Another WMF employee, er, admin, bites the dust

[SB_Johnny]

The fault lies entirely with Sarah for failing to sprout a penis.

I'm really having a hard time seeing a connection to her genitalia, or Mr. Kaldari nee Smith's, for that matter.

Ms. Steirch embarrassed Jimbo, therefore she was fired. IIRC there was another WMF contractor many moons back who was sent on his merry way for offering paid editing services as well.

Kaldari, Keyes, et. al. are somewhat less creepy than the WMF's #2 (Möller), so they're pretty safe in their employment (unless, as Kelly said, they do or say something incredibly stupid that makes them a public embarrassment to Jimbo).

[enwikibadscience]

The fault lies entirely with Sarah for failing to sprout a penis.

I'm really having a hard time seeing a connection to her genitalia, or Mr. Kaldari nee Smith's, for that matter.

Ms. Steirch embarrassed Jimbo, therefore she was fired. IIRC there was another WMF contractor many moons back who was sent on his merry way for offering paid editing services as well.

Kaldari, Keyes, et. al. are somewhat less creepy than the WMF's #2 (Möller), so they're pretty safe in their employment (unless, as Kelly said, they do or say something incredibly stupid that makes them a public embarrassment to Jimbo).

The law firm that sent the cease-and-desist letter has the same COI that the letter was concerned about. That didn't embarrass Jimbo. What embarrasses Jimbo, is something Sarah does. Rather mild, imo, compared to having a policy about child protection that is violated by one of your employees. Sarah isn't endangering children. I don't think it's safe to bet that someone who provides a safe website for sickos like Ryan Kaldari did, and is, is not endangering children.

I think it's penis/no penis.

I wish that the average male internet user could somehow be female for just one hour on line, for real, not just faking female.

[SB_Johnny]

I think it's penis/no penis.

I wish that the average male internet user could somehow be female for just one hour on line, for real, not just faking female.

I think you're reading too much of one thing into everything else. Jimmy was embarrassed by Sarah because he's been engaged in a months-long "public battle" with the "paid advocacy editors", and perhaps thinks that that is getting him more cushy speaking engagements. Kaldari's tasteless crowdsourced site isn't going to worry him (Bomis? Bomis?).

For the WMF, this is apples and oranges.

[enwikibadscience]

I think it's penis/no penis.

I wish that the average male internet user could somehow be female for just one hour on line, for real, not just faking female.

I think you're reading too much of one thing into everything else. Jimmy was embarrassed by Sarah because he's been engaged in a months-long "public battle" with the "paid advocacy editors", and perhaps thinks that that is getting him more cushy speaking engagements. Kaldari's tasteless crowdsourced site isn't going to worry him (Bomis? Bomis?).

For the WMF, this is apples and oranges.

So, the law firm issuing the cease-desist order, their COI with their own article wasn't an embarrassment? Why not? I really didn't think they would slam Sarah, like they did. She's a well-respected community insider with lots of fans. I wasn't too sure what they would do, but they went way overboard for some reason. The public humiliation of the letter they issued stating she had been let go was gross negligence and incompetence on her part, and it was a dangerously unprofessional PR move, far worse than having a low level, if public and popular, employee earning a few bucks in a disingenuous fashion.

I don't think they ever would have gone in that direction for a male employee. However, because she is female, and WMF is full of misogynists (like Ryan Kaldari, and others) and idiots (like Philippe), their tendency to act badly towards female employees is already pumped up. Misogynists are like this; where unfamiliar territory would make normal players behave with caution, pausing before publicly issuing a letter about her being let go for misbehavior, their brains, when confronted with unfamiliar territory involving the transgressions of a female are overpowered by having so much of the brain occupied with their misogyny. I don't think I am carrying it too far. I think en.Wikipedia has too skewed a male/female ratio to even get close to understanding the sort of hostile working atmosphere they have created for all women in their midst.

You employ Ryan Kaldari, and you wonder why there are so few women at en.Wikipedia. You not only fire but attempt to revenge humiliate Sarah Stierch, and you wonder why there are so few women at en.Wikipedia.

To me, it is apples and oranges, but the rotten fruit is the legal firm incompetently hired for probably $700/hour and firing Sarah while protecting Kaldari.

[EricBarbour]

I think it's penis/no penis.

I wish that the average male internet user could somehow be female for just one hour on line, for real, not just faking female.

I think you're reading too much of one thing into everything else. Jimmy was embarrassed by Sarah because he's been engaged in a months-long "public battle" with the "paid advocacy editors", and perhaps thinks that that is getting him more cushy speaking engagements. Kaldari's tasteless crowdsourced site isn't going to worry him (Bomis? Bomis?).

For the WMF, this is apples and oranges.

I think this is all pointless speculation. We can't "prove" that Wales was involved with, or even knew about, Stierch's abuses and eventual tossing out the door. Yes, it seems likely that Wales stuck his nose into it and had some role. Any of the oldtimers on this forum would agree that to be a likely case.

Barring the appearance of a "WMF Ed Snowden" with a load of internal documents showing various WMF and Jimbo malfeasance, it can't be proven for certain. For that matter, the NSA and the CIA leak like sieves; why doesn't this small-time nonprofit? (And I don't mean the Arbcom leaks, I mean official WMF information, directly involving employees of the WMF.)

[Vigilant]

And Oliver Keyes.
Ryan is vile but even he's not as bad as Oliver Keyes aka Ironholds.

Oh well, just a delayed moment.

Whenever Sue's replacement finally gets hired (and assuming it's not Erik Mo:eller), they're going to take a look at the employment records of these children and immediately make them wiki ambassadors to the unemployment office.

Can you see any moderately well run company putting up with these guys?

Dead men walking.

[SB_Johnny]

And Oliver Keyes.
Ryan is vile but even he's not as bad as Oliver Keyes aka Ironholds.

Oh well, just a delayed moment.

Whenever Sue's replacement finally gets hired (and assuming it's not Erik Mo:eller), they're going to take a look at the employment records of these children and immediately make them wiki ambassadors to the unemployment office.

Can you see any moderately well run company putting up with these guys?

Dead men walking.

I was just wondering yesterday whether there was any news on Ms. Gardner's replacement. Hard job to recruit for... I'd imagine it might be hard to even recruit a headhunter.

[enwikibadscience]

I think it's penis/no penis.

I wish that the average male internet user could somehow be female for just one hour on line, for real, not just faking female.

I think you're reading too much of one thing into everything else. Jimmy was embarrassed by Sarah because he's been engaged in a months-long "public battle" with the "paid advocacy editors", and perhaps thinks that that is getting him more cushy speaking engagements. Kaldari's tasteless crowdsourced site isn't going to worry him (Bomis? Bomis?).

For the WMF, this is apples and oranges.

I think this is all pointless speculation. We can't "prove" that Wales was involved with, or even knew about, Stierch's abuses and eventual tossing out the door. Yes, it seems likely that Wales stuck his nose into it and had some role. Any of the oldtimers on this forum would agree that to be a likely case.

Barring the appearance of a "WMF Ed Snowden" with a load of internal documents showing various WMF and Jimbo malfeasance, it can't be proven for certain. For that matter, the NSA and the CIA leak like sieves; why doesn't this small-time nonprofit? (And I don't mean the Arbcom leaks, I mean official WMF information, directly involving employees of the WMF.)

True. But giving the appearance of favoring male employees and throwing female ones into the garbage just further damages their ability to attract female editors and their pretense of a desire to attract a more diverse editor population.

[The Joy]

And Oliver Keyes.
Ryan is vile but even he's not as bad as Oliver Keyes aka Ironholds.

Oh well, just a delayed moment.

Whenever Sue's replacement finally gets hired (and assuming it's not Erik Mo:eller), they're going to take a look at the employment records of these children and immediately make them wiki ambassadors to the unemployment office.

Can you see any moderately well run company putting up with these guys?

Dead men walking.

I was just wondering yesterday whether there was any news on Ms. Gardner's replacement. Hard job to recruit for... I'd imagine it might be hard to even recruit a headhunter.

I think it's been decided that the title of Executive Director will be shared by Erik Mo:eller, Oliver Keyes, and Ryan Kaldari. Sarah Stierch will be brought back as an unpaid secretarial intern for the Triumvirate. That would explain Kaldari's recent "wiki-break." He needs time to prepare for his new role.

Mo:eller, Keyes, and Kaldari guarding Jimbo while Stierch is unseen and working in the WMF kitchen where a woman belongs!

[Vigilant]

I've thought about what fun could be had by putting a couple of audio devices that plug into electrical outlets in WMF's headquarters.
Set them up to dump via wifi to a central collector. Process voice to text and then upload via cell to a cloud server.

Lessee, Sue, Erik, James Forrester, Ryan Kaldari, Oliver Keyes, Grace the dingbat from HR.

I bet you would hear some interesting things.

[dogbiscuit]

Lessee, Sue, Erik, James Forrester, Ryan Kaldari, Oliver Keyes, Grace the dingbat from HR.

I bet you would hear some interesting things.

You have a depressingly low threshold of "interesting" then - a bunch of giggling girlies tittering over Internet blogs, and soft porn sites, moaning about how passé Dilbert is while running round the office shouting Badger, Badger, Badger.

[Zoloft]

Pffft. Why bother to B&E their offices when you could just hack their phones? I think that some of Jimbo's circle (or at least people one degree removed) could give tips about that.

[enwikibadscience]

Lessee, Sue, Erik, James Forrester, Ryan Kaldari, Oliver Keyes, Grace the dingbat from HR.

I bet you would hear some interesting things.

You have a depressingly low threshold of "interesting" then - a bunch of giggling girlies tittering over Internet blogs, and soft porn sites, moaning about how passé Dilbert is while running round the office shouting Badger, Badger, Badger.

I suspect it would not be interesting.

[Vigilant]

I suspect that there is a culture of nasty gossip within those offices.

I suspect that you'd hear quite a few horrible things said that ought not to make the light of day.

[dogbiscuit]

I suspect that there is a culture of nasty gossip within those offices.

I suspect that you'd hear quite a few horrible things said that ought not to make the light of day.

I guess the other thing you'd hear is the noise of incompetent coders bemoaning the impossibility of their jobs.

[enwikibadscience]

I suspect that there is a culture of nasty gossip within those offices.

I suspect that you'd hear quite a few horrible things said that ought not to make the light of day.

Then is Ryan hosting?



(Maybe they'll whine about the few women on Wikipedia.)

[Peter Damian]

The idea that anyone who participated in a parody this tame would need banning from Wikipedia is ludicrous and absurd. […]Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 02:14, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

The Jon Benet Ramsey page shows four photos which are various modeling photos of her, nothing to do with her murder or body … Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:57, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

This is the Ramsey page.

Anne, 07/31/03: Such a Sweet Child, and from what I hear a really good lay!
Aborted, 07/31/03: I could have looked like her!....but NO, I took the quick ride down the suction tube then to the trash heap....do not pass goal, do not collect $200...BooHoo
Jesus, 08/08/03: You know, when I said "suffer the little children unto Me," I didn't mean to actually make them suffer. Except for this one. She was an obnoxious little bitch.
wesley, 08/25/03: anyone who looks that inbred deserves to die... in that way...
caitlin, 08/25/03: she wasn't gonna get any prettier anyways.

In what sense is this a ‘parody’ or ‘tame’? The one by ‘wesley’ is particularly repulsive. Why is Kaldari allowed anywhere near Wikipedia or the WMF? Why is ‘Georgewilliamherbert’ even attempting to defend him?

[lilburne]

If the site "had long outlived its purpose" as he says, why has he paid the hosting bills for over a decade now?

He might not be. I have a number of websites that are all on the same hosting plan. There is no financial benefit to ceasing hosting any one of them even if it hasn't been updated in years. The only regular payments would be for the domain name of any site. If I quite like the name or think that the name might be worth something in the future then then a few $ per year to keep it isn't going to break the bank.

[thekohser]

If the site "had long outlived its purpose" as he says, why has he paid the hosting bills for over a decade now?

He might not be. I have a number of websites that are all on the same hosting plan. There is no financial benefit to ceasing hosting any one of them even if it hasn't been updated in years. The only regular payments would be for the domain name of any site. If I quite like the name or think that the name might be worth something in the future then then a few $ per year to keep it isn't going to break the bank.

How many of your websites have a murder-parody theme?

[enwikibadscience]

The idea that anyone who participated in a parody this tame would need banning from Wikipedia is ludicrous and absurd. […]Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 02:14, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

The Jon Benet Ramsey page shows four photos which are various modeling photos of her, nothing to do with her murder or body … Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:57, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

This is the Ramsey page.

Anne, 07/31/03: Such a Sweet Child, and from what I hear a really good lay!
Aborted, 07/31/03: I could have looked like her!....but NO, I took the quick ride down the suction tube then to the trash heap....do not pass goal, do not collect $200...BooHoo
Jesus, 08/08/03: You know, when I said "suffer the little children unto Me," I didn't mean to actually make them suffer. Except for this one. She was an obnoxious little bitch.
wesley, 08/25/03: anyone who looks that inbred deserves to die... in that way...
caitlin, 08/25/03: she wasn't gonna get any prettier anyways.

In what sense is this a ‘parody’ or ‘tame’? The one by ‘wesley’ is particularly repulsive. Why is Kaldari allowed anywhere near Wikipedia or the WMF? Why is ‘Georgewilliamherbert’ even attempting to defend him?

It also appears that, in spite of denials, Ryan participated in some of the most horrific threads. (Pointed out by someone on ANI.)

[enwikibadscience]

This is the Ramsey page.

wesley, 08/25/03: anyone who looks that inbred deserves to die... in that way...
....

In what sense is this a ‘parody’ or ‘tame’? The one by ‘wesley’ is particularly repulsive. Why is Kaldari allowed anywhere near Wikipedia or the WMF? Why is ‘Georgewilliamherbert’ even attempting to defend him?

This is SOP for "one of our own got caught." I have seen this on ANI in the past, the sycophants just lie in support.

[lonza leggiera]

The idea that anyone who participated in a parody this tame would need banning from Wikipedia is ludicrous and absurd. […]Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 02:14, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

The Jon Benet Ramsey page shows four photos which are various modeling photos of her, nothing to do with her murder or body … Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:57, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

This is the Ramsey page.

Anne, 07/31/03: Such a Sweet Child, and from what I hear a really good lay!
Aborted, 07/31/03: I could have looked like her!....but NO, I took the quick ride down the suction tube then to the trash heap....do not pass goal, do not collect $200...BooHoo
Jesus, 08/08/03: You know, when I said "suffer the little children unto Me," I didn't mean to actually make them suffer. Except for this one. She was an obnoxious little bitch.
wesley, 08/25/03: anyone who looks that inbred deserves to die... in that way...
caitlin, 08/25/03: she wasn't gonna get any prettier anyways.

In what sense is this a ‘parody’ ... ?

I wondered that too, until I followed Kaldari's link to an archived sample of the now defunct friendster social networking site. The imitation component of the supposed parody apparently lies in the similarity between the presentations of profiles on the two sites. What is missing, of course—at least from any copies of the snuffter pages displayed in this thread—is the remotest hint of any comedic effect.

[Peter Damian]

This is the Ramsey page.

wesley, 08/25/03: anyone who looks that inbred deserves to die... in that way...
....

In what sense is this a ‘parody’ or ‘tame’? The one by ‘wesley’ is particularly repulsive. Why is Kaldari allowed anywhere near Wikipedia or the WMF? Why is ‘Georgewilliamherbert’ even attempting to defend him?

This is SOP for "one of our own got caught." I have seen this on ANI in the past, the sycophants just lie in support.

Seems to have upset at least one Wikipedian though.

This user is no longer active on Wikipedia.
Administrators should be held to a higher standard of accountability. The WMF's paid employees should be held to an even higher standard of accountability. This is just one big gravy train, with tens of millions of dollars pouring in every year (just in charitable donations - never mind the millions of dollars in perks, hospitality, travel and backscratching received by the elite). And it's all built on schmucks like me working for free.

You know what? I ain't doing that shit anymore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk: ... rry_Sorbet

[Lukeno94]

I can't say I blame Blackberry Sorbet. Georgewilliamherbert all but forced them into that decision.

[mac]

<clip>
Seems to have upset at least one Wikipedian though.

This user is no longer active on Wikipedia.
Administrators should be held to a higher standard of accountability. The WMF's paid employees should be held to an even higher standard of accountability. This is just one big gravy train, with tens of millions of dollars pouring in every year (just in charitable donations - never mind the millions of dollars in perks, hospitality, travel and backscratching received by the elite). And it's all built on schmucks like me working for free.

You know what? I ain't doing that shit anymore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk: ... rry_Sorbet

The edit summary says a lot:

(cur | prev) 12:24, 8 March 2014‎ Blackberry Sorbet (talk | contribs)‎ . . (518 bytes) (+11)‎ . . ({{retired}} I will not work for free in order to pay Ryan Kaldari's wages) (undo | thank)

2539 edits since: 2011-09-25

Perhaps we will see them here soon.

[Kelly Martin]

I can't say I blame Blackberry Sorbet. Georgewilliamherbert all but forced them into that decision.

I'm more interested in understanding why GWH felt that Blackberry Sorbet (of all those who objected) needed to be taken out. What does GWH know that we don't?

[Lukeno94]

I can't say I blame Blackberry Sorbet. Georgewilliamherbert all but forced them into that decision.

I'm more interested in understanding why GWH felt that Blackberry Sorbet (of all those who objected) needed to be taken out. What does GWH know that we don't?

A very good question. That, or they were just an "easy target" (perceived or otherwise).

[TungstenCarbide]

I can't say I blame Blackberry Sorbet. Georgewilliamherbert all but forced them into that decision.

I'm more interested in understanding why GWH felt that Blackberry Sorbet (of all those who objected) needed to be taken out. What does GWH know that we don't?

A very good question. That, or they were just an "easy target" (perceived or otherwise).

easy target. GWH likes to swagger around and lecture, but he doesn't have the gumption for a serious fight.

[enwikibadscience]

I can't say I blame Blackberry Sorbet. Georgewilliamherbert all but forced them into that decision.

I'm more interested in understanding why GWH felt that Blackberry Sorbet (of all those who objected) needed to be taken out. What does GWH know that we don't?

A very good question. That, or they were just an "easy target" (perceived or otherwise).

I think there are a lot of peeps at en.Wikipedia who know more about Ryan Kaldari than we know. Did anyone else catch this exchange?

What does John Cline (T-C-L) know, and what do the oversiters know, and what does GWH know about Ryan Kaldari that they are protecting?

Is John Cline also a swaggerer? There are a lot of them on en.Wikipedia.

Enquiring minds also want to know.

[enwikibadscience]

And on Hell's talk page.

The outing team is apparently too busy to get to it now, but John Cline is informing everyone that the information does out Kaldari, and has been reported, and, when the oversiters can get their acts together, they will go through and suppress all this personally identifying information that Kaldari doesn't seem to concerned about?

Could be just bluster; but also could be something else going on here.

[Kelly Martin]

The outing team is apparently too busy to get to it now, but John Cline is informing everyone that the information does out Kaldari, and has been reported, and, when the oversiters can get their acts together, they will go through and suppress all this personally identifying information that Kaldari doesn't seem to concerned about?

Could be just bluster; but also could be something else going on here.

My take on it is this is John Cline trying to cement his ultraexpansive take on the outing policy (which is as I described it recently: "outing" consists of revealing any information about any person that they did not themselves reveal on Wikipedia). We should assume that John Cline has skeletons in his closet that he is attempting to protect.

[Vigilant]

The link that John Cline seems to be trying to suppress is a partial screen cap that I took and put on imgur.com.

I have to agree with the Hell... editor. There's nothing remotely close to an outing charge that can be supported there.

John Cline appears to be just another malicious fool.

Bet everyone here a dollar that oversight (or whoever) doesn't suppress the links to imgur and he doesn't put it back.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[Vigilant]

We should assume that John Cline has skeletons in his closet that he is attempting to protect.

But I'm so full from Ryan Kaldari already...

I couldn't eat another bite.

Just one wafer thin Cline...

[enwikibadscience]

The outing team is apparently too busy to get to it now, but John Cline is informing everyone that the information does out Kaldari, and has been reported, and, when the oversiters can get their acts together, they will go through and suppress all this personally identifying information that Kaldari doesn't seem to concerned about?

Could be just bluster; but also could be something else going on here.

My take on it is this is John Cline trying to cement his ultraexpansive take on the outing policy (which is as I described it recently: "outing" consists of revealing any information about any person that they did not themselves reveal on Wikipedia). We should assume that John Cline has skeletons in his closet that he is attempting to protect.

Could be, but he has called so much attention to himself by doing so. Oh, wait, en.Wikipedia, it's like the results of Kaldari's sycophants demanding he not be blocked--called excess attention to Ryan Kaldari, who could not simply shut up, resulting in the exposure of him as the sponsor of a despicable website.

[Peter Damian]

So let me understood. Kaldari started the Wikipedia Project against Censorship in August 2005. So he’s against censorship. But now he wants to suppress any mention on Wikipedia of his ownership of a website which published this sick page. The page is an image and contains no identifying information. The only thing he is trying to suppress is the connection between himself and the page. If that isn’t censorship, what is? Why doesn’t his head explode with the cognitive dissonance?

[enwikibadscience]

The link that John Cline seems to be trying to suppress is a partial screen cap that I took and put on imgur.com.

I have to agree with the Hell... editor. There's nothing remotely close to an outing charge that can be supported there.

John Cline appears to be just another malicious fool.

Bet everyone here a dollar that oversight (or whoever) doesn't suppress the links to imgur and he doesn't put it back.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

If they were going to oversite it, they would have. I've requested material to be oversited, very young child publishing address type, and it's been taken care of within minutes.

However, I did once have an oversiter disagree with me, and I discussed it with another oversiter, who did agree with me. This took a little time. But, I think not very much. So, that John Cline has reported it days ago, and it's still up, suggests he knows it's not going to be oversited, but is calling deliberate attention to the material, by stating LOUDLY, in Jimbo's talk page history, one of the most watched pages on en.Wikipedia, that it requires oversiting.

I think he's driving editors to your image; and, I think you paid him to do so.

No bet.

[enwikibadscience]

So let me understood. Kaldari started the Wikipedia Project against Censorship in August 2005. So he’s against censorship. But now he wants to suppress any mention on Wikipedia of his ownership of a website which published this sick page. The page is an image and contains no identifying information. The only thing he is trying to suppress is the connection between himself and the page. If that isn’t censorship, what is? Why doesn’t his head explode with the cognitive dissonance?

I don't see any indication that Kaldari cares whether it is oversited or not. It's some perverse game going on.

[Tippi Hadron]

<clip>
Seems to have upset at least one Wikipedian though.

This user is no longer active on Wikipedia.
Administrators should be held to a higher standard of accountability. The WMF's paid employees should be held to an even higher standard of accountability. This is just one big gravy train, with tens of millions of dollars pouring in every year (just in charitable donations - never mind the millions of dollars in perks, hospitality, travel and backscratching received by the elite). And it's all built on schmucks like me working for free.

You know what? I ain't doing that shit anymore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk: ... rry_Sorbet

The edit summary says a lot:

(cur | prev) 12:24, 8 March 2014‎ Blackberry Sorbet (talk | contribs)‎ . . (518 bytes) (+11)‎ . . ({{retired}} I will not work for free in order to pay Ryan Kaldari's wages) (undo | thank)

2539 edits since: 2011-09-25

Perhaps we will see them here soon.

Perhaps he's here already, like "Hell might be other people", trying to improve his beloved WP by fraternizing with the enemy. Perhaps they're one and the VPN same.

"Rock out with your sock out!" should be WP's new motto.

[thekohser]

So let me understood. Kaldari started the Wikipedia Project against Censorship in August 2005. So he’s against censorship. But now he wants to suppress any mention on Wikipedia of his ownership of a website which published this sick page. The page is an image and contains no identifying information. The only thing he is trying to suppress is the connection between himself and the page. If that isn’t censorship, what is? Why doesn’t his head explode with the cognitive dissonance?

That's easy, Peter. In 2005, Kaldari wasn't in the paid employ of the Wikimedia Foundation. So, it cost him nothing to say how much he opposes censorship. Now that he has a paycheck on the line, he needs the censorship to help protect that money source, so he's modified his perspective on censorship more than a bit.

It's what we adults recognize as what happens when you "grow up" or "wake up and smell the coffee".

[Kelly Martin]

So let me understood. Kaldari started the Wikipedia Project against Censorship in August 2005. So he’s against censorship. But now he wants to suppress any mention on Wikipedia of his ownership of a website which published this sick page. The page is an image and contains no identifying information. The only thing he is trying to suppress is the connection between himself and the page. If that isn’t censorship, what is? Why doesn’t his head explode with the cognitive dissonance?

That's easy, Peter. In 2005, Kaldari wasn't in the paid employ of the Wikimedia Foundation. So, it cost him nothing to say how much he opposes censorship. Now that he has a paycheck on the line, he needs the censorship to help protect that money source, so he's modified his perspective on censorship more than a bit.

I think it's simpler than that. It's simply not censorship when you're deciding what gets published and what doesn't; that's just "sound editorial judgment".

But, as we've said, Kaldari doesn't appear to be attempting to suppress this information; that's mainly John Cline's battle (and one which he seems to be losing). And while one can never be certain on Wikipedia, I rather doubt that John Cline and Ryan Kaldari are the same person.

[lilburne]

If the site "had long outlived its purpose" as he says, why has he paid the hosting bills for over a decade now?

He might not be. I have a number of websites that are all on the same hosting plan. There is no financial benefit to ceasing hosting any one of them even if it hasn't been updated in years. The only regular payments would be for the domain name of any site. If I quite like the name or think that the name might be worth something in the future then then a few $ per year to keep it isn't going to break the bank.

How many of your websites have a murder-parody theme?

There aren't enough politicians assassinated to make it a worthwhile hobby.

[lilburne]

I can't say I blame Blackberry Sorbet. Georgewilliamherbert all but forced them into that decision.

Makes no difference they'll be another schmuck along in a moment. Its a certainty that most of them haven't realized. They have no skills in writing an educational resource and as such are all equally replaceable by the next 16 yo that comes along.

[EricBarbour]

Well, then, instead of complaining, why don't you people figure out who "John Cline" is?

Here's a few clues: he started out as My76Strat (T-C-L), a noticeboard troll who took FOUR RFAs, and flunked every one of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... y76Strat_4

First appeared in March 2010 and did a lot of work on Whiskey in the Jar (T-H-L). He also did military history and chemical weapons. Soon he had editing bots set up. His recent history has been mostly vandalism patrolling. It could not be more obvious that he's angling for another RFA under this new name. He's a big supporter of the notorious Betacommand, as is evident right on his userpage. And he's got some kind of connection to oldtimer administrator JohnCD (T-C-L).

(PS, try Hephzibah, GA.)

[Malleus]

I can't say I blame Blackberry Sorbet. Georgewilliamherbert all but forced them into that decision.

Makes no difference they'll be another schmuck along in a moment. Its a certainty that most of them haven't realized. They have no skills in writing an educational resource and as such are all equally replaceable by the next 16 yo that comes along.

I don't doubt that's the WMF's position, but they have no skills in anything, so ...

[Poetlister]

Why doesn’t his head explode with the cognitive dissonance?

Surely you've read "1984" Peter. That's an elementary piece of doublethink.

[Mancunium]

I've thought about what fun could be had by putting a couple of audio devices that plug into electrical outlets in WMF's headquarters.
Set them up to dump via wifi to a central collector. Process voice to text and then upload via cell to a cloud server.

Lessee, Sue, Erik, James Forrester, Ryan Kaldari, Oliver Keyes, Grace the dingbat from HR.

I bet you would hear some interesting things.

As always, Vigilant has the best ideas. Why do some people here discourage him?

[Abd]

I see that Kaldari only recently lost the bit. rights log. I just looked at this thread today, and I remembered an interaction with Kaldari on Wikiversity. By no means the worst Wikipedian to show up there, but it was weird. Bristly. Readily took a reference to history, a bad block (of him, not by him), as a threat. While he regretted that Wikiversity was a hangout for trolls.

He did do some nice work there. Some discussion on Wikiversity brings back memories of old times....

[Peter Damian]

Why doesn’t his head explode with the cognitive dissonance?

Surely you've read "1984" Peter. That's an elementary piece of doublethink.

I have but I always thought of it as a piece of fiction.

[Mancunium]

I see that Kaldari only recently lost the bit. rights log. I just looked at this thread today, and I remembered an interaction with Kaldari on Wikiversity. By no means the worst Wikipedian to show up there, but it was weird. Bristly. Readily took a reference to history, a bad block (of him, not by him), as a threat. While he regretted that Wikiversity was a hangout for trolls.

He did do some nice work there. Some discussion on Wikiversity brings back memories of old times....

Oh dear. I followed your link to Kaldari's Wikiversity page, and now I want to know all about the Unified Theory of Interactions (link and link).

[enwikibadscience]

I see that Kaldari only recently lost the bit. rights log. I just looked at this thread today, and I remembered an interaction with Kaldari on Wikiversity. By no means the worst Wikipedian to show up there, but it was weird. Bristly. Readily took a reference to history, a bad block (of him, not by him), as a threat. While he regretted that Wikiversity was a hangout for trolls.

He did do some nice work there. Some discussion on Wikiversity brings back memories of old times....

Oh dear. I followed your link to Kaldari's Wikiversity page, and now I want to know all about the Unified Theory of Interactions (link and link).

I didn't. And, I don't.