Existential crisis at Encyclopedia Dramatica

Triptych · Unread post by **Triptych** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:03 pm

thekohser wrote:What questions do you still have after reading Encyclopedia Dramatica (T-H-L) and all of the reliable sources linked from there?

Like I told another person that private messaged me, excuse me, I did not suppose ED would have a Wikipedia article. I see now that it has an extensive and notorious history. Thank you for the tip.

I guess I'd still be interested to hear opinion on whether those web advertisements here and there all over the site are generating revenue enough to cover upkeep or a bit more.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:27 pm

Triptych wrote:
thekohser wrote:What questions do you still have after reading Encyclopedia Dramatica (T-H-L) and all of the reliable sources linked from there?
Like I told another person that private messaged me, excuse me, I did not suppose ED would have a Wikipedia article. I see now that it has an extensive and notorious history. Thank you for the tip.

I guess I'd still be interested to hear opinion on whether those web advertisements here and there all over the site are generating revenue enough to cover upkeep or a bit more.

I saw they moved ED to Wikia for a while but it eventually got axed there too. I can't imagine it would be that hard to setup, but given the nature of some of the content they would need to host in someplace that had a pretty liberal liability policy. Certainly anywhere in the US or UK would be shut down pretty quick.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:41 pm

ED can't set up in Canada either, since it has strict anti-cyberbullying laws.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:39 pm

Triptych wrote:
thekohser wrote:What questions do you still have after reading Encyclopedia Dramatica (T-H-L) and all of the reliable sources linked from there?
Like I told another person that private messaged me, excuse me, I did not suppose ED would have a Wikipedia article. I see now that it has an extensive and notorious history. Thank you for the tip.

I guess I'd still be interested to hear opinion on whether those web advertisements here and there all over the site are generating revenue enough to cover upkeep or a bit more.

I'm more interested in spyware and sundry nasties that seem to be lurking around every time I touch that site.

RfB

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:29 am

You need to talk to Alison. She used to be a big cheese there.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:42 am

Poetlister wrote:You need to talk to Alison. She used to be a big cheese there.

We have bigger ED cheeses than even Alison as members.
We have a bit of an ED community here, quietly participating.
Big tent (T-H-L) here.

Hex · Unread post by **Hex** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:52 pm

Zoloft wrote: We have a bit of an ED community here, quietly participating.

Sending messages to each other in broad daylight, steganographically hidden in public posts using seekret ED codes.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:02 pm

Hex wrote:
Zoloft wrote: We have a bit of an ED community here, quietly participating.
Sending messages to each other in broad daylight, steganographically hidden in public posts using seekret ED codes.

I still regret making "Scott Martin is a prat" the code for "Hello".
Sorry about that.

Stierlitz · Unread post by **Stierlitz** » Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:28 pm

Rimshot offstage.

Hex · Unread post by **Hex** » Sat Jul 05, 2014 11:08 pm

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:10 pm

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/index. ... cid=832089

Hey Wnt, it's me CensoredScribe. I slipped up and didn't take a screen capture, but Ryulongs been white washing the edit history on Wikipedia; made it look like I reverted myself 5 minutes after the fact on super sentai, but nothing else, during that size change categorization edit war. Also erased me asking for the permission to add to his majesty Ryulongs article turf, even though I asked politely on his talk page. I was hoping someone here might be able to collect evidence and get David Gerard and Ryulong both banned from Wikipedia and hopefully arrested. Right now they are flash mob castrating me of sysops privlidges and putting me in the vandal bin on Rationalwiki; even though I'm on most of their pages as Exiled Encyclopedist. David Gerard white washed the presidents of category slaveholder but left Muhhamad; he's an Islamophobe and a historically revisionist racist. Ryulongs edit warring rape isn't unremitting horror; and pretending to be gay and afraid I'm going to call on Annonymous to dox him, rather than get his ass caught fucking with the logs and reported to the feds; which would do more damage and be more just.

I know it's been a long time no see, could you help me? I've heard Ryulong got doxed here and I've already read the page on David Gerard which no one wants to talk about on Rational Wiki. I would like to add that Gerard wants to fuck a human animal chimera with questionable ability to consent, seeing as he defends bestiality and is edit warring over Rational Wiki's page for genetic engineering to exclude Britain's become the island of Dr. Moreau. David Gerard reminds me alot of J Edgar Hoover and Buffalo Bill. He's probably going to start attributing my edits to others; doesn't want me having influence through the Gautama Buddha page or telling people about zombie powder and conceiving their own primitive streak stage emrbyo's to avoid crippling medical debt, fopr medical care that still leaves one crippled an on pharamcuticals not even tested on female lab rats. He/she/that ass hole told me he has access to Rational Wiki's servers and can erase me from history at any time. Is it true I can find some feds here, I just found out interpol is a joke with an 86 million a year budget?

Oh yeah, check out my edits on Wikipedia to random material substances like concrete, plastic, black carbon, titanium, and gold; I wanted to develop the bacteriotherapy for alveolar macrophage idea a bit more by collecting some organisms that might be useful. Also please check out the shit storm on Rational Wiki's chicken coop. It's good to speak with you again, I didn't make too many friends on Wikipedia. I also wrote a bunch of Uncyclopedia stuff as Irritable of Contents putting fiction on trial, like with Darth Vader.

I finally figured out what your name is a reference to after looking through some pop science, it's a chemical involved in forming memories, correct? [[User:CensoredScribe|CensoredScribe]] 12:37, 10 January 2015 (EST)

Similar rant on Gerard's ED article.
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/index. ... did=704850

The guy's userpage on RW.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User:Exiled_Encyclopedist
Yep, blocked by Gerard for "(EE is posting about my personal life)".
So, David, are you in fact interested in fucking human-animal chimeras?

Wikipedia, ED, RationalWiki, what's the difference? Same bunch of crazies on all of 'em.
And David Gerard = COMEDY.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:55 pm

I wouldn't trust "CensoredScribe". I undid his or her revisions to Gerald's article.

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:14 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:I wouldn't trust "CensoredScribe". I undid his or her revisions to Gerald's article.

Gerald?

And why would you "not trust" them any more or less than any other anonymous contributor?

Do you think they are not the same person as the wikipedia "CensoredScribe", and if so, why is that important?

I'm with Eric: Same bunch of crazies on all of 'em.

But I confess, your link just made my eyes glaze over, so if there was something which explained it all, and its importance, I probably didn't get that far. In that case, sorry.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:47 pm

Jim wrote:
Michaeldsuarez wrote:I wouldn't trust "CensoredScribe". I undid his or her revisions to Gerald's article.
Gerald? :XD

And why would you "not trust" them any more or less than any other anonymous contributor?

Do you think they are not the same person as the wikipedia "CensoredScribe", and if so, why is that important?

I'm with Eric: Same bunch of crazies on all of 'em.

But I confess, your link just made my eyes glaze over, so if there was something which explained it all, I probably didn't get that far. In that case, sorry.

I meant "Gerard" but I'm glad to have made you smile.

Have you read anything CensoredScribe said? Have you read through his (Exiled_Encyclopedist's) RationalWiki's contributions? Most anons at least know how to speak and present themselves sensibly. Even EricBarbour uses the word "rant" in his post. What do you see when you read CensoredScribe's posts?

Wikipedia's CensoredScribe is a friend of Wnt and was involved in an argument with Ryulong. He's hasn't given me a reason to believe they're not the same person. Why do you believe that I would doubt that they're the same person? There isn't any benefit to impersonating CensoredScribe. Is CensoredScribe's involvement in Wikipedia important? Yes, the conflict on RationalWiki stems from earlier issues on Wikipedia, and it shows why CensoredScribe would approach Wnt at ED. It's also why he or she chose "CensoredScribe" as an username at ED rather than "Exiled_Encyclopedist"; he or she wanted to use an username that Wnt would recognize.

However, as everyone is saying, Same bunch of crazies on all of 'em, so I rather not spent too much time here berating one and defending another.

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:35 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:
Jim wrote:
Michaeldsuarez wrote:I wouldn't trust "CensoredScribe". I undid his or her revisions to Gerald's article.
Gerald?

And why would you "not trust" them any more or less than any other anonymous contributor?

Do you think they are not the same person as the wikipedia "CensoredScribe", and if so, why is that important?

I'm with Eric: Same bunch of crazies on all of 'em.

But I confess, your link just made my eyes glaze over, so if there was something which explained it all, I probably didn't get that far. In that case, sorry.
I meant "Gerard" but I'm glad to have made you smile.

Have you read anything CensoredScribe said? Have you read through his (Exiled_Encyclopedist's) RationalWiki's contributions? Most anons at least know how to speak and present themselves sensibly. Even EricBarbour uses the word "rant" in his post. What do you see when you read CensoredScribe's posts?

Wikipedia's CensoredScribe is a friend of Wnt and was involved in an argument with Ryulong. He's hasn't given me a reason to believe they're not the same person. Why do you believe that I would doubt that they're the same person? There isn't any benefit to impersonating CensoredScribe. Is CensoredScribe's involvement in Wikipedia important? Yes, the conflict on RationalWiki stems from earlier issues on Wikipedia, and it shows why CensoredScribe would approach Wnt at ED. It's also why he or she chose "CensoredScribe" as an username at ED rather than "Exiled_Encyclopedist"; he or she wanted to use an username that Wnt would recognize.

However, as everyone is saying, Same bunch of crazies on all of 'em, so I rather not spent too much time here berating one and defending another.

Don't be offended, Michael.

I just don't get any of it, and I thought you might explain. You did that a bit now.
"CensoredScribe is a friend of Wnt and was involved in an argument with Ryulong.". I didn't know that. Why would I?

Wnt is a triple certified nutcase, Gerard is Gerard, and CensoredScribe is a minor name I once heard in an argument about categories or something.

It's not that I don't want to understand, it's just that, so far, I don't. Any of it. Sorry. I'm thick.

Maybe I need a wider picture, or maybe I need to be discounted from the conversation for not knowing the intricacies in advance, and just butt out.

Either is good. Honestly.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:38 pm

Jim wrote:Don't be offended, Michael.

I just don't get any of it, and I thought you might explain. You did that a bit now.
"CensoredScribe is a friend of Wnt and was involved in an argument with Ryulong.". I didn't know that. Why would I?

Wnt is a triple certified nutcase, Gerard is Gerard, and CensoredScribe is a minor name I once heard in an argument about categories or something.

It's not that I don't want to understand, it's just that, so far, I don't. Any of it. Sorry. I'm thick.

Maybe I need a wider picture, or maybe I need to be discounted from the conversation for not knowing the intricacies in advance, and just butt out.

Either is good. Honestly.

Alright, sorry.

Also,

http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki%3AChicken_coop&diff=1406184&oldid=1406182

David Gerard wrote::There's basically nothing to be done about ED; I ignore it. Just take heart that it's actually moved up in moral fibre since DeGrippo gave up - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 16:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

As an insider who has served as a sysop under Sherrod, Ryan, Garret, and Zaiger, I know that the opposite is true. Gerard is delusional.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:39 pm

Michaeldsuarez wrote:http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki%3AChicken_coop&diff=1406184&oldid=1406182

David Gerard wrote::There's basically nothing to be done about ED; I ignore it. Just take heart that it's actually moved up in moral fibre since DeGrippo gave up - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 16:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
As an insider who has served as a sysop under Sherrod, Ryan, Garret, and Zaiger, I know that the opposite is true. Gerard is delusional.

May I quote you?

Cla68 · Unread post by **Cla68** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:41 pm

These guys' entire lives appear to revolve around messing with the Internet and certain websites and following certain Internet personalities. What are they going to do if the Internet goes down hard for a few days? Or, if it's suddenly replaced by a new technology? Gerard, at least, appears to have a hobby (if that's the best word for it) that gets him out of the house sometimes to interact with actual people. Ryulong and some of these others who waste vast amounts of time online don't appear to get out too much.

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:00 am

EricBarbour wrote:
Michaeldsuarez wrote:http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki%3AChicken_coop&diff=1406184&oldid=1406182

David Gerard wrote::There's basically nothing to be done about ED; I ignore it. Just take heart that it's actually moved up in moral fibre since DeGrippo gave up - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 16:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
As an insider who has served as a sysop under Sherrod, Ryan, Garret, and Zaiger, I know that the opposite is true. Gerard is delusional.
May I quote you?

Go ahead.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:38 am

Cla68 wrote:Gerard, at least, appears to have a hobby (if that's the best word for it) that gets him out of the house sometimes to interact with actual people.

With "human-animal chimeras", you mean.

When pigs fly · Unread post by **When pigs fly** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:56 pm

Wildly entertaining, but so annoying to read content with popups and sending you to the App Store. Is there a technical way to avoid all of this nonsense?

mac · Unread post by **mac** » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:07 pm

When pigs fly wrote:Wildly entertaining, but so annoying to read content with popups and sending you to the App Store. Is there a technical way to avoid all of this nonsense?

AdBlock Plus helps a lot.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:28 am

ED is the most annoying site I've ever had the displeasure of visiting. Phishing links galore and porno popups. Destroy with fire.

RfB

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:57 am

mac wrote:
When pigs fly wrote:Wildly entertaining, but so annoying to read content with popups and sending you to the App Store. Is there a technical way to avoid all of this nonsense?
AdBlock Plus helps a lot.

NoScript catches most of the rest.

Unread post by **tarantino** » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:17 am

When pigs fly wrote:Is there a technical way to avoid all of this nonsense?

Add the following to your hosts file. In windows, it's usually located at C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\Etc\hosts. In Unix type OSes, it's usually at /etc/hosts.

127.0.0.1 encyclopediadramatica.se

HTH

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:37 am

http://www.wikipedia-sucks-badly.blogsp ... pedia.html

Suck it.

Earthy Astringent · Unread post by **Earthy Astringent** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:43 am

There are pills for that

Unread post by **tarantino** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:55 am

EricBarbour wrote:http://www.wikipedia-sucks-badly.blogsp ... pedia.html

Suck it.

Thanks, Lavrentiy Beria (Jr). BTW, you got Euryalus wrong. Remember when I sent you that link last year?

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:17 am

I liked it. Left a comment.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:26 am

Earthy Astringent wrote:There are pills for that

Take the Blue pill, not the Red one!

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:42 am

tarantino wrote:you got Euryalus wrong. Remember when I sent you that link last year?

Please, feel free to refresh my memory.

Textnyymi · Unread post by **Textnyymi** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:32 pm

"Why I left 4chan":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhx6IfKrvEQ

"Why I left 4chan counterargument":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLt3vKWgJKI

The Internet sucks! I'm going to log off the Internet, and then I'm going back to log on the Internet

Unread post by **tarantino** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:15 am

EricBarbour wrote:
tarantino wrote:you got Euryalus wrong. Remember when I sent you that link last year?
Please, feel free to refresh my memory.

I sent you the link in the comment here on Dec 17, 2014. I've never shared it with anyone else.

Tarc · Unread post by **Tarc** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:11 pm

ED is such a mixed-bag. Their articles on batshit entitlement drama collectives like Juggalos or furries are pretty good, but the deep dives into specifically obscure deviantart spats is just plain uninteresting to 99% of the readers. Like the Wikipedia, the editors who write those sorts of articles are doing it for the sake of themselves in a "this is mine look at what I created!" manner, rather than writing to inform the public of a topic. Most wiki-space projects are temples to one's own ego.

I wrote one article there, Alexander Pistoletov, and haven't been back much since. I'm not on the "ED sucks" bandwagon, but it is something that I've personally just moved on from.

Hex · Unread post by **Hex** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:22 pm

Interesting read. Thanks for pointing out the abandoned realm of LiveJournal articles on ED - what a time capsule.

A bit of browsing around led me to the article about Erik Möller, which has this great nugget, in an email from Danny (T-C-L) about some ancient drama in 2006:

7. Yesterday afternoon, Erik entered the debate by unblocking the article and stating emphatically that there were no grounds for it to be protected.

8. This was discussed with Brad. At that time, there was no doubt in our minds that Erik was acting recklessly to score a point and win himself credit as a community hero against the ogre that is the Foundation.

And to think, this is the guy who would end up as the Foundation's man, forcing Superprotect on the community eight years later.

George Orwell wrote: The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

Hex · Unread post by **Hex** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:33 pm

HAHAHA. I love it.

Thanks Eric!

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:45 pm

Fox Web Security considers ED "an unsafe website."

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:50 pm

Johnny Au wrote:Fox Web Security considers ED "an unsafe website."

As indeed it should; it's a very dodgy site from all sorts of points of view.

The Joy · Unread post by **The Joy** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:21 am

Hex wrote:HAHAHA. I love it. Thanks Eric!

Careful. Remember what they did to MONGO (T-C-L) years ago? Some ED jackass will replace your picture with a walrus having sex with an antelope and give you an unflattering biography.

Unread post by **Smiley** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:50 am

I was just surfing ED sans anti-virus software, then a few minutes later, went to check out Bashar al-Assad's page on WP...

...which had undergone a miraculous transformation!

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:36 pm

The Joy wrote:Some ED jackass will replace your picture with a walrus having sex with an antelope and give you an unflattering biography.

At least on WP they rarely use that type of photo in a BLP.

The Joy · Unread post by **The Joy** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:38 am

Poetlister wrote:
The Joy wrote:Some ED jackass will replace your picture with a walrus having sex with an antelope and give you an unflattering biography.
At least on WP they rarely use that type of photo in a BLP.

Wikipedia is far worse than ED in that anyone reading ED will realize it isn't a good education resource to say the least, but many accept Wikipedia as being a factual encyclopedia.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:14 pm

Not just that, but Wikipedia is not flagged by Fox Web Security as "unsafe."

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:07 pm

Johnny Au wrote:Not just that, but Wikipedia is not flagged by Fox Web Security as "unsafe."

"Unsafe" isn't referring to the obvious content, though maybe it should. It refers to the risk of geting a virus or other malware.

The Joy · Unread post by **The Joy** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:29 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Johnny Au wrote:Not just that, but Wikipedia is not flagged by Fox Web Security as "unsafe."
"Unsafe" isn't referring to the obvious content, though maybe it should. It refers to the risk of geting a virus or other malware.

I still remember visiting Wikipedia in 2004/2005 before Cascade protection and being greeted by giant dongs on the main page. Now, you have to go AN/I to find them.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:21 pm

The Joy wrote:I still remember visiting Wikipedia in 2004/2005 before Cascade protection and being greeted by giant dongs on the main page. Now, you have to go AN/I to find them.

Or RfA or any of the other drama boards.

I hardly ever look at the main page; I've bookmarked my watchlist and go straight there.

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:41 pm

Poetlister wrote:
The Joy wrote:I still remember visiting Wikipedia in 2004/2005 before Cascade protection and being greeted by giant dongs on the main page. Now, you have to go AN/I to find them.
Or RfA or any of the other drama boards.

I hardly ever look at the main page; I've bookmarked my watchlist and go straight there.

I don't read the main page at all. I too bookmark my watchlist and read from there.

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:22 pm

Poetlister wrote:I hardly ever look at the main page; I've bookmarked my watchlist and go straight there.

Johnny Au wrote:I don't read the main page at all. I too bookmark my watchlist and read from there.

I never look at it either, unless something of interest on the page is pointed out. I'd guess the same is true for many "regulars".

Nevertheless, if you believe Wikipedia:Pageview statistics (T-H-L) *, and the linked tool:

(That's a snapshot - click image for "latest stats".)

*

Wikipedia:Pageview statistics wrote:Pageview stats refers to the number of times a particular page has been requested. Using this external link (maintained by user:Henrik), it is possible to see how many times any Wikipedia page name has been requested since 2007, for each day, month and for the previous 60 or 90 days. These figures do not reflect the number of unique visitors a page has received. They also do not reflect how often the page has been read or even viewed.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:56 pm

Jim wrote:
Poetlister wrote:I hardly ever look at the main page; I've bookmarked my watchlist and go straight there.
Johnny Au wrote:I don't read the main page at all. I too bookmark my watchlist and read from there.
I never look at it either, unless something of interest on the page is pointed out. I'd guess the same is true for many "regulars".

Nevertheless, if you believe Wikipedia:Pageview statistics (T-H-L) *, and the linked tool:

It's scarcely surprising that most people going to Wikipedia (other than through a Google search or a link) would go to the main page. But it says that "This article ranked 2 in traffic on en.wikipedia.org." What beats it? Jimbo's talk page?

turnedworm · Unread post by **turnedworm** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:02 pm

Poetlister wrote:It's scarcely surprising that most people going to Wikipedia (other than through a Google search or a link) would go to the main page. But it says that "This article ranked 2 in traffic on en.wikipedia.org." What beats it? Jimbo's talk page?

Two of the top 3 are a little... odd. http://stats.grok.se/en/top