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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Jans Hammer » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:14 pm

Net closing in linkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7#Have[/link]

Have you been paid in any form or manner, (including but not limited to monetary reimbursements), by the Australian Paralympic Committee or allies thereof, for contributing to the domain of Paralympics related articles (broadly construed), within the last 3 years? Regards, ∯WBGconverse 8:00 pm, Today (UTC+1)

But he's a few years out, isn't he?

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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Vigilant » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:16 pm

Klahn wrote:So how is this supposed to work? Arbcom is saying they have enough evidence to de-sysop Fram. They also can't disclose what this evidence is. Then we the community are going to be trusted to decide if he should get the bit back?

Fram's RFA can't possibly be a referendum on whether we trust Fram. It can only be a referendum as to whether we trust Arbcom to have judged the secret evidence properly.
It will be a referendum on whether Trust and Safety runs the show or Teh Communitah does.
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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Vigilant » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:19 pm

Jans Hammer wrote:Net closing in linkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7#Have[/link]

Have you been paid in any form or manner, (including but not limited to monetary reimbursements), by the Australian Paralympic Committee or allies thereof, for contributing to the domain of Paralympics related articles (broadly construed), within the last 3 years? Regards, ∯WBGconverse 8:00 pm, Today (UTC+1)

But he's a few years out, isn't he?
A better question would be, "What remuneration (of any kind) and when have you received from .... ?"

This should be asked for everyone on the Paralympics committee, everyone mentioned on the docs I published, everyone in Laura Hale's orbit.
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Ferraridude100 (talk · contribs) I have added myself because I have edited many pages and articles related to the Paralympics. I will continue to do so (same as Aridd) on my spare time.
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H1nkles citius altius fortius (talk · contribs) I'm working on the Paralympic Games as part of a larger goal of a Featured Topic on the Olympic Games.
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Leighblackall (talk · contribs) I'm working with the Australian Paralympic Committee, where they want to assist the Wikipedia volunteers in their coverage of Australia at the Paralympics. Please see our project space on Wikiversity for more info. See you all soon.
FingersLily (talk · contribs) I'm new to all this but I am willing to help out in any way I can. I am passionate about all sport & have a particular interest in Paralympics.
Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs)
John Vandenberg (talk · contribs)
Swimmer 1964 (talk · contribs)
Senator2029 (talk · contribs) Working on assessments, cleanup, standardization, etc.
Keith Edkins (talk · contribs) Ready to create results pages for 2012.
Lucky102 (talk · contribs) I want to help this project because I like updating paralympic articles.
Melissa Carlton (talk · contribs)
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Psgola (talk · contribs) I basically edit the United States Paralympic 2012 page
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Justie19 (talk · contribs) I'll help with anything asked of me
Wesley Mouse (talk · contribs)
Kwokng (talk · contribs) Specialist knowledge of sitting volleyball
Raymarcbadz (talk · contribs) I am more solely responsible on the nation pages with correct results, proper MoS format, documentation if necessary, and updated list of athletes and their results. I am willing to help out this project because of my particular interest to the Summer Olympics.
Sportygeek (talk · contribs) I've edited a number of articles related to the Paralympics, some under my name, some under IP before I got an account. Specialist knowledge of paratriathlon, which has been included in the program for Rio.
Lassirena6 (talk · contribs) I'm a Filipino Paralympic sailor who competed in the Beijing 2008 Paralympics, Sailing was held in Qingdao. So I have insider knowledge of Sailing at the 2008 Summer Paralympics and specialist knowledge of rifle events under Paralympic Shooting.
Mishae (talk · contribs) I'm a Russian disabled individual who used to play adaptive association football, floor hockey, and softball for Robinsdale Robins, a school sponsored Olympics in which I won 2 bronze, 2 silver, and 1 gold. My job in this project is to write more articles on Russian, Ukrainian, and American disabled athletes who took part in sitting volleyball, swimming, or cycling events. I do however often do the other nations too.:)
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Everyone in the WMF, especially Trust and Safety, needs to be asked, "When were you aware of Laura Hale's paid editing? Who else was involved?"
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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Kumioko » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:21 pm

C&B wrote:Worm That Turned (T-C-L) is a fucking idiot. And corrupt. Now is it that he is corrupt, or likes, always was it corrupt!
Personally I agree with the sentiment. I don't think always, but I think the corruption did happen due to the culture on Wikipedia where Admins and arbs are held to a lower standard and allows them generally to do whatever they want with no oversight.

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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Poetlister » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:45 pm

Klahn wrote:So how is this supposed to work? Arbcom is saying they have enough evidence to de-sysop Fram. They also can't disclose what this evidence is. Then we the community are going to be trusted to decide if he should get the bit back?

Fram's RFA can't possibly be a referendum on whether we trust Fram. It can only be a referendum as to whether we trust Arbcom to have judged the secret evidence properly.
Simple. Fram, in his opening statement on the RfA, gives his version of events. All the Arbs oppose, but refuse to say exactly why. People are so indignant that there is a torrent of supports.
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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Jans Hammer » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:48 pm

Vigilant wrote:
Jans Hammer wrote:Net closing in linkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hawkeye7#Have[/link]

Have you been paid in any form or manner, (including but not limited to monetary reimbursements), by the Australian Paralympic Committee or allies thereof, for contributing to the domain of Paralympics related articles (broadly construed), within the last 3 years? Regards, ∯WBGconverse 8:00 pm, Today (UTC+1)

But he's a few years out, isn't he?
A better question would be, "What remuneration (of any kind) and when have you received from .... ?"

This should be asked for everyone on the Paralympics committee, everyone mentioned on the docs I published, everyone in Laura Hale's orbit.
View the list of members
Aridd (talk · contribs) (I'm adding myself here because I've started and/or edited quite a number of articles related to the Paralympic Games. I'll continue to do so if and when I have time, although I can't fully commit to it. But this task force is a very good idea.)
Basement12 (talk · contribs)
Bib (talk · contribs)
Black Orchid (talk · contribs)
Doh5678 (talk · contribs)
Ferraridude100 (talk · contribs) I have added myself because I have edited many pages and articles related to the Paralympics. I will continue to do so (same as Aridd) on my spare time.
Fmountford (talk · contribs) Huge Olympics and paralympics fan, i intend to contribute broadly where i can.
H1nkles citius altius fortius (talk · contribs) I'm working on the Paralympic Games as part of a larger goal of a Featured Topic on the Olympic Games.
jwillbur (talk · contribs)
Phoenix (talk · contribs) thanks for the invite
RG104 (talk · contribs)
Roger (talk · contribs)
Yboy83 (talk · contribs)
waacstats (talk · contribs)
Rohith goura (talk · contribs)
Leighblackall (talk · contribs) I'm working with the Australian Paralympic Committee, where they want to assist the Wikipedia volunteers in their coverage of Australia at the Paralympics. Please see our project space on Wikiversity for more info. See you all soon.
FingersLily (talk · contribs) I'm new to all this but I am willing to help out in any way I can. I am passionate about all sport & have a particular interest in Paralympics.
Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs)
John Vandenberg (talk · contribs)
Swimmer 1964 (talk · contribs)
Senator2029 (talk · contribs) Working on assessments, cleanup, standardization, etc.
Keith Edkins (talk · contribs) Ready to create results pages for 2012.
Lucky102 (talk · contribs) I want to help this project because I like updating paralympic articles.
Melissa Carlton (talk · contribs)
Stigni (talk · contribs)
Psgola (talk · contribs) I basically edit the United States Paralympic 2012 page
Zanimum (talk · contribs)
Kasper2006 (talk · contribs)
Justie19 (talk · contribs) I'll help with anything asked of me
Wesley Mouse (talk · contribs)
Kwokng (talk · contribs) Specialist knowledge of sitting volleyball
Raymarcbadz (talk · contribs) I am more solely responsible on the nation pages with correct results, proper MoS format, documentation if necessary, and updated list of athletes and their results. I am willing to help out this project because of my particular interest to the Summer Olympics.
Sportygeek (talk · contribs) I've edited a number of articles related to the Paralympics, some under my name, some under IP before I got an account. Specialist knowledge of paratriathlon, which has been included in the program for Rio.
Lassirena6 (talk · contribs) I'm a Filipino Paralympic sailor who competed in the Beijing 2008 Paralympics, Sailing was held in Qingdao. So I have insider knowledge of Sailing at the 2008 Summer Paralympics and specialist knowledge of rifle events under Paralympic Shooting.
Mishae (talk · contribs) I'm a Russian disabled individual who used to play adaptive association football, floor hockey, and softball for Robinsdale Robins, a school sponsored Olympics in which I won 2 bronze, 2 silver, and 1 gold. My job in this project is to write more articles on Russian, Ukrainian, and American disabled athletes who took part in sitting volleyball, swimming, or cycling events. I do however often do the other nations too.:)
LAHetherington (talk · contribs)My interest is in updating Canadian Paralympic athlete articles, particularly in Alpine skiing
TheQ Editor (talk · contribs)Working to creating more Paralympic Athlete PAges.
Mpjmcevoybeta (talk · contribs)
Bidgee (talk · contribs)
Matt294069 (talk · contribs)Adding all of the results from wheelchair basketball
Nimrodbr (talk · contribs)
Cojote (talk · contribs)
Abishe (talk · contribs)
Dcharma (talk · contribs)
Everyone in the WMF, especially Trust and Safety, needs to be asked, "When were you aware of Laura Hale's paid editing? Who else was involved?"
Good old Kudpung already has his NPA radar up and running! :D

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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Kumioko » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:54 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Klahn wrote:So how is this supposed to work? Arbcom is saying they have enough evidence to de-sysop Fram. They also can't disclose what this evidence is. Then we the community are going to be trusted to decide if he should get the bit back?

Fram's RFA can't possibly be a referendum on whether we trust Fram. It can only be a referendum as to whether we trust Arbcom to have judged the secret evidence properly.
Simple. Fram, in his opening statement on the RfA, gives his version of events. All the Arbs oppose, but refuse to say exactly why. People are so indignant that there is a torrent of supports.
I think that's a very likely scenario actually. If he waits a couple months for the Arbs to change over, he might even get some supports from the Outgoing arbs who no longer have to tow the party line.

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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Eric Corbett » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:59 pm

Poetlister wrote:
Klahn wrote:So how is this supposed to work? Arbcom is saying they have enough evidence to de-sysop Fram. They also can't disclose what this evidence is. Then we the community are going to be trusted to decide if he should get the bit back?

Fram's RFA can't possibly be a referendum on whether we trust Fram. It can only be a referendum as to whether we trust Arbcom to have judged the secret evidence properly.
Simple. Fram, in his opening statement on the RfA, gives his version of events. All the Arbs oppose, but refuse to say exactly why. People are so indignant that there is a torrent of supports.
That might happen, but I doubt that it would. There are too many believers in "no smoke without fire".

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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by The Adversary » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:16 pm

eagle wrote:
Vigilant wrote: Someone needs to ask who got that PhD student funding...
I think I have a pretty good idea.
I am not sure about that.
I think the sequence of events was that in 2011, the Australian Paralympic Committee (APC) was planning to hire a historian to write a conventional book that researched and covered the APC's history and accomplishments. Such institutionally sponsored works are commonplace. Some young faculty at the University of Canberra got wind of the forthcoming RFP, and decided to compete with a crowd-sourced research project instead, thinking that all of the biographies, etc. would be produced as Wikipedia articles with some quality control and gap filling to be done by paid staff and the overall work would have much higher visibility using WP's Google Juice than some dusty limited-press run book. At that time WP offered the ability to purchase on demand hard copies of bound books that consisted of a curated collection of Wikipedia articles. Canberra won the RFP and signed the $110,000 contract, but the crowd of volunteers never materialized. The APC staff attended Laura Hale-led sessions on Wiki editing, but it was not their job to do the work for which they paid the contractors.

When the contract expired on 12/31/2012, there was a large gap in the intended scope of work. (That is, one trained historian, with a research assistant could knock out a competent history in that time, but a large group of grifters who are unable to motivate and channel the "crowd" could not.) So to fill the hole, a second contract was drawn up to use a professional historian at the University of Queensland to supervise a graduate student to actually dig through the materials and finish the job. At this point, one of the faculty sponsors of the 2011 RFP had left the University of Canberra, and it appears he left conventional academia. His departure appears to have set LH's dissertation into a bit of a tail-spin as well. The secret revolutionary technique for evaluating twitter activity is now lost forever.

The APC did continue its relationship with WMAU, but the funding, if any, was not disclosed linkhttps://www.paralympic.org.au/wp-conten ... Report.pdf[/link]
2013-14 APC Annual Report wrote: History Project
Work continued on the written history of the Paralympic movement in Australia under the APC’s agreement with the University of Queensland (UQ). UQ was awarded a Linkage Grant of $244,266 from the Australian Research Council to aid the online component of the project and enable a more comprehensive history to be recorded. Further work continued on capturing Australia’s Paralympic history including; the delivery of 2,500 transparencies and negatives from the Sydney Games, six new oral history interviews recorded by the National Library of Australia, the donation of uniforms from eight Paralympic Games by APC Board Member Nick Dean, scrapbook and photo donations from past athletes and administrators, and completion of the initial organisation and cataloguing of the APC’s archives. A poster on the history of alpine skiing was produced in collaboration with the University of Canberra. The poster was displayed in the Australian allotment of the Sochi Paralympic Village and was available for download from the APC’s Paralympic education website.

Reporting
The APC conducted two Wikipedia workshops, in conjunction with the Be the Influence Tri-Nations Wheelchair Rugby Tournament and the Sochi Paralympic Games. Both workshops attracted new volunteer editors to work on Paralympic sport articles in Wikipedia. Work commenced on the report of the Sochi 2014 Paralympic Games, which will make several recommendations that will assist the APC to deliver the Team in PyeongChang in 2018.

Partnerships with specialist organisations
A feature of the reporting period was the ongoing focus on partnering with expert or specialist organisations to add value to, and extend, the APC’s activities within the Knowledge Services division. In 2013/14 these partnerships included: • The National Sports Information Centre at the AIS in Canberra, which holds and manages the APC’s audio-visual collection and has incorporated the APC’s library holdings within its catalogue to ensure they are globally discoverable.• The Australian Sports Information Network, which has been established to improve access to sportrelated information. • The National Library of Australia, which continues to record and manage the oral histories of people of significance to the Paralympic movement in Australia. • The University of Queensland for the written history of the Paralympic movement in Australia. • The National Sports Museum in Melbourne, which advises the APC on its physical collection and currently displays medals from the 1960 Paralympic Games as well as other noteworthy items donated to the APC. • Wikimedia Australia, which supports the creation of articles about the Paralympic movement in Australia, Australian athletes and classification. [/quote
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Very interesting background story.

Unfortunately I am not very surprised about the general drift: Seen it before:
A friend of mine worked for a small NGO in the 1990s: setting up their website from scratch. The NGO was a small patient organisation, with about a 1000 members country wide.

My friend (hereafter called F) did, by all accounts, an excellent job...for peanuts: a total sums of 3-4 K. $. So much so that the NGO on the basis of that website applied and got a huge grant for further development of the website from the local National Lottery (As in England we have a National lottery giving funds to "worthy causes".)...the grant was for about 150.000 $ over 3 years (..in late 1990s money: would be more in todays money, of course).

The leader (L) then gave then gave that (well paid ) job to his friend (hereafter called mr Pompous Ass, or mr PA), with the assumption that F should work under mr PA. But F had worked a bit with mr PA and thought that mr PA was...well, a pompous ass. And completely incompetent. F left, saying that while it hurt being treated like that, the NGO would be hurt the most.

F. was right. Mr PA had bragged about how much would change, and that a new website would be up in 3 months, with data bases and what not. (Who was going to fill those data bases with anything useful was never specified...details, details!)

3 months passed....nothing changed....1 year passed ...still nothing...2 years...still nothing.
Finally, 3-4 months before the time was up (and they would have to return the money to the Lottery people) a new, slim, neutral website.....not made by mr PA, but by some ordinarily web developer (who knew exactly zero about the illness in question). Of course: no data base. Worse: one of the most popular things with "old" website, namely a guestbook/discussion forum where members could exchange info: gone.

The one thing mr PA managed to do, though, was to move the hosting of the website. F. had managed (through friends) to get the NGO hosted, for free, at a local college which had "spare room", and gave that space to non commercial actors. The first thing Mr. PA did, was to move the hosting to a commercial actor, costing the NGO 1500$ pr year, with the justification that it would seem "more professional!" (When did you last check where a patient organisations website is hosted? How many even knows how to find that out?? (Ok, ok, at WO I suppose nearly 100%, alas, in the general population??))

We suspect it was all because mr PA was formerly a consultant for the very same commercial actor: he wanted to be in "their good books" (hoping for more work?), and if a poor patient organisation was given a permanent expense....not his problem!!

The end result was that the members of this patient organisation ended up with a worse result...and 150.000 $ basically wasted. Oh, and of course F. quitting the organisation in disgust.

:sadbanana:

Don't ever, ever think that money solves problems, if you have incompetent people around..

OK, :backtotopic:
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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Vigilant » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:19 pm

Courcelles defending Laura Hale's editing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... t_articles
Various issues with Olympic women's sport articles

Does Template:Women at the Olympics and Paralympics really need to exist? It is only transcluded on to one page and seems to cherry pick articles that the creator thinks are of good quality. Additionally I've raised a number of concerns over material in Netball and the Olympic Movement on the articles talk page, I personally can't see how it ever made it to GA and Women's sport at the Olympics seems to be made up only of text from the Netball article so should the two be merged in some way? Basement12 (T.C) 13:40, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

That's a terrible idea for a template, with an unclear criteria for inclusion. Why are not all women's Olympic sports included? Why is a non-Olympic sport included? Please nominate for TfD. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:51, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

My reaction entirely. Nominated at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Women at the Olympics and Paralympics - Basement12 (T.C) 00:09, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Absurd and useless template, I've raised my concerns over the TfD. I think we need special discussion here to discuss the scope of using term "Olympic recognized sport". --Bill william comptonTalk 03:24, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, folks. I agree the template needs to change somehow- perhaps by a radical restart- but the comments like "absurd" and "terrible" are going too far. There's a way to express your views on the template's usefulness without putting down the good-faith editors who worked on it... and this is not it. Courcelles 04:00, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
The template was deleted.
Netball as an 'Olympic Sport' was alllllll Laura Hale.
Courcelles was a member of AUSC at the time per his home page
This user was a member of the AUSC from April–December 2011.
Super high level air cover for Laura Hale's shitting up of the project.
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Unread post by Vigilant » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:24 pm

Laura Hale sure surrounds herself with straight shooters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... sed_sports

There's a scrum and these two accounts show up to shill for Laura Hale
Genevieve2 (T-C-L)
KnowIG (T-C-L)

Both indef banned for socking on behalf of Laura Hale's interests.
Odd, no?
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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Moral Hazard » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:37 pm

C&B wrote:Jbhuntley, one here, fighting a good fight: Request for reversal of vanishing &/ ban by motion.

Worm That Turned (T-C-L) is a fucking idiot. And corrupt. Now is it that he is corrupt, or likes, always was it corrupt!
Corrupt? I missed your evidence.

Arbs are political because they are elected.
WTT tries to lead a bit ahead of the majority of voters --- and I would guess the majority of arbs, as one sees when comparing his comments with (the other drafting arb) Joe's.
Usually he has a sense of fairness and a conscience, which are usually quite admirable.

More broadly:
Arbs are volunteers with too much to do.
Cognition is degraded in committees.
Serving on a committee to which lawyers have input often results in decisions that minimize risk to the organization, here the WMF (not Wikipedia). When lawyers talk to young people on committees, they act as cognitive-disability force-multipliers --- throwing for double damage
(to use Dungeons and Dragons lingo)
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Consequently, arbitration committees make mistakes. Certainly, they made them before ArbCom was over-run by social-justice warriors committed to expanding inclusion by making Wikipedia a safe-space (at the cost of giving up on quality).
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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Moral Hazard » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:45 pm

TheElusiveClaw wrote:
Alex Shih wrote:
Mason wrote:Regarding the infamous BU_Rob13 revert:
SilkTork wrote:...I am not saying that Fram was banned for that incident (though I am realist enough, as is Fram, to join the dots and assume that that incident was likely to have led to one of the complaints to T&M that resulted in them issuing their ban)...
Which means BU Rob13 lied about not having complained to T&S about Fram. If I remember correctly, what Rob said was something along the lines of "I spoke to T&S, but I was not the complaint that led to the ban".
"not the complaint that led to the ban": so there was someone who complained after him? Or was it one of his socks?
BU Rob13's public record of half-truths and misleading statements may come back to bite him, if he is trying to become a lawyer.

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C&B wrote:Jbhuntley, one here, fighting a good fight: Request for reversal of vanishing &/ ban by motion.

Worm That Turned (T-C-L) is a fucking idiot. And corrupt. Now is it that he is corrupt, or likes, always was it corrupt!
Evidence of corruption? AFAIC WTT is the editor’s Arb, as opposed to the rest of them who are too busy polishing admin’s balls in their mouths.

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Unread post by Eric Corbett » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:17 pm

Earthy Astringent wrote:
C&B wrote:Jbhuntley, one here, fighting a good fight: Request for reversal of vanishing &/ ban by motion.

Worm That Turned (T-C-L) is a fucking idiot. And corrupt. Now is it that he is corrupt, or likes, always was it corrupt!
Evidence of corruption? AFAIC WTT is the editor’s Arb, as opposed to the rest of them who are too busy polishing admin’s balls in their mouths.
I think that they must all stand or fall together, and fall I very much that they do in the upcoming elections. The corruption and laziness in the present system is systemic.

But then it was instigated by the lazy and incompetent Jimbo Wales, so I guess nobody should be surprised.
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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Earthy Astringent » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:21 pm

Speaking of Arbs, we ought to have a “the worst arb” poll and give the winner a prize. Hell, have categories across the board for WO’s very own version of the Oscars. I would prefer some horribly politically incorrect and juvenile name, like “The Tardies”. But I suppose we could go with its equivalent: The Jimmies! Instead of a gold statue they would get lifetime supply of condoms with our heartfelt wishes that they never procreate.

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Unread post by Eric Corbett » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:24 pm

My nominee would be Gorillawarfare, for so many reasons.

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Moral Hazard wrote:
Jans Hammer wrote:Good old Kudpung (T-C-L) already has his WP:NPA (T-H-L) radar up and running!
In Javanese, Kudpung means "veil".
In Swedish, Kudpung means "pillow-scrotum".
Aaaaaand the Swedes have it!
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Earthy Astringent wrote:Speaking of Arbs, we ought to have a “the worst arb” poll and give the winner a prize. Hell, have categories across the board for WO’s very own version of the Oscars. I would prefer some horribly politically incorrect and juvenile name, like “The Tardies”. But I suppose we could go with its equivalent: The Jimmies! Instead of a gold statue they would get lifetime supply of condoms with our heartfelt wishes that they never procreate.
The Limp Jimbo Award.

Courcelles - Hands down. He KNEW what Laura Hale is, his wife is on Trust and Safety, and he still let this case go ahead without shooting it down.
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QUISLING.
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Vigilant wrote:
Earthy Astringent wrote:Speaking of Arbs, we ought to have a “the worst arb” poll and give the winner a prize. Hell, have categories across the board for WO’s very own version of the Oscars. I would prefer some horribly politically incorrect and juvenile name, like “The Tardies”. But I suppose we could go with its equivalent: The Jimmies! Instead of a gold statue they would get lifetime supply of condoms with our heartfelt wishes that they never procreate.
The Limp Jimbo Award.

Courcelles - Hands down. He KNEW what Laura Hale is, his wife is on Trust and Safety, and he still let this case go ahead without shooting it down.
COMPLICIT.
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QUISLING.
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Unread post by Eric Corbett » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:37 pm

Moral Hazard wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Earthy Astringent wrote:Speaking of Arbs, we ought to have a “the worst arb” poll and give the winner a prize. Hell, have categories across the board for WO’s very own version of the Oscars. I would prefer some horribly politically incorrect and juvenile name, like “The Tardies”. But I suppose we could go with its equivalent: The Jimmies! Instead of a gold statue they would get lifetime supply of condoms with our heartfelt wishes that they never procreate.
The Limp Jimbo Award.

Courcelles - Hands down. He KNEW what Laura Hale is, his wife is on Trust and Safety, and he still let this case go ahead without shooting it down.
COMPLICIT.
SPINELESS.
QUISLING.
Jimbo jizz-shirt
I quite like that. How about the JimboLump award?

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Unread post by Beeblebrox » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:39 pm

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Carcharoth wrote:My guess is that the 'Fram reverting BU Rob' incident made a big impression on SilkTork (and other arbs) because BU Rob kicked up a massive fuss about it on the mailing list. Quite possibly other arbs told him he was over-reacting.
There are a lot of former arbs in the current batch, and I am pretty sure they were the vocal ones on BU Rob's antics in trying to exert control and manipulate public opinion.
Please expound upon this. What was the game that Rob was playing? What exactly was he trying to do and how did he try to accomplish it? Why did he abruptly leave?

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I don't have the reason why he abruptly left, but I can make educated guesses. Rob was regularly condescending and barking orders over mailing lists (despite of being an account from 2015, he was often telling people along the lines of "this is not the way we do things", and has expressed obsession over "image" – image of both him and the committee being competent. Once you understand these, I think a lot of his on-wiki behaviour starts to make sense. Someone here once said Rob is simply soft, and I think that's true – he is the kind of person that pretends to be tough, but really is soft, which explains the gross overreaction over a revert. After ACE2018 I have predicted that he will clash with the new batch filled with former arbs like AGK that have similar style, and that did happen in multiple places on-wiki even prior to Rob's rage quit.
I can attest to being somewhat startled by his commandments on mailing lists, and seem to recall calling him out on it at least once, I don't much appreciate being told how to do soemthing by the new guy when I've been at it for nine years.
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Unread post by Eric Corbett » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:42 pm

Beeblebrox wrote:I don't much appreciate being told how to do soemthing by the new guy when I've been at it for nine years.
But you're quite relaxed when it happens to someone else, someone others have taken a dislike to?

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The question has to be asked:

Who else, on ARBCOM, was aware of what Laura Hale was up to?
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Beeblebrox wrote:I don't much appreciate being told how to do soemthing by the new guy when I've been at it for nine years.
But you're quite relaxed when it happens to someone else, someone others have taken a dislike to?
I'm not at all sure what exactly you're referring to, but I am at a point where I am selective in choosing my battles. There's just too much shit going on to be involved in every last thing.
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Vigilant wrote:The question has to be asked:

Who else, on ARBCOM, was aware of what Laura Hale was up to?
I doubt most of them fully realized before all this the depths of what she was doing. I certainly didn't until you made your prolonged presentations here on the subject, before Framgate she was just someone I had heard of and recalled vaguely from when Hawkeye7 was desysopped.
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Beeblebrox wrote:
Vigilant wrote:The question has to be asked:

Who else, on ARBCOM, was aware of what Laura Hale was up to?
I doubt most of them fully realized before all this the depths of what she was doing. I certainly didn't until you made your prolonged presentations here on the subject, before Framgate she was just someone I had heard of and recalled vaguely from when Hawkeye7 was desysopped.
Courcelles aka Bradford Brown did.
Karen Brown did.

All of Trust and Safety should have.

Legal signed off on this.
Katherine Maker signed off on this.


As you might imagine, I suspect strongly that others in the power structure knew enough to have scotched this particular witch burning.

Where we are now...
https://youtu.be/GKZ2deYrAQo?t=1466
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Vigilant wrote:
Beeblebrox wrote:
Vigilant wrote:The question has to be asked:

Who else, on ARBCOM, was aware of what Laura Hale was up to?
I doubt most of them fully realized before all this the depths of what she was doing. I certainly didn't until you made your prolonged presentations here on the subject, before Framgate she was just someone I had heard of and recalled vaguely from when Hawkeye7 was desysopped.
Courcelles aka Bradford Brown did.
Karen Brown did.

All of Trust and Safety should have.

Legal signed off on this.
Katherine Maker signed off on this.


As you might imagine, I suspect strongly that others in the power structure knew enough to have scotched this particular witch burning.

Where we are now...
https://youtu.be/GKZ2deYrAQo?t=1466
You asked who else on Arbcom knew, which I assumed meant in addition to Courcelles.
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Beeblebrox wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
Beeblebrox wrote:
Vigilant wrote:The question has to be asked:

Who else, on ARBCOM, was aware of what Laura Hale was up to?
I doubt most of them fully realized before all this the depths of what she was doing. I certainly didn't until you made your prolonged presentations here on the subject, before Framgate she was just someone I had heard of and recalled vaguely from when Hawkeye7 was desysopped.
Courcelles aka Bradford Brown did.
Karen Brown did.

All of Trust and Safety should have.

Legal signed off on this.
Katherine Maker signed off on this.


As you might imagine, I suspect strongly that others in the power structure knew enough to have scotched this particular witch burning.

Where we are now...
https://youtu.be/GKZ2deYrAQo?t=1466
You asked who else on Arbcom knew, which I assumed meant in addition to Courcelles.
Sorry, that was confusing on my part.

I was starting at ARBCOM.
If none of them knew besides Bradford Brown aka Courcelles, I might not have a hard time believing that.
They should have known.
They should have had an open, transparent evidence stage . Maybe even a workshop...
They should have listened and they should have investigated the claims before we got to Proposed Decision stage.
At the very least, Courcelles should have stood up and said, "STOP! There's been a terrible miscarriage of justice here!", but he was a coward.

As to the rest, do you suppose it's possible that Courcelles' wife Karen Brown didn't know?

Trust and Safety with their 70 page document?
WMAU and WMF given their involvement with contracts, GLAM, etc?


It stretches credulity.
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Unread post by eagle » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:24 am

Finally, an honest response from Hawkeye7 about payments for editing regarding the Paralympics:
User talk:Hawkeye7 wrote:Have[edit]
you been paid in any form or manner, (including but not limited to monetary reimbursements), by the Australian Paralympic Committee or allies thereof, for contributing to the domain of Paralympics related articles (broadly construed), within the last 3 years? Regards, ∯WBGconverse 19:00, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Winged Blades of Godric, you will need an extremely good reason for asking such a question, otherwise it is blatant harassment and casting aspersions. Hawkeye is of course perfectly entitled to ignore it altogether. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 19:39, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Kudpung: there is, in my very strong opinion, good and sufficient reason to ask this of him and many others. The evidence is buried in the FRAMGATE materials. I, personally, would not have asked just yet and would have asked for 2011 on (the year of the first tender). Winged Blades of Godric is certainly not out of line to ask or even, in my opinion, to go to Arbcom. Jbh Talk 22:51, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Allow me to second what Jbhunley has said. A major investigation needs to be undertaken. I anticipate strong opposition from the WMF, but I hope (probably unrealistically) that our own community will recognize the severity of the situation. Lepricavark (talk) 23:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting for a moment that the issue is not serious, and it does indeed require mature investigation, but without providing a rationale for asking the question on a user's talk page, together with the attempted misleading thread title, I find the post disingenuous. I will remind Hawkeye again, in case he feels he is being intimidated, that he is under no obligation to answer and is perfectly entitled to ignore it or even remove it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hawkeye7 has never edited the Paralympics Australia page nor ever edited the Paralympics Australia awards page, or the main Paralympics page, so there's that and I just want to let page lookers know before rumors fly further afield. If there is something then WBG has in good faith let the cat run out of the bag, but the main articles and the awards article have nothing by Hawkeye7. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:22, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

I haven't gotten anything from the Australian Paralympic Committee (APC) since 2016. My trip to the World Wheelchair Basketball Championships in Hamburg in 2018 was paid for by myself and WMF. The APC issued me media accrediation for the Pyeong Chang Winter Paralympic Games in South Korea in 2018 but I did not attend due to work committments.
Going back to 2011, I had media accrediation for the London Paralympic Games in 2012 and Rio Paralympic Games in 2016 through the APC and Wikimedia Australia. For London I got a backpack, baseball cap and polo shirt from the APC, which we had to wear, and some items from the IPC media kit issued to all media reps. For Rio I only got the latter, so I wore my 2012 gear. HOPAU held regular meet-ups around Australia between 2011 and 2018. APC and UQ paid for transportation and accomodation to the HOPAU meet-ups in Brisbane in 2014, Adelaide in 2015 and Perth in 2016. The last was in Sydney in 2018, which I paid for myself. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much for such an open and detailed answer. Jbh Talk 01:00, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Compare this with:
RfA Hawkeye7 3 wrote:Disclosures
I have never edited for pay.
Recall that University of Queensland replaced the University of Canberra as the grantee of the HOPAU in 2013. Also recall that Hawkeye did receive partial Wikimania scholarships for Hong Kong and for Italy. However, Hawkeye7 spent money on plane tickets for the trip to Colorado and the trip to Micronesia only to have each grant request turned down after the tickets were purchased. He learned of this en route to Colorado for the first trip to cover a Paralympic ski competition, and about a month before the Micronesia trip for which he payed a 35% cancellation penalty. I think that Hawkeye7 is a generous person who provided free lodging to a foreign graduate student LH, but became swept up in her manipulative plots, including an attempted coup of WMAU. He probably lost objectivity in taking up LH's fight against Racepacket, and lost his adminship for wheel waring regarding Eric Corbett.

If the concern over "paid editing" is that the payee can lose objectivity because of the sense of debt to having receive the funds, what difference does it really make if you are getting the funds from the WMF, the University of Queensland or the WMAU? Hawkeye7 took money on several occasions and had a interest in keeping in the good graces of potential funders for future grants. Anyone who hosts a graduate student with free housing becomes emotionally committed to her success and would tend to see her adversaries as the host's own adversaries. Anyone who gets press credentials and travels to a competition feels obligated to produce content on-wiki as a result and would tend to feel a sense of urgency regarding wikinews, DYKs, etc. There needs to be a centralized database of such editors receiving such financial considerations to provide needed transparency.

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Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:37 am

So, here at the end of time, we see that the case is all about Laura Hale and her undisclosed, paid, conflict-of-interest editing while being protected by multiple wiki insiders, the Chair of the board, a trust and safety member and a member of ARBCOM.

Would FramGate have even happened if this information had been known at the outset?

Conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice would be the charge for the complainants if this were a court of law.


You fuckers owe Fram a massive apology.
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With OR's vote against taking over the desysop, it's going to basically come down to GorillaWarfare and SilkTork. Arb may need to consider crafting a remedy to address what would happen if none of the other desysop / resysop remedies pass. Maybe something like, Fram is free to ask for his tools back at BN, where it will be up to 'crat discretion.

I see WormTT, OR, GW, and SilkTork as the arbs with the most community trust, so it would be fitting if those 4 were the ones who did the right thing. I will have no respect for Joe Roe, PMC, Mkdw, AGK, or KrakatoaKatie after this, which is too bad because I thought Katie and Joe would be great Arbs.

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Vigilant wrote:Laura Hale sure surrounds herself with straight shooters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... sed_sports

There's a scrum and these two accounts show up to shill for Laura Hale
Genevieve2 (T-C-L)
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Both indef banned for socking on behalf of Laura Hale's interests.
Odd, no?
There was an unusually intemperate POV-push by then-arb John Vandenberg in response to merging Netball at the Olympics (T-H-L) with International Netball Federation (T-H-L):
Just no! One is an article about an organisation, which has a board, directors, initiatives, affiliations, and other aspects peculiar to organisations. The other is about a "movement", a "struggle", to have the sport become part of the Olympics. While it isn't there yet, it has come a long way, and does receive funding from the OIC. John Vandenberg (chat) 12:19, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Whatever "movement" or "struggle" existed in 2011, (as best we can tell) it never funded paid editing on WP, and Laura and John quickly shifted their focus to taking funds from the Australian Paralympic Committee instead. In fact, Laura Hale's last edit to the Netball at the Olympics article was August 15, 2012 when she fixed a dead link and the International Netball Federation was March 29, 2011 where she removed the merge tag. The "movement" and "struggle" vanished and Netball is nowhere near being played by men in the 75 different countries required for inclusion in the Olympics. Of course, a collection of faulty netball articles remain unmaintained in Laura Hale's wake.

Laura Hale nominated the renamed Netball and the Olympic Movement for GA, Racepacket failed it, Hale renominated it and it was quickly reviewed and passed by Hawkeye7. On August 15, 2012, Aircorn (T-C-L) nominated the article for a GA Reassement:
My main concern is that this comes across more as an essay than an encyclopaedic article. Some of the information is misleading. It fails the neutrality criteria and the no original research criteria.
and
If it was a bad faith nom I would not have put it through the community review process and gone for an individual one instead. Wikipedia has it's own definiftion of original research and it includes "any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position not advanced by the sources." I detailed instances above where the article makes assumptions that are not supported by the references. For an example see the sentence That netball is played mostly by women is also seen as problematic as the IOC is looking for greater gender balance "netball being a female-dominated sport could be a hindrance." where the quote is written (possibly unintentionally) like it is coming from the IOC when it is not. For what its worth I thought that claiming it wasn't neutral was a more serious allegation, but each to their own. AIRcorn (talk) 12:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Aircorn was countered with responses from Hawkeye7 who made some edits to meet his objections, but other Hale allies accused Aircorn of bad faith. Ultimately Bidgee (T-H-L) who went with Laura and Hawkeye7 on the trip to Colorado to cover a Paralympic ski competition closed the reassessment as a "keep" on October 10, 2012.
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MrErnie wrote:
Maybe something like, Fram is free to ask for his tools back at BN, where it will be up to 'crat discretion.
Why should the 'crats have to make the decision? That's surely just passing the buck?

If the members of ArbCom possessed any integrity at all they would have voted to vacate the Office action in full. A further demonstration of the collective ArbCom lack of integrity is them voting on anything based around complaints involving one or more of its own members. Looks like they are closing ranks to protect - or elicit revenge on behalf of - their former colleague, BU Rob13.

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Sophie wrote:MrErnie wrote:
Maybe something like, Fram is free to ask for his tools back at BN, where it will be up to 'crat discretion.
Why should the 'crats have to make the decision? That's surely just passing the buck?

If the members of ArbCom possessed any integrity at all they would have voted to vacate the Office action in full. A further demonstration of the collective ArbCom lack of integrity is them voting on anything based around complaints involving one or more of its own members. Looks like they are closing ranks to protect - or elicit revenge on behalf of - their former colleague, BU Rob13.
Needless to say they should reinstate his tools. But that remedy, at this moment, can't pass. We are heading towards a situation where none of the current remedies regarding Fram's sysop status pass. In that case they would have to come up with something else, or change their votes for the current ones, or else the status quo where Fram is desysop'd out of process will remain.

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Unread post by Sophie » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:57 pm

No reason why they can't change their votes; after all, they've already shown in the PD that they are unscrupulous enough to try going back to alter/adjust/re-word the FoFs they had already voted to support so it would retrospectively fit with how they wanted to vote in the remedies.

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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:10 pm

MrErnie wrote:
Sophie wrote:MrErnie wrote:
Maybe something like, Fram is free to ask for his tools back at BN, where it will be up to 'crat discretion.
Why should the 'crats have to make the decision? That's surely just passing the buck?

If the members of ArbCom possessed any integrity at all they would have voted to vacate the Office action in full. A further demonstration of the collective ArbCom lack of integrity is them voting on anything based around complaints involving one or more of its own members. Looks like they are closing ranks to protect - or elicit revenge on behalf of - their former colleague, BU Rob13.
Needless to say they should reinstate his tools. But that remedy, at this moment, can't pass. We are heading towards a situation where none of the current remedies regarding Fram's sysop status pass. In that case they would have to come up with something else, or change their votes for the current ones, or else the status quo where Fram is desysop'd out of process will remain.
If Fram has to go to RfA, it's going to be a circus.
"Fuck the WMF!" could be the rallying cry.
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Unread post by Carcharoth » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:08 pm

A bit more is revealed (by SilkTork on Meta):
"[...] that lines up with my observations, and also with the thrust of the T&S document. It is a shame that document is restricted because some of the observations in it are insightful and - contrary to community expectations - not hostile towards you. Indeed there are a good number of positive observations and comments, including seeing you as a valued contributor that the Foundation wishes to retain on the projects (albeit without the concerning behaviour)."

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Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:35 pm

Creating Histories of the Australian Paralympic Movement: A New Relationship between Researchers and the Community (2014–2018)
http://researchers.uq.edu.au/research-project/15622

Documenting the Australian Paralympic story - 7 Aug 2019 (editor's note: This website as part of the project went live DURING Fram's ARBCOM trial *boggle*)
https://habs.uq.edu.au/article/2019/08/ ... mpic-story
The project, titled ‘Creating Histories of the Australian Paralympic Movement: A New Relationship between Researchers and the Community’, has three major components: Wikipedia pages, a website, and a book (which is at manuscript stage).
The website...
The website, Paralympic Stories, was launched in April 2019, and is a major milestone for the project.
The credits contain some familiar names...
https://paralympichistory.org.au/credits/
Leigh Blackall, Greg Blood, Vicki Epstein, Laura Hale, Tara MacPhail, Ross Mallett, Patricia Ollerenshaw, Graham Pearce, John Vandenberg, Liz Watt from the HOPAU Wikipedia and e-history group, the ongoing group that has contributed more than anyone else.
Wikimedia Australia, including Toby Hudson, Pru Mitchell, Kerry Raymond and Steven Zhang.
This official project went on for five years so far and was paid for from government funds.
Think on that.

Actual coordination, however, started much earlier.

Australian Paralympic History Project
https://www.paralympic.org.au/programs/ ... y-project/
Wikipedia

Since 2010, Paralympics Australia has enjoyed a relationship with Wikimedia Australia, the parent body for Wikipedia in Australia.

Nearly 1,000 new articles relating to Paralympic sport, especially Paralympic sport in Australia, have been created, including articles about every Australian Paralympic medallist and every member of the Australian Paralympic Team from 2012 to 2018. During the Rio 2016 Paralympic Games, these articles were viewed more than 1.9 million times.

In 2017, more than 50 volunteer editors were involved in creating and updating Paralympic content. Paralympics Australia runs workshops annually for new and existing editors.
This smells to high heaven and should probably result in WMAU getting the same treatment that WMUK got for GibraltarPedia and the QRCode debacle.
The parallels are between these two grifts are compelling to say the least.
How much money has been spent on WMAU based grifts?

And the book
https://www.paralympic.org.au/wp-conten ... ersion.pdf
Written history

The narrative contained within the written history of the
Paralympic movement in Australia will wind through the history
project, connecting its elements in a multidimensional tapestry.
The primary vehicle for the presentation of the written history
will be online.

The online narrative will link to Wikipedia articles about athletes
and other key participants; it will link to photos; it will link to the
oral histories, to videos; and it will reference the APC’s physical
collections such as memorabilia and the library.

The written history will utilise recent successful online storytelling
techniques to tell the story of the Paralympic movement in
Australia in a compelling way that can be accessed linearly or
non-linearly. A “print on demand” book version is also planned.
The APC has commissioned the University of Queensland to
create the written history. UQ has received additional funding
through a National Research Council grant of $240,000 for the
project, which is seen as an innovative way of telling history.
The grifting never stops.



To summarize, dear reader:
* Every time Fram tried to fix any Paralympic article, he was up against an entire group of people who were editing collectively.
* They coordinated off-wiki, there was money involved, they conspired to flood DYK, GA, FA, Front Page, and other venues to generate page views.
* Laura Hale, like Roger Bamkin in GibraltarPedia, had a scheme to monetize, off wiki in a private project (http://www.para-sports.es), the work she was already paid by HOPAU for.
* Internally, these editors had air cover from Arbs, WMF employees and at least one member of the Board of Trustees.
* Externally, they had the support of the universities, the Australian government and at least one member of Parliament.
* ARBCOM, at Trust and Safety insistence, has started an official case against FRAM, but can't seem point to anything that Fram has done wrong.
* ARBCOM desperately needs to start the WP:BOOMERANG (so apt) case against everyone involved in this scheme.




The stench of corruption is so strong here that nothing else can be discerned but its reek.
Wikipedia, you guys need to clean this with fire or you are complicit through inaction.
When the next paid grifter comes prowling on en.wp, you won't be able to turn them away.
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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:45 pm

Carcharoth wrote:A bit more is revealed (by SilkTork on Meta):
"[...] that lines up with my observations, and also with the thrust of the T&S document. It is a shame that document is restricted because some of the observations in it are insightful and - contrary to community expectations - not hostile towards you. Indeed there are a good number of positive observations and comments, including seeing you as a valued contributor that the Foundation wishes to retain on the projects (albeit without the concerning behaviour)."
By banning him for a year and stripping him of his admin bit without explanation?

What an odd way to show how valued he is...
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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by DHeyward » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:03 pm

Carcharoth wrote:A bit more is revealed (by SilkTork on Meta):
"[...] that lines up with my observations, and also with the thrust of the T&S document. It is a shame that document is restricted because some of the observations in it are insightful and - contrary to community expectations - not hostile towards you. Indeed there are a good number of positive observations and comments, including seeing you as a valued contributor that the Foundation wishes to retain on the projects (albeit without the concerning behaviour)."
If it all occured on-wiki, what exactly is "restricted" and why?

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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:27 pm

DHeyward wrote:
Carcharoth wrote:A bit more is revealed (by SilkTork on Meta):
"[...] that lines up with my observations, and also with the thrust of the T&S document. It is a shame that document is restricted because some of the observations in it are insightful and - contrary to community expectations - not hostile towards you. Indeed there are a good number of positive observations and comments, including seeing you as a valued contributor that the Foundation wishes to retain on the projects (albeit without the concerning behaviour)."
If it all occured on-wiki, what exactly is "restricted" and why?
Nobody is allowed to speak the words, "Laura Hale" out loud.
Clerks have actually redacted that name when it's been written on official case pages.
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Unread post by Vigilant » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:43 pm

I'm not sure where Silk Tork is going with all this school marm approach, but he really needs to look at the motivations of the complainant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =915337104
I am also somewhat frustrated by the privacy constraints of both the T&S document and the ArbCom mailing list. However, if there is a commitment to protecting someone's privacy, and that was the basis for submitting evidence or raising a complaint, that must be honoured. The point of my mentioning those complaints reports was to say that in the discussions between myself and Fram we should look into those reports. We haven't yet, as the discussion hasn't gone that way yet. It's a slow discussion as unfortunately I have limited free time at the moment. But I think it's a helpful discussion. As regards the reports - apart from one instance the document doesn't reveal what was said, it simply describes the behaviour that caused the concern. So it's the behaviour that is the focus of attention, not those who directed attention to the behaviour. I think that perhaps "complaints" is not the right word. The word the document uses is "report", and that is actually more appropriate. The one report we can see is neutral and factual - it is not a complaint, it is a list of links to Fram's behaviour. As an experienced Committee member I understand that evidence can sometimes be selective, as such I tend to look at the context of the evidence, but I treat all evidence the same - I do not disregard evidence simply because it comes from an antagonistic source, nor do I give special weight to evidence that comes from a friendly source. I believe my colleagues do the same. So it's not the messenger but the message that matters. I think the TimidGuy case is a good example of that. A banned editor made an appeal against action by an experienced admin and the site founder, Jimbo. The Committee overturned the ban based on the evidence not on who was supplying it. So while I understand there is some interest in who said what to whom, these are not witness reports where there may be some doubt as to the veracity of the witnesses, but links to behaviour. If there is hard evidence of someone shouting abuse, and that evidence is available for all to examine, then it is not important who reported the evidence - the street drunk, the passerby, or the off-duty policeman, the evidence is the evidence and it doesn't become different depending on who links to it. SilkTork (talk) 17:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Someone should point him at unclean hands.
unclean hands

n. a legal doctrine which is a defense to a complaint, which states that a party who is asking for a judgment cannot have the help of the court if he/she has done anything unethical in relation to the subject of the lawsuit.

Thus, if a defendant can show the plaintiff had "unclean hands," the plaintiff's complaint will be dismissed or the plaintiff will be denied judgment.

Unclean hands is a common "affirmative defense" pleaded by defendants and must be proved by the defendant.

Example: Hank Hardnose sues Grace Goodenough for breach of contract for failure to pay the full amount for construction of an addition to her house. Goodenough proves that Hardnose had shown her faked estimates from subcontractors to justify his original bid to Goodenough.
Laura Hale is not a clean hands complainant.

She has, for decades, abused processes and suborned the powerful to defeat anyone who thwarts her will.
Examples abound from fanfiction to wikipedia to wikinews.
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Vigilant wrote:
DHeyward wrote:
Carcharoth wrote:A bit more is revealed (by SilkTork on Meta):
"[...] that lines up with my observations, and also with the thrust of the T&S document. It is a shame that document is restricted because some of the observations in it are insightful and - contrary to community expectations - not hostile towards you. Indeed there are a good number of positive observations and comments, including seeing you as a valued contributor that the Foundation wishes to retain on the projects (albeit without the concerning behaviour)."
If it all occured on-wiki, what exactly is "restricted" and why?
Nobody is allowed to speak the words, "Laura Hale" out loud.
Clerks have actually redacted that name when it's been written on official case pages.
Supposedly because she 'vanished', except she only vanished after this whole mess with Fram started to go down, which is about as suspicious as it gets.

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Unread post by lonza leggiera » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:52 pm

Vigilant wrote:Creating Histories of the Australian Paralympic Movement: A New Relationship between Researchers and the Community (2014–2018)
http://researchers.uq.edu.au/research-project/15622

Documenting the Australian Paralympic story - 7 Aug 2019 (editor's note: This website as part of the project went live DURING Fram's ARBCOM trial *boggle*)
https://habs.uq.edu.au/article/2019/08/ ... mpic-story
The project, titled ‘Creating Histories of the Australian Paralympic Movement: A New Relationship between Researchers and the Community’, has three major components: Wikipedia pages, a website, and a book (which is at manuscript stage).
The website...
The website, Paralympic Stories, was launched in April 2019, and is a major milestone for the project.
The credits contain some familiar names...
https://paralympichistory.org.au/credits/
Leigh Blackall, Greg Blood, Vicki Epstein, Laura Hale, Tara MacPhail, Ross Mallett, Patricia Ollerenshaw, Graham Pearce, John Vandenberg, Liz Watt from the HOPAU Wikipedia and e-history group, the ongoing group that has contributed more than anyone else.
Wikimedia Australia, including Toby Hudson, Pru Mitchell, Kerry Raymond and Steven Zhang.
This official project went on for five years so far and was paid for from government funds.

This requires some qualification. The Australian Paralympics Committee is not a government organisation. It's a not-for-profit public company, registered as a charity with the Australian Charities and Not-for-Profits Commission, and enjoys charity tax-concession, and deductible gift-recipient statuses. While a large proportion of its income is derived from government grants (more than 50% in the years from 2009–2015), a substantial proportion has come from other sources (never less than 30% in the period 2009–2015). Since 2015, income from government grants has been less than 50% of its total income, and from 2016 it's been less than 35%.

This, of course, in no way justifies any waste of expenditure on the Committee's part. Such waste is just as egregious when the wasted resources are provide by donors, sponsors or sales, as when they are provided by taxpayers.
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Re: Fram blocked by User:WMFOffice for 1 year

Unread post by Midsize Jake » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:18 pm

Last night we had a little PM exchange about this, in which I expressed my view that the various wiki-volunteers who helped out on the Australian Paralympic Committee were, essentially, just regular Aussie sports fans helping out with some Wikipedia stuff, but now, because of the Laura Hale connection, we were practically treating them as co-conspirators in a criminal enterprise. I still stand by my original assertion - aside from Leigh Blackall and Laura Hale herself, I'm pretty sure none of those people were doing anything wrong, or at least didn't think they were doing anything wrong. They may have been "in on the grift" in a peripheral way, but of course they never actually thought of it as a "grift." And again, this was all done in the name of Paralympians, not actual bad people.

But if you'll all excuse me for putting that aside for the moment....

One of my points during the aforementioned PM exchange was that most people on Wikipedia think the Australian Paralympic Committee project was entirely above-board because it appears to have been set up under the auspices of the Wikipedian-in-Residence program. But in 2011, that program was in its infancy - there were fewer than 10 WiRs in the world at that time. (Also, I personally didn't pay much attention to it as it was being formed, because I was distracted - in late 2011 and early 2012, the old Wikipedia Review website that I helped administer was in the process of being member-purged and gutted by its owner at the behest of at least one of its long-term enemies, leading to the creation of this site, Wikipediocracy, in March 2012. Trust me, it was time-consuming.)

The fact is, the Wikipedian-in-Residence program was beset by conflict-of-interest problems from the jump. Those problems weren't really addressed by the WMF, which at that time was far smaller and even more incompetent than it is now. COI policies did not exist, and eventually had to be drawn up by chapters just to keep potential sponsors happy. The whole thing was, basically, chaos - so if you were working on a Wikipedia-related paid project for a non-profit, a public-interest organization, or a GLAM institution of some kind, and you wanted the imprimatur of the Wikimedia Foundation, what would you just naturally do?

You'd just add your own name to the WiR projects list, that's what you'd do.

That's right, Laura Hale just added her own name to the list. That imprimatur never actually existed in any formal sense of the word, nobody was coordinating any of this, nobody was even paying attention. Later on of course, things got a little more formal, and in August of 2012, User:Piotrus (T-C-L) went through and checked some of the links people were inserting. He noticed that some of the linked-to pages didn't mention anything about the WiR projects in question, and made a note of it in the appropriate columns of the nice new wikitable they'd set up. And, eventually, all of those discrepancies were resolved - all except one. To this day, the entry for the Australian Paralympic Committee's WiR project still says that the linked-to project page "(does not discuss WiR project?)"

So if anyone asks why we call this a "grift," this is why. IMO, the APC project should be striken from that list. It was never a WiR project at all, it was simply a paid job to write and promote Wikipedia articles - for a good cause, to be sure, and nobody wants to denigrate Paralympic athletes. But lots of paid-editing jobs are set up for good causes without being given the WMF's blessing for it.

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