYPD32 !! I think all of these wannabe cops are sockpuppets of somebody else.

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* Should be called "Human Rights Abuses in North Korea"; acts like a mishmash of a human-rights NGO and Dr. Fred Schwartz's Christian Anti-Communist Crusade. They want North Korea gone yesterday, and repress any knowledge of the nasty elements of German reunification. /R/dprk was far less strident, more like a feed of news stories about North Korea.

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Unread post by EricBarbour » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:14 pm

Again, the true story of Reddit would make an amazing, demented book. But it will never happen without the cooperation of moderators, which is unlikely in the extreme. The lack of discussion outside Reddit about these subjects is very strange. I wonder if Reddit's corporate parent forces new mods to sign a restrictive NDA.

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Unread post by Stierlitz » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:33 am

EricBarbour wrote:Again, the true story of Reddit would make an amazing, demented book. But it will never happen without the cooperation of moderators, which is unlikely in the extreme. The lack of discussion outside Reddit about these subjects is very strange. I wonder if Reddit's corporate parent forces new mods to sign a restrictive NDA.
They're no longer totally owned by Condé Nast, so I don't think the non-disclosure theory works. There have been half-assed attempts to expose/discredit Reddit by such characters as "Lou Franklin" (aka "LouF") who I'm guessing ran the "IndependentThinking" subreddit; LouF was a Christian conservative who thought Reddit was a Leftist nihihilst's playground. He had a blog at www.loufranklin.blogspot.com which he closed in 2012, though chunks of it are still on the Wayback Machine where you can see how he was occasionally comment-attacked by jcm267 of the Crew.

My conjecture for why no insider has gone to a real reporter to tell the facts is that a) they are afraid of being hauled into court over the child porn formerly(?) housed/linked to on Reddit, along with all the copyright infringement that has happened on site since the beginning, and b) not even the moderators consider Reddit to be real. Yes, it pays them a wage and it exists in an office, but there is none of the solidity of working at The New York Times or the Rolling Rock bottling plant.

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Re: Let's talk about Reddit's "Crew" problem, shall we?

Unread post by EricBarbour » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:54 am

Stierlitz wrote:My conjecture for why no insider has gone to a real reporter to tell the facts is that a) they are afraid of being hauled into court over the child porn formerly(?) housed/linked to on Reddit
Presumably you are referring to r/gonewild, r/jailbait and similar areas. If Reddit itself hosts photos, I'd like to see where -- nearly every image posted on Reddit is on Imgur, and so Imgur would bear the burden of being a "child porn" portal.
along with all the copyright infringement that has happened on site since the beginning
Again, I can imagine there were subreddits where copyright violations could be shared, but where would they post the actual files?
and b) not even the moderators consider Reddit to be real. Yes, it pays them a wage and it exists in an office, but there is none of the solidity of working at The New York Times or the Rolling Rock bottling plant.
That I can believe. Typical of how Web 2.0 drones regard their employers, as fly-by-night operations. For good reason too.

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Re: Let's talk about Reddit's "Crew" problem, shall we?

Unread post by Stierlitz » Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:51 am

EricBarbour wrote:
Stierlitz wrote:My conjecture for why no insider has gone to a real reporter to tell the facts is that a) they are afraid of being hauled into court over the child porn formerly(?) housed/linked to on Reddit
Presumably you are referring to r/gonewild, r/jailbait and similar areas. If Reddit itself hosts photos, I'd like to see where -- nearly every image posted on Reddit is on Imgur, and so Imgur would bear the burden of being a "child porn" portal.
along with all the copyright infringement that has happened on site since the beginning
Again, I can imagine there were subreddits where copyright violations could be shared, but where would they post the actual files?
and b) not even the moderators consider Reddit to be real. Yes, it pays them a wage and it exists in an office, but there is none of the solidity of working at The New York Times or the Rolling Rock bottling plant.
That I can believe. Typical of how Web 2.0 drones regard their employers, as fly-by-night operations. For good reason too.
Response to Point One: You are forgetting the private subreddits; if they are smart, they would also talk about everything in code, and the porn would be on a deep net site somewhere. A subreddit like that would not be huge, and it would appeal to the older, "creepy uncle" redditors out there who have been living double lives for ages. Of course, the true "deep dark secret" of Reddit might be something worse than child pornography, but whatever Cthulhu-like deep beast it is, I can't guess.

Response to Point Two: Some people like Andrew Couts consider Reddit's linking to copyrighted Imgur images as breaking Reddit's user agreement. The connections between Imgur and Reddit are deep; the founder of the photo-sharing site (Alan Schaaf) is a redditor. However it goes I don't know, because I'm not a copyright lawyer.

A corollary to part "b" of my conjecture: As with Wikipedia/Wikimedia there are a lot of embarrassing people and situations, of which Michael "Violentacrez" Brutsch is the tip of the iceberg. Would you, as a twenty-something Reddit employee, be willing to go on record discussing NoLibs, the prestige-whoring of Reddit Ask Me Anything sessions, and all the buried bodies in the basement? Not unless you have a job lined up working for Grandfather Millionaire's company.

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Unread post by Stierlitz » Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:52 am

Another addition to the Crew family of private subreddits: /r/chineselanterns, which was a UFO debunking forum and information exchange on the flying paper lanterns. It had been inactive for some time, and GiveYourBestEffort (aka Nolibs) was easily able to gain moderatorship, whereupon he made the subreddit private.

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Stierlitz wrote:Another addition to the Crew family of private subreddits: /r/chineselanterns, which was a UFO debunking forum and information exchange on the flying paper lanterns. It had been inactive for some time, and GiveYourBestEffort (aka Nolibs) was easily able to gain moderatorship, whereupon he made the subreddit private.
http://www.reddit.com/user/GiveYourBestEffort
Whatta dick. No one has noticed this yet? Or has he made so many insider friends, they tolerate his constant trolling?

This stuff would make a great post for the WO blog, because WP suffers from similar people. Sometimes probably the same people. But of course the trustees won't run it because it's "not a Wikipedia problem".

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Unread post by Stierlitz » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:36 am

EricBarbour wrote:
Stierlitz wrote:Another addition to the Crew family of private subreddits: /r/chineselanterns, which was a UFO debunking forum and information exchange on the flying paper lanterns. It had been inactive for some time, and GiveYourBestEffort (aka Nolibs) was easily able to gain moderatorship, whereupon he made the subreddit private.
http://www.reddit.com/user/GiveYourBestEffort
Whatta dick. No one has noticed this yet? Or has he made so many insider friends, they tolerate his constant trolling?

This stuff would make a great post for the WO blog, because WP suffers from similar people. Sometimes probably the same people. But of course the trustees won't run it because it's "not a Wikipedia problem".
....they tolerate his constant trolling?
Dirty little secret of Reddit: the Administration loves the drama for pageviews, but they will shadowban (make comments and usernames unreadable if they post) or completely ban people who create too much havoc. It's all just grist for the mill. They let him post under multiple accounts, and they banned him fifty times; so really, "Nolibs" is like a veteran heel wrestler in the WWE.
This stuff would make a great post for the WO blog.....of course the trustees won't run it because it's "not a Wikipedia problem".
You have a semi-famous blog; you could change gears for a fleeting moment and do a rant on this guy and his shitbird friends and the similarity to some of the WikiTrash you know and loathe. At this point, all the major social media sites share audiences, so of course the scumfucks of Wikipedia are the shitbiscuits of Reddit and the fucktards of Tumblr or Facebook or YouTube.

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Stierlitz wrote:You have a semi-famous blog; you could change gears for a fleeting moment and do a rant on this guy and his shitbird friends and the similarity to some of the WikiTrash you know and loathe. At this point, all the major social media sites share audiences, so of course the scumfucks of Wikipedia are the shitbiscuits of Reddit and the fucktards of Tumblr or Facebook or YouTube.
Hm, not a bad idea. My blog could be a lot more "famous", though.

Here's one that just ran today:

Ya can't even post one of the common ways to trick YT videos into playing without login -- then they take it down. Nasty email from Google legal? Or did Reddit shadow-censor itself?

http://www.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/com ... ithout_an/
LPT: Watch restricted youtube videos without an account.
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Unread post by Stierlitz » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:06 pm

Turns out there is a subreddit for "subreddit analysis"; this is a look at the overlap of users between r/conspiratard and a number of other subreddits, any recognized "Crew" subreddits are in bold.
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/r/conspiratard Drilldown May 2014

Of 3744 Users Found:
Subreddit...............Overlapping users
/r/SubredditDrama...........475
/r/TumblrInAction.............401
/r/cringepics.....................354
/r/conspiracy....................309
/r/Games..........................213
/r/EnoughLibertarianSpam 190
/r/lewronggeneration.......189
/r/cringe...........................180
/r/pcmasterrace...............174
/r/badhistory...................163
/r/forwardsfromgrandma.160
/r/skeptic.........................160
/r/thatHappened.............143
/r/facepalm......................133
/r/rage.............................130
/r/nfl.................................129
/r/circlebroke....................125
The actual list is much longer and available here: the concept being that there is a link between r/Conspiratard and r/SubredditDrama.

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Unread post by EricBarbour » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:05 am

Today's hot item: an AMA run by Glenn Greenwald and one of his reporting partners, Murtaza Hussain.

This comment by Greenwald got more than 2800 upvotes. Hit a nerve.
How do you feel about the fact that the moderators of /r/worldnews have a policy of filtering any story from The Intercept as "Opinion"?
Reddit is practicing censorship, pure and simple.

From the comments I've seen from the responsible moderators, the people doing this are partisan Democrats who want to conceal these stories because they perceive that it reflects poorly on Obama.

The reporting we have done has won the Pulitzer, the Polk, and basically every other news reporting prize in the west.

Only on Reddit are our stories deemed something other than "news".

It's pitiful.

EDIT: To be clear, my understanding of how this all works is that Reddit itself isn't doing the censoring, but rather the moderators who have been empowered.

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Unread post by Johnny Au » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:09 pm

If Reddit is popular with leftists, then why are there many bigots?

Men’s rights is a very reactionary countermovement.

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Unread post by Stierlitz » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:37 am

Johnny Au wrote:If Reddit is popular with leftists, then why are there many bigots?

Men’s rights is a very reactionary countermovement.
The MRA sub-forum, like all the loony sub-forums ("subreddits") is not one of the default subreddits, so you can avoid it if you aren't looking for it. If you don't want /r/spacedicks*, /r/nationalsocialism, /r/ShitRedditSays, etc. you don't have to. That's how you can have Nazis, college liberals, libertarians, and Communists in the same space.

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Unread post by Johnny Au » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:16 am

I get it now.

At least prudish moral guardians and libertine frat boys can have their own space on Reddit, as long as they don't visit the other's subreddit.

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Johnny Au wrote:I get it now.

At least prudish moral guardians and libertine frat boys can have their own space on Reddit, as long as they don't visit the other's subreddit.
That's the "genius" of the whole thing; by allowing micro-niches Reddit can have scads of users who never truly know how utterly fucked up the place is, because those people create their own little online Duchy of Grand Fenwick. Notice how this would be similar to the psychotic break the presence of Cthulhu would induce in a H.P. Lovecraft character.

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Unread post by Johnny Au » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:45 pm

Now we know why CGP Grey is not disgusted by Reddit's subculture.

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Unread post by EricBarbour » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:12 pm

http://www.salon.com/2014/07/07/i_was_a ... childhood/
It’s hard to believe but Fox News was once taken (somewhat) seriously before it descended into farce. Perhaps there is some outlet now that is corrupting the youth with the execrable, borderline inhumane battle cries of conservatism. Maybe the libertarian, sexist bastion that is Reddit fulfills the same role for young Americans that Fox News fulfills for old ones. Maybe 10 years from now someone will write about trusting in r/MensRights or another sordid subreddit the same way I blindly trusted in Fox News.
Hmmm.....

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EricBarbour wrote:http://www.salon.com/2014/07/07/i_was_a ... childhood/
It’s hard to believe but Fox News was once taken (somewhat) seriously before it descended into farce. Perhaps there is some outlet now that is corrupting the youth with the execrable, borderline inhumane battle cries of conservatism. Maybe the libertarian, sexist bastion that is Reddit fulfills the same role for young Americans that Fox News fulfills for old ones. Maybe 10 years from now someone will write about trusting in r/MensRights or another sordid subreddit the same way I blindly trusted in Fox News.
Hmmm.....
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Unread post by Stierlitz » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:24 pm

Getting back to matter at hand, something should be said about the Crew's mirror parody of /r/nolibswatch, /r/stalkerwatch.....this link is a good example of the crap that goes on there. They have a `bot which looks for anything on /r/nolibswatch that might be drama-worthy, and then they post it on StalkerWatch. Notice the sidebar, which has this bit of lugubrious hyperbole:
For Victims:

This subreddit is a support group for the thousands, if not millions, of innocent reddit users who have been gang stalked and smeared by the unstable hordes of /r/conspiracy and /r/NoLibsWatch. We also promote awareness and document their bigotry.
....When most of the users of that subreddit are members of the Crew: jcm267, GiveYourBestEffort (Nolibs), NYPD32, TheGhostofNYPD32, Herkimer, Robotevil, etc.

Here is a recent example:
Greeny uses a sockpuppet to call Nolibs an old lady, then uses a different sockpuppet to post about it at NLW. (np.reddit.com)

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What was the other account? I knew about the /u/Okupier account, he created it to reply to me from a subreddit he was already banned from.

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[–]jcm267 [Model redditor and owner of 5+ year old account] 1 point 1 day ago

I don't recall. It's all been removed by the mods.

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Greeny is really losing it. Someone needs to get him committed to a mental hospital ASAP.

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That's impressively stupid, even for green-light

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All that was two days ago over here; I challenge anyone to look at all seven months of that subreddit's existence where the key members aren't involved with posts or comments. And like with all their auxiliary subreddits, right now it goes weeks without a new post.

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I think it would be best for Reddit to make a clean break with the Crew, to shut down all their subreddits and ban all the members by their IPs. The Crew is a waste of time and energy, and they have become the internet equivalent of absentee commercial landlords, presiding over empty or half-dead subreddits that are just dead weight.

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Stierlitz wrote:I think it would be best for Reddit to make a clean break with the Crew, to shut down all their subreddits and ban all the members by their IPs. The Crew is a waste of time and energy, and they have become the internet equivalent of absentee commercial landlords, presiding over empty or half-dead subreddits that are just dead weight.
That would be even less likely than Wikipedia "reforming" itself. It's quite clear that Reddit moderators find this kind of crap "amusing", so they will continue to facilitate it. Every one of these "communities" ends up looking and operating much as Usenet did, with trolls and spammers and power-obsessed maniacs and outright crazy people, all colliding in slow motion.
jcm267 wrote:It's more fun this way. Some of the idiots, one of them in particular lives for this, will often be there to reply to my posts and comments by intentionally taking things out of context, lying, or exaggerating things. The others do the same thing from their little stalking subreddit. All I do to "poke the hornet's nest" at this point is go out and post the truth. Occasionally I post stuff such as this that I'm sure gets them agitated, but so what?

They are an assortment of conspiracy nuts, racists, and just plain mentally ill people. They want all of the people they stalk to go away. As long as I am using reddit I'm not giving them that satisfaction.

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EricBarbour wrote:
Stierlitz wrote:I think it would be best for Reddit to make a clean break with the Crew, to shut down all their subreddits and ban all the members by their IPs. The Crew is a waste of time and energy, and they have become the internet equivalent of absentee commercial landlords, presiding over empty or half-dead subreddits that are just dead weight.
That would be even less likely than Wikipedia "reforming" itself. It's quite clear that Reddit moderators find this kind of crap "amusing", so they will continue to facilitate it. Every one of these "communities" ends up looking and operating much as Usenet did, with trolls and spammers and power-obsessed maniacs and outright crazy people, all colliding in slow motion.
I know that it won't happen, I was just being rhetorical...."this kind of crap" will sink Reddit in the long run; there is already a Reddit ripoff called Whoaverse which is beginning to take off, made up of people tired of the original site's games.

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Unread post by Johnny Au » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:58 pm

Stierlitz was kind enough to show me this video (it is a response to CGP Grey's Reddit video):

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Unread post by Textnyymi » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:59 pm

In the meantime, Reddit's rank on Alexa is rising and is now ranked 52nd in the world and 18th in the USA.

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Textnyymi wrote:In the meantime, Reddit's rank on Alexa is rising and is now ranked 52nd in the world and 18th in the USA.
Thanks for reminding me.....ugh......
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