December 2015 Arbitration Committee Elections

Peryglus · Unread post by **Peryglus** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:47 am

I reckon it's time to have a dedicated thread on this by now - nominations start in 12 hours!

(There are a few posts in the "Is the community losing patience with the Arbcom?" thread which could be moved over here.)

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:09 pm

Peryglus wrote:I reckon it's time to have a dedicated thread on this by now - nominations start in 12 hours!

(There are a few posts in the "Is the community losing patience with the Arbcom?" thread which could be moved over here.)

Peryglus, I await your assessments of the candidates, when they present.

I'd like to vote for Euralyus, but, like anyone showing any sign of clue, he's running for the hills.

And I can't argue with that.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:20 pm

Jim wrote:
Peryglus wrote:I reckon it's time to have a dedicated thread on this by now - nominations start in 12 hours!

(There are a few posts in the "Is the community losing patience with the Arbcom?" thread which could be moved over here.)
Peryglus, I await your assessments of the candidates, when they present.

I'd like to vote for Euralyus, but, like anyone showing any sign of clue, he's running for the hills.

And I can't argue with that.

Yeah its going to be interested who applies this year. Nearly anyone who might be remotely qualified isn't running. Anyone think NewYorkBrad will run again? Or maybe Kirill, he is in the hotseat right now over the Eric block but he seems to be positioning himself for another run.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:21 pm

Is time ripe for a Wikipediocracy reform slate of candidates?

Michaeldsuarez · Unread post by **Michaeldsuarez** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:27 pm

Zoloft wrote:Is time ripe for a Wikipediocracy reform slate of candidates?

I'll run on the "My Ban Is Too Damn Long" ticket ;)

Newyorkbrad · Unread post by **Newyorkbrad** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:42 pm

Zoloft wrote:Is time ripe for a Wikipediocracy reform slate of candidates?

The ArbCom has no power to reform Wikipediocracy.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:43 pm

Newyorkbrad wrote:
Zoloft wrote:Is time ripe for a Wikipediocracy reform slate of candidates?
The ArbCom has no power to reform Wikipediocracy.

zing!

RfB

Tarc · Unread post by **Tarc** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:50 pm

Newyorkbrad wrote:
Zoloft wrote:Is time ripe for a Wikipediocracy reform slate of candidates?
The ArbCom has no power to reform Wikipediocracy.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:49 pm

Newyorkbrad wrote:
Zoloft wrote:Is time ripe for a Wikipediocracy reform slate of candidates?
The ArbCom has no power to reform Wikipediocracy.

It could, however, significantly reduce the scope on WO for legitimate complaints about WP, meaing that there would be more posts on WO about nonsensical complaints.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:57 pm

I used to root for reform slates. This year, I think a "hasten the day" slate would be more ... interesting:
Kevin Gorman, Gamaliel, Collect, Resolute, Beyond My Ken.

Who else?

Updated: Apologies to Collect for confusing him with Resolute.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:08 pm

Moral Hazard wrote:I used to root for reform slates. This year, I think a "hasten the day" slate would be more ... interesting:
Kevin Gorman, Gamaliel, Collect, Beyond My Ken.

Who else?

David Gerard
Durova
Risker
Ironholds
Kaldari
Eric Corbett
Ottava Rima
Jeff Merkey

Zironic · Unread post by **Zironic** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:15 pm

We should convince Mark Bernstein to run for Arbcom.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:33 pm

Vigilant wrote:
Moral Hazard wrote:I used to root for reform slates. This year, I think a "hasten the day" slate would be more ... interesting:
Kevin Gorman, Gamaliel, Collect, Beyond My Ken.

Who else?
David Gerard
Durova
Risker
Ironholds
Kaldari
Eric Corbett
Ottava Rima
Jeff Merkey

I would also add:
Binksternet
Guerillero
AGK
HighinBC/Chillum
and the glorious Jimbo Wales need to log off one last time and stay way.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:44 pm

Kumioko wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Moral Hazard wrote:I used to root for reform slates. This year, I think a "hasten the day" slate would be more ... interesting:
Kevin Gorman, Gamaliel, Collect, Beyond My Ken.

Who else?
David Gerard
Durova
Risker
Ironholds
Kaldari
Eric Corbett
Ottava Rima
Jeff Merkey
I would also add:
Binksternet
Guerillero
AGK
HighinBC/Chillum
and the glorious Jimbo Wales need to log off one last time and stay way.

Drmies
Tony Sidaway
Slim Virgin
Jimbo Wales
Erik Mo:eller
Brandon Harris
RSChen
Crisco1492
Baseball Bugs
Cassianto
Minor4th
GregJackP
Giano
Sue Gardner
BMK
Mathsci
DangerousPanda
Phil Sandifer

How many more do we need to get a really solid slate together?

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:59 pm

Please note that I meant Resolute (T-C-L)but mistyped Collect (T-C-L).

How could we have forgotten Kww (T-C-L)/Unwanted?

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:01 pm

We should also make a hardcase/Judge Dredd slate.

Fram
Kww
Sandstein

Who else?

Anroth · Unread post by **Anroth** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:09 pm

Ent, but he would never go for it.

Ihatemyusername · Unread post by **Ihatemyusername** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:29 pm

Ent seems to be quite lenient and tactical when it comes to Valued Content Creator types.

I guess someone like HJ Mitchell would fit well on that sort of trigger happy "ban everyone" slate. I remember him writing that he was considering running for Arbcom.

unwanted · Unread post by **unwanted** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:50 pm

Vigilant wrote:We should also make a hardcase/Judge Dredd slate.

Fram
Kww
Sandstein

Who else?

I think it would be interesting to see an Arbcom made up of people that actually read policies and enforced them. Might make a refreshing change.

Tarc · Unread post by **Tarc** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:54 pm

unwanted wrote:
Vigilant wrote:We should also make a hardcase/Judge Dredd slate.

Fram
Kww
Sandstein

Who else?
I think it would be interesting to see an Arbcom made up of people that actually read policies and enforced them. Might make a refreshing change.

You silly, silly man.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:04 pm

unwanted wrote:
Vigilant wrote:We should also make a hardcase/Judge Dredd slate.

Fram
Kww
Sandstein

Who else?
I think it would be interesting to see an Arbcom made up of people that actually read policies and enforced them. Might make a refreshing change.

Unread post by **tarantino** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:56 pm

Anroth wrote:Ent, but he would never go for it.

His editing statistics.

Total edits: 18,335
Article 1,478 8.5%
Talk 787 4.5%
User 1,059 6.1%
User talk 4,136 23.9%
Wikipedia 7,445 43%
Wikipedia talk 2,127 12.3%

Ent is a marplot, he'd fit right in.

Ihatemyusername · Unread post by **Ihatemyusername** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:52 pm

Another spot opens up

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:59 pm

Ihatemyusername wrote:Another spot opens up

The utterly broken way ARBCOM runs now, I can't see anyone with even a speck of sanity staying on.

ARBCOM breaks people from the inside.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:04 am

Vigilant wrote:
Ihatemyusername wrote:Another spot opens up
The utterly broken way ARBCOM runs now, I can't see anyone with e sanity staying on.

ARBCOM breaks people from the inside.

And unfortunately its not the ones we need to get rid of that are quitting.

AnimuAvatar · Unread post by **AnimuAvatar** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:11 am

Official 8chan Slate for the 2015 English Wikipedia (enwiki) Arbitration Committee Elections:
ClueBotNG

Tarc · Unread post by **Tarc** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:26 am

Vigilant wrote:
Ihatemyusername wrote:Another spot opens up
The utterly broken way ARBCOM runs now, I can't see anyone with even a speck of sanity staying on.

ARBCOM breaks people from the inside.

That's the scary part, if the semi-decent ones decline to run then only the nutbags (halo thar AGK) remain.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:30 am

Tarc wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Ihatemyusername wrote:Another spot opens up
The utterly broken way ARBCOM runs now, I can't see anyone with even a speck of sanity staying on.

ARBCOM breaks people from the inside.
That's the scary part, if the semi-decent ones decline to run then only the nutbags (halo thar AGK) remain.

I see ARBCOM spiraling into ruin.

AnimuAvatar · Unread post by **AnimuAvatar** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:45 am

Vigilant wrote:
Tarc wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Ihatemyusername wrote:Another spot opens up
The utterly broken way ARBCOM runs now, I can't see anyone with even a speck of sanity staying on.

ARBCOM breaks people from the inside.
That's the scary part, if the semi-decent ones decline to run then only the nutbags (halo thar AGK) remain.
I see ARBCOM spiraling into ruin.

[Hastening Intensifies]

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:04 am

Here's that Elections page link again: link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... Candidates[/link]

RfB

The Joy · Unread post by **The Joy** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:25 am

unwanted wrote:
Vigilant wrote:We should also make a hardcase/Judge Dredd slate.

Fram
Kww
Sandstein

Who else?
I think it would be interesting to see an Arbcom made up of people that actually read policies and enforced them. Might make a refreshing change.

Didn't they?

WP:IAR (T-H-L)

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:29 am

Vigilant wrote:We should also make a hardcase/Judge Dredd slate.

Fram
Kww
Sandstein

Who else?

Fred Bauder
Jayjg

Hex · Unread post by **Hex** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:45 am

The first comment on the candidates list is by Salvidrim!, who starts:

Salvidrim! wrote: Fuck it, I'll be the first to throw my hat in.

Wow, that's really fucking professional and looks really great to casual (non-Wikipedian) readers. Clearly the kind of person that Wikipedia needs at its top level of dispute resolution.

Given that he also just got his password cracked discovered, after reusing it somewhere else like a dipshit and had to be emergency desysopped, I think he's on the Hasten The Day team whether he knows it or not.

Edit: No cracking took place, thanks to someone for nudging me to clarify that.

Anthonyhcole · Unread post by **Anthonyhcole** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:53 am

Hex wrote:The first comment on the candidates list is by Salvidrim!, who starts:
Salvidrim! wrote: Fuck it, I'll be the first to throw my hat in.
Wow, that's really fucking professional and looks really great to casual (non-Wikipedian) readers. Clearly the kind of person that Wikipedia needs at its top level of dispute resolution.

Given that he also just got his password cracked like a dipshit and had to be emergency desysopped, I think he's on the Hasten The Day team whether he knows it or not.

Does anyone have any idea where he/she stands on the civility issue?

ats · Unread post by **ats** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:18 pm

Anthonyhcole wrote:
Hex wrote:The first comment on the candidates list is by Salvidrim!, who starts:
Salvidrim! wrote: Fuck it, I'll be the first to throw my hat in.
Wow, that's really fucking professional and looks really great to casual (non-Wikipedian) readers. Clearly the kind of person that Wikipedia needs at its top level of dispute resolution.

Given that he also just got his password cracked like a dipshit and had to be emergency desysopped, I think he's on the Hasten The Day team whether he knows it or not.
Does anyone have any idea where he/she stands on the civility issue?

Well apparently fuck isn't an issue!

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:24 pm

Ihatemyusername wrote:I guess someone like HJ Mitchell would fit well on that sort of trigger happy "ban everyone" slate. I remember him writing that he was considering running for Arbcom.

He certainly has the unwarranted belief in his own insight and ability, smugness by the bucketload, and ludicrous sense of self-importance indicated for that team.
I think you are recalling a conversation he had with Kudpung, who was, at the time, slapping him on the back for his "insightful" WifiOne evidence (which was actually laughably shallow, barely researched, and, erm, just very wrong, really).
Kudpung should also be a part of "Team Hasten The Day". His faux "support" for RFA reform arguments, in order to actually maintain the status quo, should be a Wikipedia essay, or how-to.

Liz99 · Unread post by **Liz99** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:58 pm

Besides having good judgment, the ability to collaborate with a large group of people and a deep knowledge of policies, it's important for arbitrators to both be receptive to comments and complaints from editors yet also have a very thick skin because even the most well-received arbitrators are the subject of abuse and diatribes. Having those five qualities is very difficult to find.

Then, if you consider that potential arbs shouldn't have been involved in lots of controversy or made any major miscalls and that they actually want to be an arbitrator, and the pool of appropriate candidates gets even smaller.

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:01 pm

Liz99 wrote:Besides having good judgment, the ability to collaborate with a large group of people and a deep knowledge of policies, it's important for arbitrators to both be receptive to comments and complaints from editors yet also have a very thick skin because even the most well-received arbitrators are the subject of abuse and diatribes. Having those five qualities is very difficult to find.

Then, if you consider that potential arbs shouldn't have been involved in lots of controversy or made any major miscalls and that they actually want to be an arbitrator, and the pool of appropriate candidates gets even smaller.

So stand. Most folks would, as far as I can tell, support you, and you seem, to me, to fit your own description. (Except, maybe, for the "want to" - I obviously can't judge that.)

Anroth · Unread post by **Anroth** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:44 pm

Hex wrote:The first comment on the candidates list is by Salvidrim!, who starts:
Salvidrim! wrote: Fuck it, I'll be the first to throw my hat in.
Wow, that's really fucking professional and looks really great to casual (non-Wikipedian) readers. Clearly the kind of person that Wikipedia needs at its top level of dispute resolution.

Given that he also just got his password cracked like a dipshit and had to be emergency desysopped, I think he's on the Hasten The Day team whether he knows it or not.

Alternatively you could have any number of arbs with the skill of saying very little in lots of meaningless words. Throw a rock at any Arbcom from the last 5 years and you are bound to hit one.

Using the word 'fuck' is not really on my radar.

-edit- Hawkeye, sigh. Do you think 'Jesus fuck no' would qualify as a vote no?

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:52 pm

Anroth wrote:-edit- Hawkeye, sigh. Do you think 'Jesus fuck no' would qualify as a vote no?

Yeah. But this is wikipedia. That could be an endorsement.

Dennis Brown · Unread post by **Dennis Brown** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:00 pm

I see a lot of complaints about admin and Arbs here, some more useful than others, but seldom real solutions. With that in mind, I'm curious as to who you think should (or shouldn't) run for Arb this go around. Arb has managed to grab a good deal of power since it's creation, and has demonstrated it can be a force for positive change or it can screw up life for a good number of editors. Without question, it isn't going away or going to be changed anytime soon, so all we can do is elect who we think will represent the community, and cross our fingers.

Who do you trust enough that you wish they would run? Why?

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:03 pm

Dennis Brown wrote:Who do you trust enough that you wish they would run?

Dennis Brown. I'm not even joking.

Anthonyhcole · Unread post by **Anthonyhcole** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:12 pm

Bishonen
Liz
Keilana
Risker
Alison
Andreas

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:14 pm

Anthonyhcole wrote:Bishonen
Liz
Keilana
Risker
Alison
Andreas

Anthonyhcole

Wait, Risker? Minus 10 points at least.

Anthonyhcole · Unread post by **Anthonyhcole** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:16 pm

Jim wrote:
Anthonyhcole wrote:Bishonen
Liz
Keilana
Risker
Alison
Andreas
Anthonyhcole

I think I'd be awsome, but I'm just too lazy and irresponsible. ;o)

I'll add Sarah/SV to that list.

Dennis Brown · Unread post by **Dennis Brown** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:17 pm

Jim wrote:
Dennis Brown wrote:Who do you trust enough that you wish they would run?
Dennis Brown. I'm not even joking.

Not going to happen. I wouldn't have started the thread if that was even a remote possibility. I appreciate the compliment (or was it more of a death wish, it's hard to tell with these things), but I have no hunger for the power, no patience for the hassle, and no time for the burden.

Anthonyhcole · Unread post by **Anthonyhcole** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:20 pm

Jim wrote:
Anthonyhcole wrote:Bishonen
Liz
Keilana
Risker
Alison
Andreas
Anthonyhcole

Wait, Risker? Minus 10 points at least.

I'm not suggesting any of them is perfect but Risker has the corporate memory and, notwithstanding Vigilant's characterisations, she's smart and sharp and organised. Yes she's sometimes wrong, but the others will be able to handle her.

MoldyHay · Unread post by **MoldyHay** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:22 pm

Nobody.

Anyone who is trustworthy enough for the job has probably been driven from Wikipedia long ago. And even if they haven't, a few months on ArbCom will remove any of their redeeming qualities.

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:25 pm

Anthonyhcole wrote:
Jim wrote:
Anthonyhcole wrote:Bishonen
Liz
Keilana
Risker
Alison
Andreas
Anthonyhcole
I think I'd be awsome, but I'm just too lazy and irresponsible. ;o)

I'll add Sarah/SV to that list.

I was going to point out you missed my Risker comment in an edit conflict, but then you replied and added SlimVirgin.

What? Vote for her because she's been inoffensive for a bit and you didn't examine her history?

Or purely "this side of the playground is Gender Gap A, and you lot line up over there"?

Dennis Brown · Unread post by **Dennis Brown** » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:25 pm

Awilley (calm, fair, experienced but not entrenched in the bureacracy)
Berean Hunter (disclaimer: I know him in real life, very level headed, always brings beer when he visits, I nom'ed him for admin)
Anna Frodesiak (followed her for years, nom'ed her for admin, talked off wiki, very solid person)
Worm (again)
Reaper Eternal (just enough of a wild card to keep it interesting, very experienced)
Jimbo (just because the drama it would cause would be freaking hilarious)