Wikimedia UK 2012 AGM (including elections)

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Re: Wikimedia UK 2012 AGM (including elections)

Unread post by Notvelty » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:54 pm

ErrantX wrote: No; read again. I argue that putting them into a catch 22 situation, where part of the point is the catch them in an unfortunate response, is self-defeating. Having a question that boils down to "Would you recommend showing porn to children?" isn't a difficult question.
The question of "Commons has highly visible porn, what advice would you give to schools and other youth groups?" much more focuses on the point of asking such a question.
Catching someone out in saying "Yes" is fun and all, but doesn't really do all that much in the long term.
Nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. But there does seem to be something wrong with your snipping. You seem to have accidentally removed a pertinent section of my reply.
What I'd like you to do, though, is to make up your mind. First you say the question is a catch and then you say it boils down to something simple. I agree with the second, but fail to see the catch. Unless you honestly believe a person who answered in the affirmative deserves a vote... and I don't think you do mean that.
As for your question, it's much worse as it places the burden on the parent or school. Frankly, that assumption is distasteful. I hope you didn't mean it to do so, but your phrasing invites the candidate to make it not their problem (and several have done just that). It's a neutered, Dorothy Dix question. Frankly I'm a little dissapointed that Andreas did not hold his ground and I hope he sees the results of giving in this time as a reason not to do so the next.
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Re: Wikimedia UK 2012 AGM (including elections)

Unread post by HRIP7 » Wed May 09, 2012 2:47 pm

Moonage Daydream wrote:How is your membership to WMUK coming?
Approved today. :)

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Unread post by The Joy » Wed May 09, 2012 10:53 pm

HRIP7 wrote:
Moonage Daydream wrote:How is your membership to WMUK coming?
Approved today. :)
Is Richard going to answer your questions? :unsure:
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Unread post by dogbiscuit » Wed May 09, 2012 11:29 pm

The Joy wrote:
HRIP7 wrote:
Moonage Daydream wrote:How is your membership to WMUK coming?
Approved today. :)
Is Richard going to answer your questions? :unsure:
There are several candidates who aren't really very interested in the questions at all. One presumes that this will count against them.
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Unread post by SB_Johnny » Wed May 09, 2012 11:33 pm

dogbiscuit wrote:
The Joy wrote:
HRIP7 wrote:
Moonage Daydream wrote:How is your membership to WMUK coming?
Approved today. :)
Is Richard going to answer your questions? :unsure:
There are several candidates who aren't really very interested in the questions at all. One presumes that this will count against them.
Stonewalling is surprisingly effective, at least in US elections.

(Do Brits know that stonewalling has nothing to do with the Stonewall Riots? No offense, but it just came to mind.)
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Unread post by eppur si muove » Thu May 10, 2012 1:12 am

SB_Johnny wrote:
dogbiscuit wrote:
The Joy wrote:
HRIP7 wrote:
Moonage Daydream wrote:How is your membership to WMUK coming?
Approved today. :)
Is Richard going to answer your questions? :unsure:
There are several candidates who aren't really very interested in the questions at all. One presumes that this will count against them.
Stonewalling is surprisingly effective, at least in US elections.

(Do Brits know that stonewalling has nothing to do with the Stonewall Riots? No offense, but it just came to mind.)
I would connect it with someone called Jackson (and not the King of Pop either).

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Unread post by HRIP7 » Thu May 10, 2012 2:24 am

The Joy wrote: Is Richard going to answer your questions? :unsure:
Richard is a teller, rather than a candidate, so he doesn't have to answer them. His job was just to quibble with them. :)

Some of the candidates are very tardy with the questions though (not just my questions).

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Unread post by Moonage Daydream » Thu May 10, 2012 2:53 am

HRIP7 wrote:Some of the candidates are very tardy with the questions though (not just my questions).
I was looking forward to the answers from Alison Fayers-Kerr, after her wonderful candidate's statement. Allow me to quote just one of the gems:
Wikipedia is not without flaws but is so inexorably unique and vital that I am definitely up for grabs in promoting the organisation which underpins the financial stability and future of its independent growth: Wikimedia UK.

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Unread post by Silent Editor » Thu May 10, 2012 4:42 am

Moonage Daydream wrote:I was looking forward to the answers from Alison Fayers-Kerr, after her wonderful candidate's statement. Allow me to quote just one of the gems:
Wikipedia is not without flaws but is so inexorably unique and vital that I am definitely up for grabs in promoting the organisation which underpins the financial stability and future of its independent growth: Wikimedia UK.
My goodness. Her whole statement is quite... entertaining.

Doesn't exactly inspire confidence though, does it?
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Unread post by Retrospect » Thu May 10, 2012 11:40 am

dogbiscuit wrote:There are several candidates who aren't really very interested in the questions at all. One presumes that this will count against them.
One may presume that. As two heads are better than one, two will presume that the fuckwiths will neither know nor care. Think they'll bother to read the shitty textwalls?

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Unread post by Vocal » Thu May 10, 2012 4:52 pm

Retrospect wrote:Think they'll bother to read the shitty textwalls?
Not if they have any respect for their brain cells. Just that one sentence that was quoted earlier was painful to read, so reading everything would probably slash 50 points off someone's IQ.

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Unread post by Vigilant » Thu May 10, 2012 8:31 pm

RED2 wrote:
Retrospect wrote:Think they'll bother to read the shitty textwalls?
Not if they have any respect for their brain cells. Just that one sentence that was quoted earlier was painful to read, so reading everything would probably slash 50 points off someone's IQ.
If my guess is correct, that could kill over half the editors on wikipedia is it got into the wild...
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Unread post by lilburne » Fri May 11, 2012 9:15 am

Can we create campaign posters?

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Unread post by Retrospect » Fri May 11, 2012 11:56 am

RED2 wrote:
Retrospect wrote:Think they'll bother to read the shitty textwalls?
Not if they have any respect for their brain cells. Just that one sentence that was quoted earlier was painful to read, so reading everything would probably slash 50 points off someone's IQ.
Aarghh! That would leave me just a few points above average! :noooo:

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Unread post by EricBarbour » Fri May 11, 2012 8:22 pm

lilburne wrote:Can we create campaign posters?
No good, man. It has to be gay bondage torture, or nothing.

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Re: Wikimedia UK 2012 AGM (including elections)

Unread post by HRIP7 » Sat May 12, 2012 8:06 pm

The election results have been published on the Wikimedia UK mailing list:
Dear all,

Here are the results of the resolutions and elections held at the Wikimedia UK AGM today:

Resolutions

1. Change of name: passed with 2 votes against and 4 abstentions
2. Registration in Scotland: passed with 1 vote against and 5 abstentions
3. Increasing the term of Board members: passed with 46 votes in favour, 10 against and 5 abstentions
4. Membership fees: passed without objection (1 abstention)
5. Appoint Board members: passed without objection (2 abstentions)
6. Approve 2011 accounts: passed without objection (7 abstentions)
7. Approve 2012 accounts: withdrawn
8. Re-appoint auditors: passed without objection (6 abstentions)

Please note that for all resolutions except number 3, the actual tally of votes in favour was not kept as the show of hands and number of proxy votes given to the Tellers was sufficient to show an overwhelming majority in favour.

Election of Board members

The number of votes given for each candidate was as follows:

Christopher Keating 52
Michael Peel 50
Ashley Van Haeften 49
Joscelyn Upendran 48
John Byrne 46
Roger Bamkin 46
Doug Taylor 40
Steve Virgin 38
Saad Choudri 34
Roshana Gammampila 27
Katie Chan 26
Alison Fayers-Kerr 11
Christopher Allen 10
Thomas Nichols 6
Gary Hayes 2
Junior Campbell 1

The total number of votes cast was 61, and therefore candidates required a minimum of 31 votes to be eligible for election.

Therefore Christopher Keating, Michael Peel, Ashley Van Haeften, Joscelyn Upendran,John Byrne, Roger Bamkin and Doug Taylor have been duly elected to serve as Directors of Wikimedia UK.

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Unread post by EricBarbour » Sat May 12, 2012 8:18 pm

HRIP7 wrote:Therefore Christopher Keating, Michael Peel, Ashley Van Haeften, Joscelyn Upendran,John Byrne, Roger Bamkin and Doug Taylor have been duly elected to serve as Directors of Wikimedia UK.
Lovely. Whatever he's saying off-wiki to WMUK members is proving to be extremely effective.
Any bets that it involves endless bleating about "stalking", homophobia, and this horrible forum?

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Unread post by Vigilant » Sun May 13, 2012 2:33 am

EricBarbour wrote:
HRIP7 wrote:Therefore Christopher Keating, Michael Peel, Ashley Van Haeften, Joscelyn Upendran,John Byrne, Roger Bamkin and Doug Taylor have been duly elected to serve as Directors of Wikimedia UK.
Lovely. Whatever he's saying off-wiki to WMUK members is proving to be extremely effective.
Any bets that it involves endless bleating about "stalking", homophobia, and this horrible forum?
Now that Ashley is elected, someone should pass hi ED page to the Sun.
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Unread post by EricBarbour » Sun May 13, 2012 3:51 am

Vigilant wrote:Now that Ashley is elected, someone should pass hi ED page to the Sun.
Someone already tried--the Sun doesn't care. He's not a "celebrity".

So, you could always make him into a celebrity......write a tell-all book and get a major publisher
to handle it. Anything, even a magazine article.

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Unread post by lilburne » Sun May 13, 2012 7:34 am

EricBarbour wrote:
Vigilant wrote:Now that Ashley is elected, someone should pass hi ED page to the Sun.
Someone already tried--the Sun doesn't care. He's not a "celebrity".

So, you could always make him into a celebrity......write a tell-all book and get a major publisher
to handle it. Anything, even a magazine article.
As I said on WR those photos aren't a problem for a UK audience. You will not get a UK newspaper interested in some minor figure, who no one has heard of, that happens to be into bondage, unless the person is a scout master teaching kids novel tricks with ropes and knots. Otherwise they'll need to be the son of a Fascist, a TV or movie actor, or some one with a hit record in the charts (preferably with a bullet).

For the mainstream press the issue is, as I spelt out at the RFC, with the Gloeden image of the kid with his finger in its mouth. I'd be astonished if Ashley is ignorant of Imperial Roman History, the other photos from the area are similarly making references to "The Old Goat's Garden". Friends Roman's and countrymen ... it isn't a photograph referencing Raphael and Tobias.
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Unread post by Peter Damian » Sun May 13, 2012 9:29 am

Steve Virgin did not get re-elected. Roshana Gammampila, who to my mind was the most decent of the new candidates, did not. John Byrne, a long standing member of WMUK is also elected.

The new face is Joscelyn Upendran. She is an advisory member of Furtherfields, which is "an artist-led online community and arts organization all about Art Technology and Media coming together". What is that? And she is CEO of lovle "a software development and integration company that specialises in providing eLearning and eBusiness solutions to SMEs, public sector and corporate". What is that? http://uk.linkedin.com/in/jossu

She says here that she 'doesn't know much about computers'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsSC1VCrJ_U That might be a good thing, actually. She describes herself as a 'black working class female', and talks for while about being 'disadvantaged', so she should fit in well.
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Unread post by Peter Damian » Sun May 13, 2012 1:52 pm

And what happens with the Chair position? Does it automatically go to 'Fae'? Or is there a separate election?
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Unread post by lilburne » Tue May 15, 2012 8:53 am

The first thing the new grouping needs to do is to adopt a group song.
I'm sure they could adapt the above. For example replace 'constitution' with 'five pillars" etc.
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:rolleyes: :poke:

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