WP Sado-Masochism Festival — It's 2018 Arbcom Election Time!

[Randy from Boise]

As an aspiring numerologist, I found it auspicious that The Wind Crying Isarra got 444 votes, that Fred's net vote was -333 and Gorilla Warfare's was +666.

WHERE IS YOUR INNOCENT LITTLE GW NOW, KUMIOKO? TREMBLE IN FEAR, FUTHERMUCKER, THE BEAST HAS BEEN REVEALED!!! (AND YOU ARE ON THE NOT NICE LIST!!!)

RfB

ROFL, Just because she got elected doesn't mean anything. I mean I voted for Fred...like a lot! Courcelles and AGK also both got elected and they are both horrible arbs and admins and both are horrible selections for arb!

Don't deflect from the fearsome truth...

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RfB

[Kingsindian]

There's nothing wrong with having lots of "neutral" votes, in theory or in practice.

[Beeblebrox]

Four of mine got in (Mkdw, GW, SilkTork, Joe Roe)

Courcelles is a great editor when he's not an Arb. Hopefully he'll manage to combine the two this time.

AGK, who fucks off for three years, and just about managed 1,000 edits this year? Seriously? You're idiots.

I was surprised about AGK winding up where he did. I suspect that taking that time off actualy helped.

[Jim]

There's nothing wrong with having lots of "neutral" votes, in theory or in practice.

Indeed - and the way Arbcom elections work is that if you want to support or oppose anybody on the ballot then your position for everybody on the ballot is recorded as S/N/O. Neutral is the 'default' and has no effect whatsoever on the maths used to calculate the outcome. If you couldn't choose neutral then you'd be forced to support/oppose candidates for whom you have no wish to do either, because you cannot decide or do not wish to opine. You could say "well, why not allow voters to only 'vote' for/against particular candidates?", but by basically ignoring neutral votes that's exactly what the system already does. Of course, this means that a neutral vote can be considered a "wasted" vote if you just want to have the maximum effect for candidates you support/oppose - but that's unavoidable unless you are willing to make that binary choice for each candidate. I think people might be unhappy with a system which forced them to say "yes" or "no" for every candidate in order to be able to do so for the one or two they might care about. It's just terminology - a neutral vote for a particular candidate is an abstention regarding them.

More 'interesting' might be a ballot where you selected between -5 and +5 for each candidate, including the default option of 0 (neutral). Each voter would still have the same potential influence on the result as any other - but the strength of support/opposition would also be a factor. At the moment there is no difference in the maths between "oppose, marginally, but I'm almost on the fence with this candidate" and "shit no, never, would be an absolute disaster". I expect lots of folks would just stick in all +5/-5 votes to try to give their opinion more 'weight', but the opportunity would be there for more nuanced voting, and this would be taken into account where used.

[Dysklyver]

Sounds like you're really complaining about your theme.

I will try and find a better one then.

[Poetlister]

ROFL, Just because she got elected doesn't mean anything. I mean I voted for Fred...like a lot! Courcelles and AGK also both got elected and they are both horrible arbs and admins and both are horrible selections for arb!

This leads to the question of why Kumioko assumes that he's right and the hundreds and hundreds of other people who voted are wrong. As a voter myself (only one vote), I feel insulted.

[charliemouse]

I was surprised to see Drmies not get enough votes. If I had to guess, it was his attitude toward civility, which differed from the other candidates and also reflected his own behavior.
For instance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _and_Cases

"Civility" encompasses so many things, and so many of those things are highly gradable? If I come to your house and you don't offer me coffee and cake, I might find you very uncivil--but I know that's my idea of civility, which includes hospitality. And some editors exchange and accept words and phrases in the give and take of debate that others find totally unacceptable. Given that wide range I don't think we'll ever come to some agreement over what is and what isn't civil.

Basically he's saying that there's no such thing as civility. He sure acts as if he doesn't accept the concept.

[Dysklyver]

I am reasonably sure many many Wikipedians don't understand the concept, that's partly why Wikipedia is considered to be so toxic.

[Poetlister]

I am reasonably sure many many Wikipedians don't understand the concept, that's partly why Wikipedia is considered to be so toxic.

Very true. It may be hypothesised that the sort of people who edit Wikipedia regularly are more likely than average to be the sort of people who get on badly with others face to face.

[charliemouse]

Drmies was also a pal of Jytdog, so his loss will not aid in the Dawg's Re-Entry Mission.

[Kumioko]

Drmies was also a pal of Jytdog, so his loss will not aid in the Dawg's Re-Entry Mission.

Good!

[Dysklyver]

Drmies was also a pal of Jytdog, so his loss will not aid in the Dawg's Re-Entry Mission.

Good!

Yeah I think the consensus is the the Dawg was a bully who liked to pick on newbies for fun, and he should never be allowed back because he is a real piece of work.

[charliemouse]

Compare Drmies's response on civility to GorillaWarfare responding on the same point
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _and_Cases

I don't think we should be bending over backwards again and again to accommodate editors who aren't willing to put in the effort to work productively and civilly within the community.

That was a general comment but could have been used to describe Deputy Dawg.

[Dysklyver]

Compare Drmies's response on civility to GorillaWarfare responding on the same point
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _and_Cases

I don't think we should be bending over backwards again and again to accommodate editors who aren't willing to put in the effort to work productively and civilly within the community.

That was a general comment but could have been used to describe Deputy Dawg.

This is exactly the right attitude, and hopefully one that more people share now, given GW's excellent support results.

[charliemouse]

Overall good results. Happy to see DGG go. His comments on the Dawg were deranged.

Drmies was also a Winkelvi enabler. He is a highly educated man but his judgment is faulty.

[Midsize Jake]

This is exactly the right attitude, and hopefully one that more people share now, given GW's excellent support results.

Perhaps, but it does beg the question of how to numerically define the term "again and again."

[Dysklyver]

This is exactly the right attitude, and hopefully one that more people share now, given GW's excellent support results.

Perhaps, but it does beg the question of how to numerically define the term "again and again."

1. First instance
2. again
3. and again

It means three.

[tarantino]

I was surprised to see Drmies not get enough votes. If I had to guess, it was his attitude toward civility, which differed from the other candidates and also reflected his own behavior.
For instance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... _and_Cases

"Civility" encompasses so many things, and so many of those things are highly gradable? If I come to your house and you don't offer me coffee and cake, I might find you very uncivil--but I know that's my idea of civility, which includes hospitality. And some editors exchange and accept words and phrases in the give and take of debate that others find totally unacceptable. Given that wide range I don't think we'll ever come to some agreement over what is and what isn't civil.

Basically he's saying that there's no such thing as civility. He sure acts as if he doesn't accept the concept.

He's an asshole, and proud of it.

[Moral Hazard]

Pretty sure I never would've gotten on if it was all faked. And if arbcom has anything to do with faking it they certainly didn't let me in on it.

Well, you would say that, wouldn't you?

A cautionary tale about Buzz Aldrin (T-H-L) and a moon-landing denialist, with commentary by Bill Burr (T-H-L) (who uses salty language).

[Jim]

A cautionary tale about Buzz Aldrin (T-H-L) and a moon-landing denialist, with commentary by Bill Burr (T-H-L) (who uses salty language).

Heh. I hadn't seen that particular full video before, I don't think, but I've certainly seen a clip of the punch, so maybe I just saw part of the video. I cheered. Go, Buzz...

Sadly, I think only 4 of the 12 Moon walkers are still walking the Earth.

[Poetlister]

Drmies was also a Winkelvi enabler. He is a highly educated man but his judgment is faulty.

A good education doesn't always impart common sense.

Sadly, I think only 4 of the 12 Moon walkers are still walking the Earth.

It's the best part of half a century since the last man on the Moon. Will any of them be alive to see the next human Moonwalker?

[Bezdomni]

As an aspiring numerologist, I found it auspicious that The Wind Crying Isarra got 444 votes, that Fred's net vote was -333 and Gorilla Warfare's was +666.

WHERE IS YOUR INNOCENT LITTLE GW NOW, KUMIOKO? TREMBLE IN FEAR, FUTHERMUCKER, THE BEAST HAS BEEN REVEALED!!! (AND YOU ARE ON THE NOT NICE LIST!!!)

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Concerning futher numerological matters, a page I've edited extensively has had 555K views in the first fortnight of December. Surely this is a sign. But... of what?

I've pinged both Mr. and Ms. Warfare to the Daily Mail debate at RS/N in an effort to learn more...

edit: fixed link + grand-mère/grammaire

[Dysklyver]

Surely this a sign. But... of what?

Perhaps it's a sign you need to stop obsessing over coincidental numbers?

[Bezdomni]

hors sujet (but not really) concerning the Warfare family §:

[Lir]

I remember when I was just a young innocent fourteen year old girl, Fred would try to mentor me in civility.

[Moral Hazard]

A cautionary tale about Buzz Aldrin (T-H-L) and a moon-landing denialist, with commentary by Bill Burr (T-H-L) (who uses salty language).

Heh. I hadn't seen that particular full video before, I don't think, but I've certainly seen a clip of the punch, so maybe I just saw part of the video. I cheered. Go, Buzz...

Sadly, I think only 4 of the 12 Moon walkers are still walking the Earth.

"Pitbull mode" and "fixation" describe many accounts' behavior on Wikipedia.
Are there any examples of editors trying "to snap the dog out of it" [pitbull mode] on Wikipedia?

[Tarc]

Voilá! One person voting 30 socks could take DGG from 5th place and in the money to 7th place and out of the money.

[Poetlister]

Voilá! One person voting 30 socks could take DGG from 5th place and in the money to 7th place and out of the money.

That's why voting is dangerous in a place where there is such a culture of anonymity.

[Salvidrim]

On the other hand:

• Salvidrim is, as I understand it, a bit of an "anti-privacy" guy: he prefers to be open about his online identity. He perhaps didn't appreciate GW's posts, but I doubt that he thought of it as "outing". He is a member here, and can clarify his stance.
• Wikipedia outing policy is full of contradictions.
• Opposition research is a standard part of all politics.

Very late to the party (wish there was some sort of ping notification function or posters here would give heads-up to people being discussed, I'm just an infrequent lurker after all)

Looking through my Reddit history was of course a form of "opposition research", there are no mental gymnastics around that; was it fine to look and point out shit? Yeah, probably, it's fair game. Can't be an open book and complain when people read what you post. Stung a bit to see it dissected so harshly but it's my own fault, one is accountable for what they put out there. There was no outing by GW; if anything I've been exceptionally thorough in "outing" myself as much as possible by interlinking all my info. I can't have https://salvidrim.net & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Salvidrim exist and ever complain about "outing"