The Wikipedia monster gleefully tears down the future Queen of England

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Re: The Wikipedia monster gleefully tears down the future Queen of England

Unread post by Kraken » Sun Apr 07, 2024 1:54 pm

I mean FFS.
We needn't anticipate anything, given the coverage of the gossip and its fallout has already been discussed in reliable sources: USA Today, The Seattle Times (originally published by Mercury News), Harper's Bazaar, etc. Heck, the Archbishop of Canterbury commented on the matter. This is a notable incident with widespread, reliable coverage. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia wrote:Days before the announcement, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, criticised the spread of conspiracy theories, arguing that people should be able to "live their lives in peace without everyone demanding that they prove something every other day". He also likened the spread to "village gossip".[111]
You get to the point you genuinely wonder what this person would say if the quote had been......
We are obsessed with conspiracy and we have little sense of the humanity of those who are caught in the glare of the news......It doesn’t matter who it is, people should be allowed to be ill, have an operation, whatever it is, and to live their lives in peace without everyone demanding that they prove something every other day.......It’s the web that has made these conspiracy theories, for all kinds of people, run riot........It’s extremely unhealthy. It’s just old-fashioned village gossip that can now go round the world in seconds. We have to turn away from that. Gossiping in that way is wrong.

It is also wrong to pretend there is anything deep and meaningful about this latest example of our capacity for inhumanity, so it can be documented and dissected as a lasting monument.
The irony of course is that all the newspapers gleefully ran with this quote to build yet more articles about this "frenzy". Which they are quite happy to pretend, it seems, that they too are not part of the frenzy, feeding it, they are merely documenting it. That's forgivable in a way. They're newspapers. It will fade in time, if not really quite quickly.

Wikipedia does not. Wikipedia has the power (and the clear eyed intent) to preserve such first hand accounts for all time, as references. They honestly won't care if better, more distant, sources emerge, these will still be retained, because you must keep proving "notability is not temporary". Like nobody else on Wikipedia has ever hear that phrase.

I'm really starting to think there has been a major brain drain from Wikipedia, potentiallly years in the making, and nobody has quite noticed yet. The good old boiling frog.
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Re: The Wikipedia monster gleefully tears down the future Queen of England

Unread post by Alalch Emis » Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:59 am

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Re: The Wikipedia monster gleefully tears down the future Queen of England

Unread post by Elinruby » Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:15 am

Alalch Emis wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:59 am
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Media coverage of the public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Convalescence period of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Media firestorm over the public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Media frenzy around the public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Media circus around the public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page 2023–24 public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Catherine, Princess of Wales public absence controversy ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Photogate ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Convalescence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Media frenzy of the public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Speculation about the absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Media frenzy about the public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page 2024 public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Speculation surrounding the health, absence and Mother’s Day photograph of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Katespiracies ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Speculation surrounding the absence and Mother’s Day photograph of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Where's Kate ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Catherine, Princess of Wales in 2024 ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Conspiracy theories about the public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page 2023-24 public absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Speculation about the health of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Media coverage of Catherine, Princess of Wales’s public absence ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Conspiracy theories about the health of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Kate Middleton public absence controversy ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page KateGate ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Catherine, Princess of Wales health conspiracy theories ...
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01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Health and appearance of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Mother's Day photograph of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Catherine, Princess of Wales photograph scandal ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Catherine, Princess of Wales health concerns ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Conspiracy theories about the absence of Catherine, Princess of Wales ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Katespiracy ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Kategate ...
01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Where's Kate? ...
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01:40, 8 April 2024 ... deleted page Talk:Where is Kate? ...
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Re: The Wikipedia monster gleefully tears down the future Queen of England

Unread post by Kraken » Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:04 am

Well they got there on the end. The fact it required a SHIT TON of words, time and effort, means they do not get their congratulatory cookie. I ated it.

This entire CIRCUS would never have even happened had an Administrator simply had the get up and go and the common fucking sense to reverse IgnatiusofLondon's creation of an article on 11 March citing BLP. Then have a quiet word with him about the importance of listening to experienced editors when it comes to BLPs. If he needed more convincing, as we saw, a post at BLP/N would have set him on the right path.

It feels too easy to blame this critical mistake on the Active Admin crunch. It is precisely because of the fact that by 11 March this was trending all over the place, that it would and should have been a high priority. I can therefore only assume it is far more likely that multiple Admins just decided it was someone else's job, or the Wikipedia monster would somehow do the right thing all by itself.

Shame on you.

Seriously. If you are reading this, survey the effects of your cowardice, the sheer amount of wasted time and effort, and question whether you deserve to be an Administrator. As has been noted, this wasn't a major controversy requiring such a voluminous debate. This was at most, a dispute over policy. And I dispute even that. COATRACK is crystal clear.

If every Admin who couldn't or wouldn't have acted at that critical moment had they seen it, or indeed doesn't think the deletion is backed in policy, resigned right now, perhaps then we would see the true magnitude of the Admin crisis Wikipedia is in.

And it seems even the final act was marred by one final piece of Admin dysfunction, relating to the very last line of the AfD closure.

Quite incredibly, apparently legacy Admin Jclemens thinks the correct way to deal with the fact a fellow Admin deleted the redirect Where Is Kate? with (albeit implied not directly stated) consensus it was a BLP action, is to unilaterally reverse it and offer their explanation after the event.

It's worth noting that even now, with the article gone, Googling Where Is Kate? brings this wierd snippet as the top result....
Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki

Where is Kate?

Catherine, Princess of Wales, was not seen officially in public from Christmas Day in 2023 until her recorded television announcement on 22 March 2024 that ...
Seen officially?

Sounds an awfully like this "Wikipedia" dude agrees with the suggestion something is afoot.

Leave the Princess alone, you fucking monster.

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Re: The Wikipedia monster gleefully tears down the future Queen of England

Unread post by Vigilant » Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:22 pm

Is there an extension to the PHP framework that would replace the contents of each Crow post with the en.wp 'recent changes' and then ROT13 them?

I feel like we'd be getting more cogent postings.
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Re: The Wikipedia monster gleefully tears down the future Queen of England

Unread post by Zoloft » Tue Apr 09, 2024 1:45 pm

Well, I'm glad THAT's over.

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