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Nomination of Austria women's national under-19 floorball team for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Austria women's national under-19 floorball team is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Austria women's national under-19 floorball team until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Fram (talk) 20:10, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Fram,
This is a request to stay off my talk page, in the same style as you request it of other editors. Other admins have requested that you stop posting on my talk page before. They have requested you stop taking action in regards to me, especially given your problematic actions as they relate to your inability to be impartial where I am concerned. You have claimed that DYKs I did were related to Gibraltarpedia, when they were clearly not, and you never retracted this. You completely out of process deleted article drafts from my user space citing gross BLP violations, which other admins said were not this after viewing the deleted content. You defended these actions, and did not admit your errors. These are two examples, of several, where you have acted in bad faith with me. Enough.
Stay off my talk page Fram. If you have a problem with my work, then you need to talk to another admin and have them handle the problem. It should not be you. LauraHale (talk) 14:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
The post above was an automatic note sent to you when nominating a page you created for deletion. Not sending this note would have been problematic and looked sa if I had something to hide (I didn't, I was going through orphaned pages and nominating for deletion some on non notable subjects, including this one; who created it didn't interest me). Gibraltarpedia: when that touristic project came under fire at DYK, you (who clearly supported the main Gibraltarpedia editors at DYK and vice versa) started writing (usually very poor) DYKs for article with "Gibraltar" in the title. Just a coincidence, of course, and how bad was my faith to see any connection there.
When you are responsible for serious errors appearing in Wikipedia, I'll note this here, whether you like this or not. When articles you write are filled with errors, I'll delete them, nominate them for deletion, or move them to draft space, depending on the type and amount of errors. If you would again start creating strings of sub-par articles, certainly if they would be on BLPs or filled with BLP violations, I will again raise the issue at the administrator's noticeboard. I will not turn a blind eye to your problematic editing just because you don't like it, and I will not let your claims about me remain unchallenged.
Feel free to raise the issue of your BLP violations at WP:AN if you really want admins to look at it: User:LauraHale/Guinea at the 2000 African Francophone Games for the Handicapped is the deleted article, User:LauraHale/Irma Khetsuriani is one that was moved from mainspace to your userspace. Whether it is a good idea for you to raise this issue there is dubious though: I tried to prevent you from being blocked or banned by raising the problems here instead of at AN or ArbCom, considering your history of poor articles and the sanctions you already received. Fram (talk) 12:27, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
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Fiji Paralympic Association
Hi, I notice that you are back editing here. Sadly, some of the earlier problems seem to be continuing. I have corrected the Fiji Paralympic Association article[1]. It looks as if you misread the source and thereby included incorrect information in the article. The source doesn't state that the support is no longer equal for Olympic and Paralympic athletes or that only a few sports still are supported, but that despite the equal support, success has only been achieved in a few sports, due to other reasons. Fram (talk) 10:52, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Committee Paralimpic Andorra
Okay, I thought the above was poor, but this seems to be worse. Where did you get Committee Paralimpic Andorra? You should know by now that your Spanish (or Catalan) is poor, so please don't try to guess the Spanish name of the Paralympic Committee of Andorra. It should have been "COMITÈ PARALÍMPIC ANDORRÀ", if you wanted it like that, only it seems that no organization of that name exists (the name is used in the press regularly though). All that seems to exist now is the Federació Andorrana d'esports adaptats, with president Jordi Casellas Albiol[2]. You can see at the official page of the Andorran government about sports agencies[3] that they list the "Federació Andorrana d'Esports Adaptats" (located in Ordino) and the "Comitè Olímpic Andorrà", but no paralympic committee with such a name (and certainly not with the name of our article).
If you create an article about an organisation, the least you can do is check whether you have the right name for it. Otherwise, please don't bother. Fram (talk) 11:07, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Irma Khetsuriani
I have moved Irma Khetsuriani, a page you recently created, back to User:LauraHale/Irma Khetsuriani from where you had recently moved it from the mainspace. As far as I know, you don't speak Georgian (neither do I) and we both have to rely on Google translate or a similar tool to help us. Please correct me if I am wrong here.
In your article, your first source is [4], which you use 11 times in the article to source statements like "The family left the region during the war with very few possessions.", "At the age of 17, she entered the University of Kutaisi, where she studied English and informatics.", " At one point, the disease was so severe that her lung almost collapsed and she was near death." and so on.
Which is all very impressive, considering that apparently the article only has the following to say about Khetsuriani (through Google Translate): "6. Irma Khetsuriani-second year of life in a wheelchair enchained able to continue to maintain its position among the successful, parasportsmenta the World Cup and became vice-champion of the world." I may be missing something here, and in that case please explain it to me, but otherwise it seems as if your source does not contain most of the statements you link to it at all, not even something vaguely resembling it.
Looking at other statements you make in the article:
"One of Khersuriani's best friend is fellow Georgian wheelchair fencer, Temo Dadiani also from Abkhazia. The pair met at a rehabilitation center in Ukraine.[7]"
Source 7 is [5], which states
"Irma is an international fencing champion, whom Tinatin met in a rehabilitation center in Ukraine." Now, Tinatin is Tinatin Kuskusela, not Temo Dadiani. Dadiani is also mentioned in that article, but in a completely different context. So here at least it is clear that you have completely misread or misrepresented the source (in English).
Your article:
"She lost to American Ellen Geddes 9 - 15 in the quarterfinals. Geddes would go on to win bronze while Khersuriani finished fifth.[22]"
Source[6]: "Geddes went 3-3 in the Category B women’s epee pools to advance to the quarter-finals where she defeated Irma Khetsuriani (GEO), 15-9."
Nowhere in that article is it said that Khetsuriani finished 5th, which isn't automatic when you lose a quarterfinal in fencing.
I haven't checked every source, these few were sufficient to see that you don't seem to have improved your editing much in your absence and that articles you create can't be accepted in the mainspace as they stand.
Please radically change your approach to editing, or get a mentor, or do something else, but don't again flood the enwiki mainspace with articles with major sourcing issues, wrong information, wrong titles, and so on, like in the above examples (which cover three of the last four articles you created, indicating that these problems are the rule, not the exception). Fram (talk) 08:52, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Proposed deletion of Sint Maarten women's national football team
The article Sint Maarten women's national football team has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Can find no evidence that this team exists or has ever existed. The two statements with citations in the article are non-specific statements about football in general in Sint Maarten, not about women's football (let alone a national team).
While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. IgnorantArmies (talk) 13:17, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Prior to another vanity archiving...
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =659117172
A metric ass ton of broken reference bot notifications, DYK failures, refusal to answer questions in regard to busted DYKs, she gets taken to WP:AN... by Fram... who asks for a topic ban for her.
AN discussion
You are the subject of a discussion at WP:AN#Laura Hale topic ban. Fram (talk) 17:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Laura. I understand your unwillingness to go to ANI, but I am afraid we really have a problem with your editing. Would you please be willing to respond in the ANI thread (where a number of examples are collected) or elsewhere? Thank you.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:44, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I apologize, but as the AN discussion was started about 5 minutes after I started adding sources to an article I created that Fram had nominated for deletion, and where Fram mispresented the availability of sources related to the topic. Fram has previously sought to block me from processes and misrepresented my work, including falsely counting DYKs I wrote as being about Gibraltar when they were clearly not. He had also gone after me for Flat Bastion Road and for another article about an Australian Paralympic guide skier at DYK. For me, this is a continuing pattern on the part of Fram in going after me. (I have previously requested that Fram cease interacting with me.)
In my opinion, @Demiurge1000: did a good job at debunking the examples provided.) Since the discussion at DYK, I have made a very conscious effort to seek second opinions when I am unsure of the meaning of words, spent most of December learning Spanish, tried to rely less on translation tools to understand meaning, and sought assistance from members of Wikimedia España when I had even more questions about what I was reading.
The three examples Fram provided were not about translation errors. One was a typographical error. One was contorting the English language to avoid close paraphrasing from a translation. The third was a misunderstanding of a topic, not an issue of translation.
Most of the articles that Fram likely would point to are less issues of translation than of attempting to write an article to prove the article satisfies WP:GNG. Writing styles and citation styles differ very much when writing a stub about an inherently notable subject, when writing an article about a subject to demonstrate they pass WP:GNG, writing an article for WP:DYK, writing an article for WP:GA and writing an article for WP:FAC. As @Dr. Blofeld: notes, these articles are not the best things ever, and they are not striving to be. Rather, the are trying to demonstrate notability, and Fram is mistaking poor writing to pass WP:GNG for misunderstanding sources. Instead of being here to positively contribute to Wikipedia by improving the prose, Fram takes me to AN which goes back to m point about this being an example of Fram's hounding. --LauraHale (talk) 15:03, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I personally do not see problems with the notability of the articles I look at, but I do see problems with the prose (English is not my mothertongue though, and I was already accused multiple times of not understanding things here, so that I can be wrong), and indeed sometimes articles you created do not contain the same info as Spanish sources contain. I see that these two problems were cited on many occasions in the past, and I see that it persists. I do not think Fram is going to check all your articles and re-write all the prose. How do you think we should solve it?--Ymblanter (talk) 15:18, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
A qualification of writing for Wikipedia is not writing brilliant prose. I do not see many occasions where these problems were brought to my attention. The first I am aware of was the discussion on DYK, which Fram who has a history of hounding me, started. The second time it was brought to my attention was when it was brought up on ANI. If I have been informed on this on other occasions, then please provide diffs related to this notice of notifications on my talk page. Fram provided three examples. That is not many considering the number of articles I have written and the number of edits I have made using Spanish sources. What percentage of my contributions using Spanish sources do you think are problematic? --LauraHale (talk) 15:23, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I do not know what percentage is problematic, I would need to check myself. However, even if the percentage is very small, these are still articles (and actually BLP articles) which contain wrong information, and smth has to be done about this. And if you have see the ANI thread, you must have noticed that, apart from the topic ban issue, Fram is certainly not the only editor who sees a problem here.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
As I have said earlier, I have taken steps to make sure that I am understanding Spanish content better and will make every effort to do better in the future. While I admit that my comprehension is not always 100%, most of the issues pointed out are problems of prose, not problems of translation.[1] I believe that Fram is cherry picking to make me look bad, taking a few isolated cases and blowing them out of proportion. I believe he is engaging in hounding, which is why he tried to bring up my affiliations in the AN notice. I also believe that his hounding is why he did not take appropriate steps to raise these concerns with me. I am open to potential mentorship where some one could vet my Spanish comprehension in terms of article writing if there is a greater demonstration of problems than the ones provided by Fram on AN, but not until a later date and independent of any action connected to Fram. (Who took me to AN immediately after I started working to prove notability on an article he nominated for deletion.) Also, can you please point me to diffs where I was notified that this was a problem as requested? And demonstrate that following my commitment on DYK to try to be much more careful regarding my use of Spanish language sources, I have continued to engage in the problematic behavior? I will happily work on those articles to fix the problems identified after I made my commitment, because I am trying very hard to use sources in compliance with policy. I will continue to do so. I just need examples to have an idea of what the problem is and how I can fix it. --LauraHale (talk) 15:51, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I have now taken the last article you created (it is not my field at all), and here are the issues I found: [2] (note that this includes some cleanup as well). I see there one info which was plain wrong (16 instead of 18, probably typo), one which looked like a machine translation (about two fourth places), one which was incomplete (one gold instead of two), and a wrong name (English is Biscay, fortunately it was included in a disambig). Whereas it is very likely that most of these were not really translation problems but just typos and similar issues, I am afraid this was too much for an article which has three paragraphs of prose. Do you want me to check more?--Ymblanter (talk) 16:17, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Also copyedited this article a bit, hope this helps.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:07, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Does one detect a pattern, dear reader?
If you do, pay attention to the next bit... It'll knock your socks off...
Spanish translations
Laura, I hope to close the AN discussion about you. In that discussion, you indicated a willingness to keep your translated-from-Spanish drafts in a sandbox area until they are vetted by someone competent in Spanish. Have you found a corps of willing translation helpers (either in the Wikipedia community or in your real life in Spain)? --Orlady (talk) 05:06, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I can do it. It's one of the most impressive efforts I have ever seen in Wikipedia, and it deserves full cooperation. Laura, just ping me when you need me to check something. Cheers. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 06:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I would accept @Raystorm: as a person supervising my Spanish work on English Wikipedia. --LauraHale (talk) 06:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Awesome news! --Orlady (talk) 14:49, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I've closed the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive258#Laura_Hale_topic_ban, with the following concluding statement:
Result: There is consensus that there is a pattern of significant translation errors (not merely "typos") in articles that User:LauraHale has written on the basis of Spanish-language sources. The proposal to ban LauraHale from using Spanish-language sources did not receive a consensus, but there is general support in this discussion for an arrangement that would ensure that her translations don't reach main space until they have been validated by someone with appropriate knowledge of Spanish and English. After User:Tony1 proposed a 90-day trial in which "any article text she creates and/or edits that is derived from Spanish-language sources should be worked on first in a sandbox, and be transferred into mainspace only when endorsed as acceptable" by someone with appropriate language skills, LauraHale said on this page that she would "accept a six month requirement that before I move any article to the main space that heavily relies on Spanish language sources, that it be vetted by a native language Spanish speaker who has read all the sources and checked the accuracy of my text against the article, and then have that person comment on the draft article talk page before moving it." There was only limited discussion of this proposal, with some support and most objections focused on skepticism about the feasibility of getting people to do the requested reviews. On LauraHale's talk page, User:Raystorm has graciously indicated a willingness to oversee LauraHale's Spanish work. Seeing that Raystorm's multilingual abilities are demonstrated by work on several versions of Wikipedia and this user has a strong interest in sport-related topics, this arrangement appears to be a very satisfactory plan for addressing the concerns that led to this discussion. Accordingly, for the next 6 months (until July 30, 2014), LauraHale will place any articles based on translations from Spanish in a sandbox and will not move them to main space until Raystorm (or another user with similar language skills) has indicated that the translations are satisfactory. LauraHale is reminded that if problems continue to be detected during this period, this plan will need to be revisited -- and is likely to be replaced by a more severe restriction. It is to be hoped that by the end of this period, either LauraHale's Spanish will have improved to the point that she no longer needs this assistance, or she will recognize the need to continue the arrangement voluntarily.
Here's hoping that the 6-month process goes well. (And maybe it will provide opportunities to submit alternative translations to Google in order to improve Google's translation databases so that it no longer mangles some of the terminology that apparently created trouble in the past.) --Orlady (talk) 15:52, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Totes normal.
Nothing to see here...
Obviously Fram was the bad guy here and the Laura Hale/Raystorm relationship has no hidden agendas.
Maria, you're going to need to resign.
Laura, you need to be SanFranBanned for trying to do this shit to someone else using Maria as your fulcrum.
WMF, you need to disband this Trust and Safety team and start over. Try to get some people with actual experience next time.
ARBCOM, you need to grow a fucking spine and get your collective testicles to descend.
Jimmy, you need to just fuck off completely, you useless shit.
You guys have been played. Hard.
I can't tell you how funny it is to watch this from the sidelines.
Unlike incivility, there is a well-established