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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... al_attacks |  |  |  | Quote: I need to see more statements, before making up my mind; however, at first glance, there are two aspects that IMHO should be emphasised. First, while IRC is technically off-wiki, in my opinion, it's different from sites such as Wikipediocracy, because IRC has strong ties to the community that other sites lack. And, second, Ironholds, you are an admin (and a Foundation employee), so you really should know better. Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC) |  |  |  |  |
_________________Albert Einstein: "I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots." That day has already arrived
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Malleus
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 |  |  |  | neved wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&oldid=563041580#Offsite_comments_and_personal_attacks  |  |  |  | Quote: I need to see more statements, before making up my mind; however, at first glance, there are two aspects that IMHO should be emphasised. First, while IRC is technically off-wiki, in my opinion, it's different from sites such as Wikipediocracy, because IRC has strong ties to the community that other sites lack. And, second, Ironholds, you are an admin (and a Foundation employee), so you really should know better. Salvio Let's talk about it! 00:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC) |  |  |  |  |
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Ironholds is an idiot who ought to be sacked. But he won't be.
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DanMurphy
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Every time you prevent information from being FREEEE!!!! God kills a puppy, Mr. Keyes of the Wikimedia Foundation. Sheesh. The more I see of young Mr. Keyes, the less I like:
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Vigilant
Witchsmeller Pursuivant
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:16 pm Posts: 7383
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I'm a spokesman for the WMF, but in my off time on an admin channel, I behave like a complete fuckwit!
Can't you fools see the difference?
Must be that "bipolar/autistic/asperger's/IQ of 145" shit acting up again.
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Wikipedia User: Goodmachine
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_________________ “People are being manipulated, [...] their idealism is exploited.” - Wikimania 2014 attendee
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Jim
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Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:33 am Posts: 858
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In my much younger days, I was tasked with an important project for a large company. It was a difficult project to implement, in that it "trod on some toes" and required that some very powerful people accept some changes to the status quo. I found it hard to reconcile my own perceived sense of self importance at being given this task with the reality of it all. It was the first time I had been required to interact in such "exalted" circles. So one day, in the pub after work, I got drunk, went on a huge rant, and told everyone who would listen how I felt about these obstructive pillars of the establishment, and how they wouldn't be allowed to "stand in my way". Well, I was "right", they weren't allowed to do that, and "my" project was implemented. It took me a couple of years to properly understand why I never got given another similar project to champion for that company, and why I ended up having to leave and find a position elsewhere in order to get the career advancement I desired. We live, we learn...
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TungstenCarbide
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heh, discretion is one of those requirements for certain positions that if you have to be told, you're not ready.
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Vigilant
Witchsmeller Pursuivant
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:16 pm Posts: 7383
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It's not even that. The total lack of a real human resource department means that hiring at WMF is down to, "Hey! I know a guy!" type of shit. Anyone with an HR background looking into Oliver Keyes background would have completely and utterly disqualified him from being accepted into ANY customer facing position. By his OWN ADMISSION, he's bipolar, autistic and has Aperger's. What. The. Fuck? What company on earth would hire anyone like that for a PR role? In the real world, that would be grounds for terminating the hiring manager.
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Vigilant
Witchsmeller Pursuivant
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... al_attacksThis is quite the unbelievable statement. This is such a non serious thing. I am above the law. I so rarely descend to the mortal plane... Never mind that I am one of them and am an employee of the venue wherein this is being discussed. Further, I have expressed public contempt for one of the founders who is currently on the board of directors. Even better, I proudly sneer at all and sundry while serving as a contract employee with a Public Relations role. As a Public Relations person, I have incredibly thin skin and a desire for revenge that completely overrides my employer's needs and desires. I do what I want, you don't know me! I'm annoyed that I got caught. It's like those pesky camera phones that keep busting the police during "assault under color of authority" situations. The rules are for little people. Why, oh why, do I have to deal with these little people? I am untouchable, bitches! I'm going to frame the questions for you, since you're too dumb to do this for yourself. Please respond only to my strawmen. All external venues are the same and should apply for all people, regardless of their roles on wikipedia. Never mind that I am paid to be a public face of the WMF and completely ignore my abysmal history. I sure wish we could get back to the good, old days where anyone logging and posting my actions on IRC was grounds for immediately blocking (on the admin channel of all places! the cheek!) obviating the need for me to respond to their stupid and petty concerns. On the other hand, external criticism sites must be scraped assiduously to ascertain the identities of the unclean so we can cast them even further from our hallowed shores! Why won't the sacred inquisitors stop looking at me?
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Jim
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Indeed. I'm glad, in retrospect, that I was able and allowed to learn it relatively painlessly - I might not have been so lucky - some aren't.
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Jim
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 You precisely echo my own reaction to that pile of self-serving drivel he posted. I'll correct my earlier cliche:
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Randy from Boise
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I'm pretty sure that Ironholds was the admin that gave me (out of the blue) auto-reviewed status, which felt like a huge honor and has proven to be a real stress-lessener and a boon to my work at WP. So I'm not gonna be the one to talk shit about him.
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Vigilant
Witchsmeller Pursuivant
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Randy from Boise
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See Loyalty (T-H-L) and Respect (T-H-L). RfB
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thekohser
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Thank you for demonstrating so clearly your lack of a spine.
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Randy from Boise
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You do what you want; until Keyes does something to me or my friends, I'm not going there. He was nice to me once. RfB
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Vigilant
Witchsmeller Pursuivant
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Are you that short of real friends? In the words of Garth,
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Randy from Boise
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Bottom line is this: if you all were making a 100 point compendium of everything that is bent, twisted, or broken about WP, Oliver Keyes and his failed efforts at a joke wouldn't even crack the list.
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The Adversary
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So therefor he gets a free card to do anything ...to anyone? Seriously, I would not like to have friends who treated me this way!
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Vigilant
Witchsmeller Pursuivant
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It isn't his "joke". His "joke" is only the latest shitheel thing he's done. He's a long term, serial dickmitten who is about to get the Fae/Qworty/LGR treatment. This is made ever more delicious due to his employment situation. I find his mandated and vigilant(HA!) defense of the complete cowpat of a software project, the VisualEditor aka the EditorEnema, to be so sublimely apropos that I must suppose that somewhere a minor godling of mischief and irony has worked his masterpiece upon human existence and now rests upon his laurels basking in the adulation of all the other entities in his pantheon. He is supposed to be a public face for the WMF and he is ROUTINELY found to be behaving like a petulant child with a handgun. If there is anyone even remotely competent in the managerial ranks, then he is not long for the WMF. Of course, given the current evidence for said competence, he's probably picking out a pension and a retirement villa.
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Randy from Boise
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Show us what he's done. Is he a libertine with the block button? Not that I'm aware. Does he run to mommy every time something goes wrong for him? Not that I'm aware. Does he start lynch mobs? Throw gasoline on the fire? Not that I'm aware. Is he one of The Usual Suspects at Commons? I must have missed it... He works for The Company, spouts the company line, and is catty on IRC. Which is, what, a minor misdemeanor? RfB
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Vigilant
Witchsmeller Pursuivant
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Here's another very dumb person. Let me try to spell this out for you hockey-sped. I'll type slowly since I am pretty sure you don't read well. Let's see if you can spot the differences, mkay? Which one of these two editors: * Is an admin? * Posts threats in an IRC venue that Jimmy has said is part of wikipedia's purview? * Works for the WMF in a Public Relations role? If you got all three right then you might be able to fill in the blank below. ________________ has a fiduciary duty to keep his dick in his pants when talking in public about wikipedia.
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Vigilant
Witchsmeller Pursuivant
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Ruh roh! The digerati are taking notice of one of their enforcer's bad habits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Lack_of_volunteer_testers_.3F |  |  |  | Quote: I'm sorry, Okeyes (WMF), but I'm finding your responses to be lacking information and quite bitey. I think it's pretty clear that it didn't really matter how many experienced volunteers you had in the early going, because many crucial functions of the VE weren't operational until less than 24 hours before the software became the default. Now, if that was part of the plan, then the feedback to be taken in is that it wasn't a particularly good part. If it wasn't part of the plan, then the feedback is "this shouldn't happen". Just think if you'd had a week of testing with half the volunteer testers trying out the referencing and template interfaces, and how many bugs could have been addressed before you had a large number of editors deciding to turn it off almost entirely because of the bugs. Just imagine if this had not gone live at the same time as ULS, which also had significant bugs that wound up rebounding on VE because everyone noticed VE and not ULS. These are things that can be learned and noted for future roll-outs. A member of the WMF team recently posted a blog[32] that focused on the opportunity to learn from "non-successes" and plans that did not go well. We need to acknowledge where things can be improved, or we are doomed to continue having the same negative responses over and over. I would have thought that there would have been more learning from the rollout of Echo/Notifications that should have been applied here, for example. People, and projects, are not expected to be perfect - but there is a reasonable expectation that we won't keep seeing the same problems time and again. Risker (talk) 02:55, 6 July 2013 (UTC) |  |  |  |  |
It can't be long now.
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URL again - lol
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Vigilant
Witchsmeller Pursuivant
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Allie, you're making me feel old and dumb... *sigh* From the badmachine ED article. It's hard to overestimate how bad this looks for Oliver Keyes https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Badmachine#lolThis has been going on for a long, long time. Oliver Keyes behaves like a douchebag to someone on IRC and then claims he's there in a personal role. Hello wikidigerati, Are you seeing the pattern yet?
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The Devil's Advocate
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Well, there was that one time.
_________________"For those who stubbornly seek freedom around the world, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination." - Noam Chomsky
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The Joy
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So if Hitler gave you a puppy and you had no Jewish friends, you would not speak ill of him?
_________________ "In the long run, volunteers are the most expensive workers you'll ever have." -Red Green
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Zoloft
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"First they came for my puppy, so I shot Hitler."
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Vigilant
Witchsmeller Pursuivant
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Now this is weird. I was going to make the "first they came" joke, but I figured that was beyond the bounds of good taste. It must be opposite day.
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Zoloft
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For a zalid explanation, see: link
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Vigilant
Witchsmeller Pursuivant
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Apostrophe revenge! SilverSeren sure does get his fuzzy undies into a wad.
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Zoloft
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_________________ ♪♫ Isn't it enough to know I ruined a pony making a gift for you? ♫♪
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Jim
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True story:Actually, it's even weirder than that... I was going to do that, too, but my version was unfunny and bad taste, and involved Socialists So I didn't... True story - I promise 
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Peter Damian
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_________________ Man rejoices in the very consideration of truth; yet he may sometimes grieve for the thing, the truth of which he considers: it is thus that sorrow is ascribed to knowledge
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Kiefer.Wolfowitz
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At ANI, he threatened to "thwapp" any administrator reverting my block for discussing the recruitment of child soldiers (which was mistaken for raising a concern about predatory grooming) and misquoted me as alleging "young boys" (rather than "young men") as the targets. He has been quoted here (from IRC) bragging about his trolling of me (and others).
_________________Kiefer.Wolfowitz (T-C-L)You run into assholes all day; you're the asshole.
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Peter Damian
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I met him a few years ago in London. He struck me as a sad character, quite bitter that he had trained as a lawyer, but had only been able to find probate work, which he was contemptuous of, and which he implied was beneath his talent and his dignity.
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Anroth
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Is he an idiot? Until people *stop* dying, who can complain about a never-ending source of work? But since we are on the subject, UK rules on workplace relations are quite clear that volunteers are subject to the same rights as employees when it comes to things like this. Someone should just ask Mr Beaudette where a formal grievance against a WMF employee can be raised.
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Peter Damian
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Lol. Probate work is not well paid, and does not enjoy a particularly high status in the profession.
_________________ Man rejoices in the very consideration of truth; yet he may sometimes grieve for the thing, the truth of which he considers: it is thus that sorrow is ascribed to knowledge
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Anroth
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On the other hand he can work at McDonalds. (Where his recent comments would have had him fired.) If his choice of employment is law, at least probate would be using his (no doubt expensive) qualification. I suppose it is a pointless discussion now anyway, since he is on the WMF gravy train.
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thekohser
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Here's another Ironholds IRC chat log:
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eppur si muove
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I suspect that the legal profession is the sort that might strike people off for things said away from work. Social work is certainly very po-faced and I feel more free to say things now that I ain't going back.
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Peter Damian
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_________________ Man rejoices in the very consideration of truth; yet he may sometimes grieve for the thing, the truth of which he considers: it is thus that sorrow is ascribed to knowledge
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Jim
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That doesn't surprise me. Everything I see about him says "I am an immeasurably huge talent, stuck in a situation far beneath my worth". The disconnect appears to be between where he places his worth and where the rest of the world places it. I hope he will be freed from his current burdens at the WMF if he continues to approach them with such arrogance and lack of self awareness. In his current PR role, his approach to disgruntled "customers" is basically to tell them to stop causing trouble and be grateful instead for the great things done by him and his colleagues on their behalf. That will always go down well... I guess legal training has not prepared him in any way for Customer Service - go figure...
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Peter Damian
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Just found this http://blog.ironholds.orgHere http://blog.ironholds.org/?p=296 the young man explains how to hire people. Thanks for that. Endlessly fascinating.
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Vigilant
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Perfect. Customers are the problem http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =563053776Fuckers... I would like to know who hired this leaky prick as a PR person.
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Hex
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I have to agree with this, particularly on the assessment of "catty". A threat that was not. I don't know why you've seized on this with such vigor, Vigilant; were you equally as outraged when Eric made the infamous "box cutter" comment? Or did that not matter because he doesn't work for an organization you dislike? Not trying to start a fight with you, I just think you're overreacting a bit.
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Silly Kumioko! Don't you know that you should have simply said you wanted some oil so you could burn the development team?
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Randy from Boise
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So Oliver Keyes is Hitler?!?! Godwin Prize Nominee for 2013.RfB
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Vigilant
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Wikipedia Review Member: Vigilant
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We're not going to fight. Oliver Keyes has a long history of being a douchebag online, especially on IRC. He is an admin and an employee of the WMF. As an employee of the WMF, he has a fiduciary duty to act in the WMF's best interests. His "joke" would have gotten any bog standard editor indeffed. In the real employment world, his "joke" would have gotten any customer facing employee fired and perp walked out the door. In a face to face meeting, his "joke" would have gotten him a trip to the hospital. It is only within the confines of the insane asylum where the wikirules dictate that IRC log posting is a vastly worse offense than the transgression proved by said logs. There is some sort of false equivalency going on here. Oliver Keyes is a customer relations employee of the WMF who "joked" about burning a customer to death.We are not employees of any organization, though I do, occasionally, consider rendering a bill for services in this forum. As an aside, I don't recall the origins of the boxcutter kerfluffle. Could you refresh my aging brain, please?
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Last edited by Vigilant on Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Vigilant
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Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:16 pm Posts: 7383
Wikipedia User: Vigilant
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Dude, He ticked a box that changed a single bit of information in your pretend world social networking gameplay. He did not: * send your kids to college * cure your wife of a fatal disease * pay off your mortgage * save your dog from a flooded river You've gone all Brokeback Mountain here.
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Malleus
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He is, on the other hand, a complete arsehole.
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