Yet another distinctly pointless activity, I suspect.Voting for the election for the members for the Movement Charter drafting
committee is now open. In total, 70 Wikimedians from around the world are
running for seven seats in these elections.
As recommended by the Movement Strategy recommendations, the goal is to
assemble a Drafting Committee that will draft a Movement Charter to ensure
a common framework for decision making in the Wikimedia movement
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strateg ... ion-making>.
The committee will consist of 15 members in total: The online communities
vote for 7 members, 6 members will be selected by the Wikimedia affiliates
through a parallel process, and 2 members will be appointed by the
Wikimedia Foundation. The plan is to assemble the committee by November 1,
2021.
Voting is open from October 12 10:00 UTC to October 24, 2021 23:59 (Anywhere
on Earth <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anywhere_on_Earth>).
Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open
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Yeah, I kind of wonder how much power such a group will get? If they come up with something WMF-insiders don't like, will it be nicely filed in a shelf somewhere?
Looking at the Candidates: lots of unknowns, from outside Western Europe/North America. A few "old-timers", off course (Risker, Guardetta, Harej), but those who say they are "Wikimedian since: 2020", or 2021; will not impress many, I suspect.
Is there any reason we should bother voting here?
Looking at the Candidates: lots of unknowns, from outside Western Europe/North America. A few "old-timers", off course (Risker, Guardetta, Harej), but those who say they are "Wikimedian since: 2020", or 2021; will not impress many, I suspect.
Is there any reason we should bother voting here?
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Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open
A voted purely for the fleeting joy of not voting for several of them.
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It's a bit confusing trying to work out whether the two former WMF Board members standing are standing as "WMF-approved" candidates, or whether it's just a sign that not even the WMF Board has a coherent view of what the WMF should do.
But you can always vote for whoever you think is likely to do a good job of whatever kind of WMF-reform this ends up as.
Or, you can deliberately vote for whoever will do the most disastrous job so that the whole edifice collapses sooner rather than later.
But you can always vote for whoever you think is likely to do a good job of whatever kind of WMF-reform this ends up as.
Or, you can deliberately vote for whoever will do the most disastrous job so that the whole edifice collapses sooner rather than later.
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The trick is to guess who can draft something that the WMF will accept but would be damaging to Wikipedia in the long term. I don't know if that could be done except by a very clever person who knows how the WMF ticks.WikiWatcher wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:10 pmIt's a bit confusing trying to work out whether the two former WMF Board members standing are standing as "WMF-approved" candidates, or whether it's just a sign that not even the WMF Board has a coherent view of what the WMF should do.
But you can always vote for whoever you think is likely to do a good job of whatever kind of WMF-reform this ends up as.
Or, you can deliberately vote for whoever will do the most disastrous job so that the whole edifice collapses sooner rather than later.
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Wikipediocracy clearly missed a trick by not holding an open primary for the Wikipediocracy nomination.Poetlister wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:14 pmThe trick is to guess who can draft something that the WMF will accept but would be damaging to Wikipedia in the long term. I don't know if that could be done except by a very clever person who knows how the WMF ticks.
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I found it a little overwhelming to sort through ~70 candidates and rank them in order. I suspect most voters will do what I did, look for names they recognize as belonging to reasonably sane people and vote for them.
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Why would you want to have an election for the Movement Charter drafting committee in the first place?
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No, I looked for statements that I recognized as being reasonably sane:Beeblebrox wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 5:33 pmI found it a little overwhelming to sort through ~70 candidates and rank them in order. I suspect most voters will do what I did, look for names they recognize as belonging to reasonably sane people and vote for them.
James Hare wrote:I have been a part of Wikimedia for way too long. I remember when Wikipedia was a radical experiment that no one took seriously. We proceeded anyway. Fast forward twenty years and Wikipedia is now looked upon as one of the last bastions of reliable nonpartisan information. I consider this to be a massive failure of the part of our society to take this kind of work seriously as a priority, but also a testament to the strength and resilience of Wikimedia's movement. One that is built organically around a common belief around the importance of sharing information. One where you do not need to formally join an association in order to participate.
With the movement charter we are presented a challenge to develop a governance framework for the Wikimedia movement. A decentralized movement which has, historically, resisted most forms of consolidation and imposition of hierarchy. This is a feature of our movement, not a flaw. But without a formally recognized institution like the Global Council, we are left with various scattered power structures that favor the well-organized and well-resourced. In practice this leaves volunteers feeling like they have no control over what the Wikimedia Foundation does even as the Foundation spends millions of dollars improving its community relations. The system may somewhat work but the belief will persist that it doesn’t.
If the movement charter drafting committee is successful, it will create a new polity that has been sorely missing: the organized counter-voice to the Wikimedia Foundation. Even with the best intentions, the current arrangement, with a few large organizations and many poorly organized volunteer communities, will inevitably produce conflict. There are sincere disagreements over what should be prioritized and why, and given how spending power is allocated, people will perceive the process to be unfair. And I honestly don’t think corporate hierarchies like the Foundation’s scale well to movements like ours; this is reflected in the velocity at which the Wikimedia Foundation makes improvements to the projects.
I consider these the top three priorities for the movement charter:
- Build legitimacy in the process and institution by establishing clear and explicit power arrangements;
- Empower the everyday and occasional Wikimedians to have say in the decisions made by movement-funded actors;
- Help movement-funded organizations like the Wikimedia Foundation scale management and oversight of their work to the hundreds of language communities, sister projects, affiliates, and so on.
Ad Huikeshoven wrote:Imagine a world in which all editors of Wikimedia projects are happy, and have found balance in their lives. The reality here and now is different. You are addicted to editing one or more of the Wikimedia projects. It's not your fault nor are you to blame that you're addicted: it's quieting the pain of a childhood trauma.
The Wikimedia Foundation shamelessly exploits the fruits of your unpaid volunteerism. You put so much time into it that it comes at the expense of caring for your family, your friends, your job or your school. In case you are financially independent or retired, you are free to spend all your time as you wish - if you do not forget to drink, eat and sleep on time. As long as you are not yet financially independent, you could expect the Wikimedia movement to look after you and provide guidance and support where you need it most.
The Charter for the Wikimedia Movement is the place to establish the rights of unpaid volunteers. I want to work to ensure that locally, in all countries, there is professional support for local volunteers in their own language, which meets the local needs of those volunteers. This includes translation to (and from) local languages of (news) reports about the Wikimedia projects, localization of templates and gadgets, organization of community activities, and what you need to become happy, and find balance in your life.
My intention is to contribute to the drafting of a text that will be endorsed by the communities. This, I believe, will need to be an iterative process of community consultation. The committee will produce texts in several rounds and gather feedback from the communities - and other stakeholders. I will work to ensure that it will be an open consultation process based on making consent decisions. In the feedback rounds, anyone may object to parts of the text. For the Charter to eventually be ratified, the committee must have resolved any insurmountable objections before anyone is asked to ratify the text.
Yair Rand wrote:A major goal of the Charter is to "clearly define roles and responsibilities", set boundaries, and define what we're doing and how we do it. It is essential for the future functioning of the projects and supporting organizations, that we create ironclad safeguards against overreach by our institutions, firmly anchor long-standing principles and goals, and establish a solid and effective framework for how the various high-level processes and parts of Wikimedia interact with each other.
The new framework should unambiguously specify responsibilities and authorities, minimize conflict, and allow everyone to get on with their work. The Charter should organize structures to enable projects and groups to receive needed support, while protecting them from inappropriate interference. As expressed in the Strategy Recommendations, all of Wikimedia's supporting organizations should be bound by enforceable basic requirements, and certain structures should be distributed and decentralized.
I would like the creation of the Charter to be an open and participatory process, involving many volunteers directly editing numerous Charter drafts around Wikimedia, moving forward in a wiki-style manner, our many communities and groups cross-pollinating texts and ideas and arguments and points of discussion, and gradually converging towards coherent results with the assistance of the drafting committee.
Whatever the method, the final outcome must be subject to community-wide ratification. Wikimedia is built by the volunteer community; it is the community that must decide whether to go forward with the Charter.
Those are my four. I found no compelling reason to vote for anyone else.Anne Clin (Risker) wrote:I firmly believe that the individual projects – the Wikipedias, Commons, WIkidata, Wikisource, and the many other “sister” projects – are the centerpiece of the movement, and the movement infrastructure must be designed to help these projects to grow and develop in a healthy way. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of any Wikimedia affiliate organization; nonetheless, my work on the FDC and the 2030 strategy project has inculcated a deep and abiding respect for these organizations and their value to the movement as a whole, as they are important aspects of the project support infrastructure.
No coffee? OK, then maybe just a little appreciation for my work out here?
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Guardetta?? Who's that? Is that a typo?The Adversary wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:31 amYeah, I kind of wonder how much power such a group will get? If they come up with something WMF-insiders don't like, will it be nicely filed in a shelf somewhere?
Looking at the Candidates: lots of unknowns, from outside Western Europe/North America. A few "old-timers", off course (Risker, Guardetta, Harej), but those who say they are "Wikimedian since: 2020", or 2021; will not impress many, I suspect.
Is there any reason we should bother voting here?
No coffee? OK, then maybe just a little appreciation for my work out here?
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Ian Ramjohn (Guettarda) I guess.No Ledge wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 6:41 pmGuardetta?? Who's that? Is that a typo?The Adversary wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:31 amYeah, I kind of wonder how much power such a group will get? If they come up with something WMF-insiders don't like, will it be nicely filed in a shelf somewhere?
Looking at the Candidates: lots of unknowns, from outside Western Europe/North America. A few "old-timers", off course (Risker, Guardetta, Harej), but those who say they are "Wikimedian since: 2020", or 2021; will not impress many, I suspect.
Is there any reason we should bother voting here?
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If you bypass my map, I listed my votes on my substack as the B-story on Thursday
https://fish.substack.com/p/detailed-map-of-europe
https://fish.substack.com/p/detailed-map-of-europe
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The results of the election: 1018 participants voted to elect seven members to the committee:
* Richard Knipel (Pharos)
* Anne Clin (Risker)
* Alice Wiegand (Lyzzy)
* Michał Buczyński (Aegis Maelstrom)
* Richard (Nosebagbear)
* Ciell (Ciell)
* Ravan J Al-Taie (Ravan)
The affiliate process has selected six members:
* Anass Sedrati (Anass Sedrati)
* Érica Azzellini (EricaAzzellini)
* Jamie Li-Yun Lin (Li-Yun Lin)
* Georges Fodouop (Geugeor)
* Manavpreet Kaur (Manavpreet Kaur)
* Pepe Flores (Padaguan)
The Wikimedia Foundation has appointed two members:
* Runa Bhattacharjee (Runab WMF)
* Jorge Vargas (JVargas WMF)
* Richard Knipel (Pharos)
* Anne Clin (Risker)
* Alice Wiegand (Lyzzy)
* Michał Buczyński (Aegis Maelstrom)
* Richard (Nosebagbear)
* Ciell (Ciell)
* Ravan J Al-Taie (Ravan)
The affiliate process has selected six members:
* Anass Sedrati (Anass Sedrati)
* Érica Azzellini (EricaAzzellini)
* Jamie Li-Yun Lin (Li-Yun Lin)
* Georges Fodouop (Geugeor)
* Manavpreet Kaur (Manavpreet Kaur)
* Pepe Flores (Padaguan)
The Wikimedia Foundation has appointed two members:
* Runa Bhattacharjee (Runab WMF)
* Jorge Vargas (JVargas WMF)
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Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open
A committee of 15?
I look forward to the camels.
I look forward to the camels.
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The key decisions will be taken behind the scenes by the two WMF appointees and a couple of pro-WMF members.
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I look forward to a camel, with a peacock's tail, and the face of a rhino.Poetlister wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:00 pmThe key decisions will be taken behind the scenes by the two WMF appointees and a couple of pro-WMF members.
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I can show you something similar.Ryuichi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:00 amI look forward to a camel, with a peacock's tail, and the face of a rhino.Poetlister wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:00 pmThe key decisions will be taken behind the scenes by the two WMF appointees and a couple of pro-WMF members.
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But who will FACILITATE it all?
It's an opportunity of a lifetime, and who doesn't love a 2-hour Sunday meeting, every other week?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nY9wve ... AW6Kp/view
It's an opportunity of a lifetime, and who doesn't love a 2-hour Sunday meeting, every other week?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nY9wve ... AW6Kp/view
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thekohser wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:37 pmBut who will FACILITATE it all?
It's an opportunity of a lifetime, and who doesn't love a 2-hour Sunday meeting, every other week?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nY9wve ... AW6Kp/view
Do they provide a truck to deliver the facilitation on, or does the vendor have to provide their own transport?Purpose
Deliver facilitation for the Wikimedia Movement Charter Drafting Committee meetings to ensure
constructive conversations that pay attention to the diversity of perspectives, support equitable
participation across the whole group, and facilitate decision making to make progress. The focus will
be on advancing the work related to drafting of the Charter. The vendor is expected to work directly
with the committee to prepare and deliver the meetings.