Another day, another Gamergate ArbCom case

Konveyor Belt · Unread post by **Konveyor Belt** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:13 pm

Been IIRC three requests already, one before the Discretionary Sanctions and two after.

The discretionary sanctions are kept at WP:GS/GG (T-H-L) and there is no evidence thus yet that they have either failed or succeeded, which is why the first post DS case was declined last week. Yesterday another was started, located for the time being at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#GamerGate (T-H-L)

Past case requests from new to old:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =632393235

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =630025615

For my part, I think that the Arbs should take a case to focus on the behavior of several editors in the topic area, not just the BLP disputes.

Unread post by **Midsize Jake** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:03 pm

Well, they did say they would never give up.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:07 pm

Agh, 54 "named parties" and almost no actual blocks or restrictions. This is going nowhere. It will be another Eastern European battle, never ending and involving hundreds of socks.

Anthonyhcole · Unread post by **Anthonyhcole** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:55 am

Now open at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:33 am

Involved parties

The Devil's Advocate (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log), filing party
NorthBySouthBaranof (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Ryulong (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
TheRedPenOfDoom (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Tutelary (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Loganmac (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Masem (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Tarc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
TaraInDC (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Dreadstar (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Gamaliel (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Willhesucceed (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
ArmyLine (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Acroterion (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Titanium Dragon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Diego Moya (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Cuchullain (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Black Kite (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Bilby (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
Tabascoman77 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
PhilKnight (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
DungeonSiegeAddict510 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Retartist (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Ramba Ral (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Remorseless Angel (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

Ban them all.

I'm not seeing anyone on that list who falls into the camp of "useful encyclopedia compiler".

Ban them all.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:36 am

Vigilant wrote:Ban them all.

I'm not seeing anyone on that list who falls into the camp of "useful encyclopedia compiler".

Ban them all.

What a lovely Twat Salad. The gift that keeps on giving.

Easy to predict this is one of those arbitrations that will never, ever be closed. I have better things to do with my miserable life, so unless something "earthshaking" happens, I'm going to ignore it.

PS: there is another thread already.
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5615

Anthonyhcole · Unread post by **Anthonyhcole** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:00 am

EricBarbour wrote:...there is another thread already.
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5615

Ugh. Sorry. Would a mod please merge?

[edit] Thanks.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:06 am

Done. BTW, I might note that originally, when the request was opened on 10 November, there were 54 complainants listed. Today, the case was moved to an "official" page, and the number of "combatants" was magically reduced to 26. You can thank little shit Ks0stm for that.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:21 am

This case is obviously a membership drive for Wikipediocracy.

[Son, that's a joke, Son /Foghorn Leghorn]

Konveyor Belt · Unread post by **Konveyor Belt** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:27 pm

The whole thing is a joke anyway. You and I both know that the people like Ryulong and NorthbySouthBaranof already know how to game the ArbCom system, while their opposition are new here. Look at the case pages, they're already doing it.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:56 pm

Konveyor Belt wrote:The whole thing is a joke anyway. You and I both know that the people like Ryulong and NorthbySouthBaranof already know how to game the ArbCom system, while their opposition are new here. Look at the case pages, they're already doing it.

"Ryulong" is one of my favorite wikipediots.

Heavy handed, desysoped, anime driven, angsty, immature edit warrior with severe ownership issues.

Hasten the day!

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:58 pm

Vigilant wrote:
Konveyor Belt wrote:The whole thing is a joke anyway. You and I both know that the people like Ryulong and NorthbySouthBaranof already know how to game the ArbCom system, while their opposition are new here. Look at the case pages, they're already doing it.
"Ryulong" is one of my favorite wikipediots.

Heavy handed, desysoped, anime driven, angsty, immature edit warrior with severe ownership issues.

Hasten the day!

Not just that, but he is also obsessed with anime-inspired smartphone games as well, including Puzzle & Dragons (T-H-L) It has many collabs with many anime series.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:29 pm

Johnny Au wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Konveyor Belt wrote:The whole thing is a joke anyway. You and I both know that the people like Ryulong and NorthbySouthBaranof already know how to game the ArbCom system, while their opposition are new here. Look at the case pages, they're already doing it.
"Ryulong" is one of my favorite wikipediots.

Heavy handed, desysoped, anime driven, angsty, immature edit warrior with severe ownership issues.

Hasten the day!
Not just that, but he is also obsessed with anime-inspired smartphone games as well, including Puzzle & Dragons (T-H-L) It has many collabs with many anime series.

I wonder how many of the "retired" editors of wikipedia sat up one day and thought to themselves, "What the fuck have I been wasting my life on here?!"

Notvelty · Unread post by **Notvelty** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:38 pm

Vigilant wrote:
Konveyor Belt wrote:The whole thing is a joke anyway. You and I both know that the people like Ryulong and NorthbySouthBaranof already know how to game the ArbCom system, while their opposition are new here. Look at the case pages, they're already doing it.
"Ryulong" is one of my favorite wikipediots.

Heavy handed, desysoped, anime driven, angsty, immature edit warrior with severe ownership issues.

Hasten the day!

Chance that the pronunciation of Ryulong approximates to "are you long" wasn't key in his choice of screen name?

0%

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:47 pm

Ryulong's name means dragon dragon; the first half (ryu) being Japanese and the second half (long) being Mandarin.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:14 am

Johnny Au wrote:Ryulong's name means dragon dragon; the first half (ryu) being Japanese and the second half (long) being Mandarin.

Mandarin approximated Pinyin. And it's not really since it's missing the diacritic marks for pronunciation and can have more than several meanings depending on pronunciation and context.

For example, from the first pinyin site I pulled up

篢lǒng
屸lóng
儱lǒng
儱lóng
儱lòng
咙lóng
哢lòng
嚨lóng
垄lǒng
垅lǒng
壟lǒng
壠lǒng
嶐lóng
巃lóng
巄lóng
弄lòng
徿lòng
徿lǒng
拢lǒng
攏lǒng
昽lóng
曨lóng
朧lóng
栊lóng
梇lòng
槞lóng
櫳lóng
泷lóng
湰lóng
滝lóng
漋lóng
瀧lóng
爖lóng
珑lóng
瓏lóng
癃lóng
眬lóng
矓lóng
砻lóng
硦lòng
礱lóng
礲lóng
窿lóng
竉lǒng
竜lóng
笼lóng
笼lǒng
篭lóng
篭lǒng
籠lóng
籠lǒng
聋lóng
聾lóng
胧lóng
茏lóng
蘢lóng
蠪lóng
蠬lóng
襱lóng
豅lóng
贚lòng
躘lóng
躘lǒng
鏧lóng
鑨lóng
陇lǒng
隆lóng
隴lǒng
霳lóng
靇lóng
驡lóng
鸗lóng
龍lóng
龍lǒng
龒lóng
龓lóng
龓lǒng
龙lóng
尨lóng

In short, Ryulong is an incompetent at this as well, quelle surprise!

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:15 am

Vigilant wrote:
Johnny Au wrote:Ryulong's name means dragon dragon; the first half (ryu) being Japanese and the second half (long) being Mandarin.
Mandarin approximated Pinyin. And it's not really since it's missing the diacritic marks for pronunciation and can have more than several meanings depending on pronunciation and context.

In short, Ryulong is an incompetent at this as well, quelle surprise!

Granted, although Johnny is probably right. When Ryu was 13 years old, he had a Geocities page that was full of blather about dragons.
He is a poster child for Internet dork syndrome. Probably masturbates to gay dragon porn or somesuch.

That's Wikipedia.

(Message for Ryu, you little shit: don't bother contacting archive.org to get that page removed, we took screenshots.)

Johnny Au · Unread post by **Johnny Au** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:34 am

Eric, that probably explains why he is obsessed with Puzzle & Dragons. That smartphone game has a few hundred dragons, including this gem (right-click to view it in full):

Extreme King Metal Dragon

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:12 am

Related:

http://techraptor.net/content/wikipedia ... te-article

Despite the promotion of his funding project on the subreddit, and his apparent payment from an anti-GamerGater, Ryulong decided to return to editing the contentious article. It is clear that both the answering of questions on a GamerGate related subreddit, and receiving funds from a campaign posted to the same subreddit, could be perceived as a conflict of interest, and TechRaptor applauds Wikipedia admins for attempting to step in and return the article to neutrality.

Notvelty · Unread post by **Notvelty** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:01 am

Johnny Au wrote:Ryulong's name means dragon dragon; the first half (ryu) being Japanese and the second half (long) being Mandarin.

Yes, I believe that's also a fact about the name. Had it not sounded like "are you long", though, I imagine he would have chosen something that did.

-edit
I feel I may need to explain more. Imagine if, instead of "Ryu" and "long", the derivations were "Sho" and "Xho". If this were the case, I have no doubt that he would have opted for the (imaginary) alternative "Biku" "dong".

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:06 pm

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

http://mashable.com/2014/12/01/rape-thr ... t-mothers/

I wonder if this works on wikipediots?

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:25 pm

Ryulong being a dick everywhere on wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =636309034

Lukeno94 · Unread post by **Lukeno94** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:32 pm

Vigilant wrote:Ryulong being a dick everywhere

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =636309034

Fixed that for you.

dpmuk · Unread post by **dpmuk** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:22 pm

Well I just reverted his change to the template. There was definitely no consensus for that change. Be interesting to see what happens now.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:50 pm

dpmuk wrote:Well I just reverted his change to the template. There was definitely no consensus for that change. Be interesting to see what happens now.

Insta-revert is the answer
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... on=history

And a talkpage warning!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk ... mplate:CNY

Massive edit warrior.
Huge ownership issues.
Lack of ability to follow consensus.

Why isn't this guy on ARBCOM?

Hasten the day!

Cla68 · Unread post by **Cla68** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:03 pm

Watch the case talk pages on this one. I believe you will see bickering at the same high level of other ArbCom cases in which fervent activism is involved. The editors who are emotionally invested in keeping the GG articles on message will really be campaigning to get this case decided in their favor. They are afraid that if they lose this case, they lose control of the article, and thus over the narrative in Western society as a whole because of how much Google juice that article gets.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:49 pm

AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

You have no power here!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =636379997

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:51 pm

Vigilant wrote:AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
http://mashable.com/2014/12/01/rape-thr ... t-mothers/
I wonder if this works on wikipediots?

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/aust ... ir-mothers

The journalist had assumed her abusers were middle-aged men. “It turns out that mostly they’re young boys and the problem is they don’t know any better, so responding to them rationally didn’t resolve the situation. And it got to the point where their comments were starting to make me feel really uncomfortable.”

When Pearce sat down to figure out the best way to resolve the situation, she concluded she was best off contacting the boys’ mothers directly, “especially as most of them write to me through their personal Facebook pages. It’s shockingly easy to find out who their families are.”

It usually does on Facebook, because you can go thru their friends list. On Wikipedia, it's more difficult, and they know it.

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:05 am

Also, this is getting really messy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... /Gamergate

And this is amazing, "free speech" run amok.
http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=Zoe_Quinn

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:23 am

Another "classic" thread.
http://8chan.co/gamergate/res/3337.html
It already has a "Wall of Shame", it's called WP:BANNED, you dildos.

On one hand, it's good to see Wales and company attacked and criticized freely.
On the other hand, these are the wrong people to do it.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:55 am

If anyone at en.wp or the WMF were smart, they'd delete and salt that article.

Konveyor Belt · Unread post by **Konveyor Belt** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:48 am

EricBarbour wrote: It already has a "Wall of Shame", it's called WP:BANNED, you dildos.

That was deleted.

dpmuk · Unread post by **dpmuk** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:59 am

I like the way Ryulong‎ calls it an argument rather than discussion. Think that nicely sums up his attitude to Wikipedia.

I'm also enjoying the freedom of no longer being an admin and not really caring that much anymore. It's quite liberating.

Cla68 · Unread post by **Cla68** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:16 pm

EricBarbour wrote:Also, this is getting really messy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... /Gamergate

I see some familiar names among those enforcing admins, as in admins who often jump in to selectively sanction editors who dare to mess with certain topics such as race and intelligence, pseudoscience, and alternative medicine. How is GamerGate related?

Hex · Unread post by **Hex** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:27 pm

dpmuk wrote:I'm also enjoying the freedom of no longer being an admin and not really caring that much anymore. It's quite liberating.

High five. You should try no longer being an editor either.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 12:41 pm

Cla68 wrote:
EricBarbour wrote:Also, this is getting really messy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... /Gamergate
I see some familiar names among those enforcing admins, as in admins who often jump in to selectively sanction editors who dare to mess with certain topics such as race and intelligence, pseudoscience, and alternative medicine. How is GamerGate related?

This case is the Meatpuppets vs. the House POV Thugs.

A pox on both their houses.

RfB

Konveyor Belt · Unread post by **Konveyor Belt** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:26 pm

So, how does ArbCom move forward with this case? It seems to me that even if they adopt the off with their heads approach as they did with GGTF, there will always be more meat/sockpuppets and there will always be less experienced POV warriors to fight them. So what can ArbCom do to the article itself to resolve the longstanding issues? I honestly don't know what they can do to stop the fighting short of deleting the article and protecting it.

Also, what is the WO opinion on Masem?

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:11 am

Konveyor Belt wrote:So, how does ArbCom move forward with this case?

They'll handle it just like they've handled other intractable editwars -- a few slaps on the wrist, followed by hiding.

Also, what is the WO opinion on Masem?

I would tell you but you might not believe it.

Konveyor Belt · Unread post by **Konveyor Belt** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:13 pm

EricBarbour wrote:They'll handle it just like they've handled other intractable editwars -- a few slaps on the wrist, followed by hiding.

So nothing then, and the article will just fester like a sore until the new ArbCom comes in a few months or years down the line and royally fucks it over.

I would tell you but you might not believe it.

At this point with the whole blowup, nothing would surprise me very much.

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:20 pm

I find a happy coincidence that GamerGate and GenderGap share the same acronym.

Unread post by **tarantino** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:15 am

Konveyor Belt wrote:The whole thing is a joke anyway. You and I both know that the people like Ryulong and NorthbySouthBaranof already know how to game the ArbCom system, while their opposition are new here. Look at the case pages, they're already doing it.

Huh, NorthbySouthBaranof was formerly known as user Polarscribe (T-C-L)/FCYTravis (T-C-L)?

Konveyor Belt · Unread post by **Konveyor Belt** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:58 am

BTW: the date got moved back again to the 21st. Anyone seeing another Tree Shaping?

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:45 am

Vigilant wrote:I find a happy coincidence that GamerGate and GenderGap share the same acronym.

http://www.ggbutton.com/

Available in blue or red

Every time you want your friends or family to know that you are a winner, hit your GG button!

Also available, but more expensive:

EricBarbour · Unread post by **EricBarbour** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:12 am

Jim wrote:Also available, but more expensive:

Don't care. If we must have a plastic gizmo that screams something, this is vastly preferable.

Cla68 · Unread post by **Cla68** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:27 am

I'm topic banned from the GamerGate suite of articles. I probably should keep a list of the topics I'm banned from on my userpage, because I think it's now more than three and I have a hard time remembering more than three things at a time unless I write it down.

Notvelty · Unread post by **Notvelty** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:01 am

Cla68 wrote:I'm topic banned from the GamerGate suite of articles. I probably should keep a list of the topics I'm banned from on my userpage, because I think it's now more than three and I have a hard time remembering more than three things at a time unless I write it down.

Arrogant turd, isn't he.

Unread post by **Zoloft** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:50 pm

Notvelty wrote:
Cla68 wrote:I'm topic banned from the GamerGate suite of articles. I probably should keep a list of the topics I'm banned from on my userpage, because I think it's now more than three and I have a hard time remembering more than three things at a time unless I write it down.
Arrogant turd, isn't he.

I'm hereby banning Notvelty from all turd-related topics, broadly construed.

Unread post by **Midsize Jake** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:01 am

Practically all of them are arrogant, but "turd" would imply that they might have a positive effect on human affairs if used as fertilizer, and we know that to be untrue.

Notvelty · Unread post by **Notvelty** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:46 am

Zoloft wrote:
Notvelty wrote:
Cla68 wrote:I'm topic banned from the GamerGate suite of articles. I probably should keep a list of the topics I'm banned from on my userpage, because I think it's now more than three and I have a hard time remembering more than three things at a time unless I write it down.
Arrogant turd, isn't he.
I'm hereby banning Notvelty from all turd-related topics, broadly construed.

Ah, crud.. and I just made a comment on gardening.

I'll just adjust me collar, me'lud.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:28 pm

Zoloft wrote:I'm hereby banning Notvelty from all turd-related topics, broadly construed.

Couldn't that be construed as the great majority of threads here?