DeltaQuad running for bureaucratship

Emblyn · Unread post by **Emblyn** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:41 am

DeltaQuad (T-C-L)
Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/DeltaQuad (T-H-L)

I've been an admin since May 2011, making me about 8 years into moping up the messes. I recently left the Arbitration Committee after 4 years of service, and have now joined the Ombudsman Commission. I'm not as old as some admins, but not new to the job either. In that time, I have explored multiple areas on Wikipedia, and held multiple positions. (my resume) Each year, I learn more and more, and the day I stop learning, is the day I need to leave Wikipedia. Ever since I've started, my role has been more a backend role. 'Crats mission is to fill that backend role. The role requires a fair amount of experience and neutrality. My work closing RfCs, XfDs and other relevant forums highlights the most of my experience. As far as my neutrality goes, if I have a predisposed opinion, I don't express it on Wikipedia, and remove myself from the discussion. These two things put together are my strong suits. As you will see below, I'm always willing to listen, observe and discuss issues that arise. Whether it's as horrible as child protection, or as simple as helping an admin figure out if they should delete a page, I'm here for both discussions. -- Amanda (aka DQ)

SixOClock · Unread post by **SixOClock** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:57 am

Oh, new account eh Dysklyver?

Unread post by **tarantino** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:04 am

Emblyn is a partner of Dysklyver.

DeltaQuad is also a newly appointed member of the wmf's ombudsman commission.

Tommy · Unread post by **Tommy** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:02 am

What's the correct vote here? On whose side is she?

Parabola · Unread post by **Parabola** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:03 am

Tommy wrote:What's the correct vote here? On whose side is she?

You shouldn't ask for help with your homework on the internet, generally.

Unread post by **Midsize Jake** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:46 am

Parabola wrote:
Tommy wrote:What's the correct vote here? On whose side is she?
You shouldn't ask for help with your homework on the internet, generally.

Well... Tommy's new here, so perhaps he hasn't realized yet that on Wikipedia, the only way to win is to not play the game at all.

Alex Shih · Unread post by **Alex Shih** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:12 pm

Interesting. DQ is prone to stress but goes out looking for them, although there aren't many of that for crats so she will do just fine. My impression of DQ is that she is too much into hat collection (just look at her user page for crying out loud) and isn't really well versed on policies involving content creation. On the other hand, she is one of the very few people that are willing to confront those who are misusing the mailing list, and also one of the few people that are capable of tackling right into the heart of difficult issues instead of dancing around them. So for those who are critical of internal functions of Wikipedia, I think she can be a good ally; not sure if she makes a good crat though? Not boring enough, I think. There's bound to be a few more opposes racked up in the coming days when some folks begin to dig up examples of "temperament".

C&B · Unread post by **C&B** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:15 pm

tarantino wrote:Emblyn is a partner of Dysklyver.

...how many's he got?!

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:58 pm

I've been an admin since May 2011, making me about 8 years into moping up the messes.

I wouldn't normally make a fuss about a typo, but bureaucrats should never be allowed to make mistakes.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:59 pm

C&B wrote:
tarantino wrote:Emblyn is a partner of Dysklyver.
...how many's he got?!

I think she's supposed to be his sister. But a lawyer in a large firm can have 100 or more partners.

C&B · Unread post by **C&B** » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:16 pm

Doesn't the ED suggest that they're actually male?

Mind you, it's run by nutters, so who knows.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:33 pm

Poetlister wrote:
C&B wrote:
tarantino wrote:Emblyn is a partner of Dysklyver.
...how many's he got?!
I think she's supposed to be his sister. But a lawyer in a large firm can have 100 or more partners.

Swingers, on the other hand...

RfB

C&B · Unread post by **C&B** » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:54 pm

Randy from Boise wrote:Swingers, on the other hand... RfB

Alex Shih wrote:There's bound to be a few more opposes racked up in the coming days when some folks begin to dig up examples of "temperament".

H'mm; at (132/1/1) that might take some doing...

Ansh666 · Unread post by **Ansh666** » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:46 pm

I don't think that people view "temperament" as as big a deal for crats as for admins. Besides, Lourdes' oppose is so dumb that it may be putting others off from opposing...

And from what precious little I've seen of ED, at least some of its contributors subscribe to the "there aren't any women on the internet, so anyone claiming to be one must be lying" theory.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:25 pm

Bureeaucrats, when acting in that capacity, are supposed to stick exactly to the written and unwritten rules. A bureaucrat rocking the boat is almost a contradiction in terms. So yes, let's elect her.

Beeblebrox · Unread post by **Beeblebrox** » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:41 pm

There's precious little work for 'crats to even do anymore, but DQ is a perfect candidate and we have lost a few in the last year, (not that Andrevan was a big loss) so yeah, obvious support.

Lourdes is one of the most disappointing admins ever. Her oppose shows how little she knows about actually being an admin.

Alex Shih · Unread post by **Alex Shih** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:00 am

C&B wrote:
Randy from Boise wrote:Swingers, on the other hand... RfB

Alex Shih wrote:There's bound to be a few more opposes racked up in the coming days when some folks begin to dig up examples of "temperament".
H'mm; at (132/1/1) that might take some doing...

Well I guess she is boring enough. I wonder if she is now going to monopolise all the arbcom desysopping motions as part of their return to clerk work. That might stir up something, we'll see.

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:03 pm

Tommy wrote:What's the correct vote here? On whose side is she?

The left-liberals i'm afraid, not going to help fixing any Wikipedia bias anytime soon.

SixOClock wrote:Oh, new account eh Dysklyver?

Of course, my monopoly on posting RfA threads must be maintained. :irony:

C&B wrote:
tarantino wrote:Emblyn is a partner of Dysklyver.
...how many's he got?!

Contrary to popular belief, I do exist in real life.

C&B wrote:Doesn't the ED suggest that they're actually male?
Mind you, it's run by nutters, so who knows.

Sadly, that information on ED is inaccurate. I asked on Discord and supposedly it's kept because of "teh lulz".

Randy from Boise wrote:Swingers, on the other hand... RfB

You should take your brain back to the store for a refund.

Poetlister wrote:Bureeaucrats, when acting in that capacity, are supposed to stick exactly to the written and unwritten rules. A bureaucrat rocking the boat is almost a contradiction in terms. So yes, let's elect her.

I completely agree.

Beeblebrox wrote:Lourdes is one of the most disappointing admins ever. Her oppose shows how little she knows about actually being an admin.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:53 pm

Dysklyver wrote:Sadly, that information on ED is inaccurate.

That's incredible. An inaccuracy on ED? Unprecedented!

MysteriousStranger · Unread post by **MysteriousStranger** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:35 pm

Ansh666 wrote:I don't think that people view "temperament" as as big a deal for crats as for admins. Besides, Lourdes' oppose is so dumb that it may be putting others off from opposing...

And from what precious little I've seen of ED, at least some of its contributors subscribe to the "there aren't any women on the internet, so anyone claiming to be one must be lying" theory.

I'm like 99% sure DQ is transgender and early drafts of her page use male pronouns. Maybe that was just what ED said.

Boing! said Zebedee · Unread post by **Boing! said Zebedee** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:46 pm

MysteriousStranger wrote:I'm like 99% sure DQ is transgender and early drafts of her page use male pronouns. Maybe that was just what ED said.

All you have to do is click the "Female" link in the "Disclosures" on her user page.

Unread post by **Midsize Jake** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:57 pm

Clicking on links is hard for some people...

Meanwhile, presumably "DeltaQuad" is a Star Trek reference (to the "Delta Quadrant (T-H-L)," where all the bad aliens apparently come from), but I personally don't subscribe to the theory that all Trekkies are transgender people. So hey man, don't get on my case, that's just me, I'm not saying it's totally impossible, but there are a lot of Trekkies and if they were all TG then I don't see how the medical establishment could have managed it. Also, User:DeltaQuad (T-C-L) used to be User:MWOAP (T-C-L), who apparently tried to do an RfA after only three months of WP activity and was shot down for inexperience. The abbreviation "MWOAP" has no non-WP Google footprint except for a high-end catering business in California called "My World On A Plate," which in turn is an oblique reference to "Everything's Coming Up Roses (T-H-L)," made popular by Ethel Merman (T-H-L). So yeah, that's not exactly definitive either, but it does suggest... something. I mean, sure, trans-haters will try to tell you it's an abbreviation for "Man Without A Penis," but what kind of nutcase would use that as a WP username? Other than, I dunno, roughly half the people who are actual WP users?

Anyway, that's my selmahyzerman impersonation for the week, folks - only with links!

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:00 pm

In order to help save the trouble of the mods needlessly cutting and pasting all my comments into oblivion and making discussions confusing, I have been replying in the It's always about kumioko thread.

I just replied to this thread there as well. Cheers!

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:35 pm

Her user page says she's currently experiencing health problems. Maybe it's not a good time for an RfB.

Parabola · Unread post by **Parabola** » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:34 pm

bureaucrats, famously busy

MysteriousStranger · Unread post by **MysteriousStranger** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:45 am

My only problem with DQ is that I believe she goes on fishing expeditions using CU, but quite a few of them do that. Like Fae, she is LGBTQ and has mental health issues. Unlike Fae, she does not take said issues out on Wikipedia editors that I've seen. So...I believe she will do okay as a bureaucrat.

Ansh666 · Unread post by **Ansh666** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:33 am

Lourdes is now complaining on ANI about this nonsense...

Parabola · Unread post by **Parabola** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:21 am

Maybe lourdes and twc can take each other out simultaneously and spare everyone else having to deal with them

Unread post by **Midsize Jake** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:53 am

Say what you want about User:Lourdes (T-C-L) - the fact is, she's absolutely right to call out User:Thewolfchild (T-C-L) for this kind of abusive hassling of "Oppose" voters, along with anyone else who does it. If the Wikipedia admin corps had any sense, they'd ban people like this without discussion.

The only mistake Ms. Lourdes has made here is including the words "I might be the one completely wrong in assessing the issue" in what she posted. Sure, she could've worded it more precisely by leaving out the words "the one," but it doesn't matter - she's not wrong at all.

Kumioko · Unread post by **Kumioko** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:25 pm

Midsize Jake wrote:Say what you want about User:Lourdes (T-C-L) - the fact is, she's absolutely right to call out User:Thewolfchild (T-C-L) for this kind of abusive hassling of "Oppose" voters, along with anyone else who does it. If the Wikipedia admin corps had any sense, they'd ban people like this without discussion.

The only mistake Ms. Lourdes has made here is including the words "I might be the one completely wrong in assessing the issue" in what she posted. Sure, she could've worded it more precisely by leaving out the words "the one," but it doesn't matter - she's not wrong at all.

Thewolfchild is an asshat and is the perfect candidate for adminship. They believe they are always right, they have no respect for others, do whatever they want with near impunity and are largely of no use whatsoever to improving Wikipedia. In the military we used the term, "promote ahead of peers".

Ansh666 · Unread post by **Ansh666** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:48 pm

Midsize Jake wrote:Say what you want about User:Lourdes (T-C-L) - the fact is, she's absolutely right to call out User:Thewolfchild (T-C-L) for this kind of abusive hassling of "Oppose" voters, along with anyone else who does it. If the Wikipedia admin corps had any sense, they'd ban people like this without discussion.

Sure, but the best way to avoid such nonsense is to not make dumbass opposes in the first place.

Either way, if we could just ban anyone that could be considered abusive without discussion, there'd be almost nobody left...which, frankly, at this point I'm sure a lot of people would be pretty happy about.

Alex Shih · Unread post by **Alex Shih** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:31 pm

Ansh666 wrote:
Midsize Jake wrote:Say what you want about User:Lourdes (T-C-L) - the fact is, she's absolutely right to call out User:Thewolfchild (T-C-L) for this kind of abusive hassling of "Oppose" voters, along with anyone else who does it. If the Wikipedia admin corps had any sense, they'd ban people like this without discussion.
Sure, but the best way to avoid such nonsense is to not make dumbass opposes in the first place.

Either way, if we could just ban anyone that could be considered abusive without discussion, there'd be almost nobody left...which, frankly, at this point I'm sure a lot of people would be pretty happy about.

Well twc was going to make dumbass badgerings regardless of Lourdes' dumbass oppose existed or not. It's really difficult to differentiate between these two; in Chinese we'd call it "dog bite dog".

Jim · Unread post by **Jim** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:40 pm

Alex Shih wrote:Well twc was going to make dumbass badgerings regardless of Lourdes' dumbass oppose existed or not. It's really difficult to differentiate between these two; in Chinese we'd call it "dog bite dog".

I have to disagree, Alex. Lourdes is ok - unconventional but ok - twc is an offensive dickhead.
Granted he's been carried away by this bizarre notion that an otherwise "pristine" Rfx must not be "spoiled" or "sullied" by any 0.5% oppose vote, and that anyone casting such a vote must be pilloried.
The proponents of that ludicrous way of thinking ought to consider that this is where that leads.. But still he's an offensive dickhead.

C&B · Unread post by **C&B** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:15 pm

Dysklyver wrote:
C&B wrote:Doesn't the ED suggest that they're actually male?
Mind you, it's run by nutters, so who knows.
Sadly, that information on ED is inaccurate. I asked on Discord and supposedly it's kept because of "teh lulz".

It's hard to imagine it's not defamatory then. But then, I guess internet handles are like the dead.

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:55 pm

C&B wrote:
Dysklyver wrote:
C&B wrote:Doesn't the ED suggest that they're actually male?
Mind you, it's run by nutters, so who knows.
Sadly, that information on ED is inaccurate. I asked on Discord and supposedly it's kept because of "teh lulz".
It's hard to imagine it's not defamatory then. But then, I guess internet handles are like the dead.

The former owner of ED still owes over 100k USD in unpaid defamation lawsuits.

C&B · Unread post by **C&B** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:31 pm

!!! I wonder how the hypertension's doing

Dysklyver · Unread post by **Dysklyver** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:43 am

C&B wrote:!!! I wonder how the hypertension's doing

Well he spent most the last year in prison rather than wacked out on meth, so I dunno, he could be good.

Alex Shih · Unread post by **Alex Shih** » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:36 pm

Jim wrote:
Alex Shih wrote:Well twc was going to make dumbass badgerings regardless of Lourdes' dumbass oppose existed or not. It's really difficult to differentiate between these two; in Chinese we'd call it "dog bite dog".
I have to disagree, Alex. Lourdes is ok - unconventional but ok - twc is an offensive dickhead.
Granted he's been carried away by this bizarre notion that an otherwise "pristine" Rfx must not be "spoiled" or "sullied" by any 0.5% oppose vote, and that anyone casting such a vote must be pilloried.
The proponents of that ludicrous way of thinking ought to consider that this is where that leads.. But still he's an offensive dickhead.

You are right. I guess I was just angrily referring to that in the context of this mess only.

el84 · Unread post by **el84** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:33 pm

DQ has resigned and handed all their bits in:

link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =922180613[/link]

link https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=19475638[/link]

C&B · Unread post by **C&B** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:56 pm

C&B wrote:
C&B wrote:And So Odd, as they have been Trolled of lately, But not half as much as PMC!
Whereas all the Bits can be returned on Request, I think Beaurocrat no? A new election run would be needed?

Govindaharihari (T-C-L) asks, Is It Under A cloud?

Ched (T-C-L) is expecting an Arb Noticeboard notice

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:24 pm

DQ has put up the RETIRED banner and made a note that they are taking a "Leave of Absence."

The only heated thing I can find on her user page is a set of complaints about closing the Greenman (T-C-L) RFA as failed at 61% rather than sending it to a Crat Chat for decision as was done for RexxS (T-C-L).

RfB

Giraffe Stapler · Unread post by **Giraffe Stapler** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:35 pm

See this discussion. DeltaQuad is resigning under a small cloud.

Poetlister · Unread post by **Poetlister** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:35 pm

C&B wrote:
C&B wrote:And So Odd, as they have been Trolled of lately, But not half as much as PMC!
Whereas all the Bits can be returned on Request, I think Beaurocrat no? A new election run would be needed?

I don't think that the bureaucrat bit is any different from others. If the resignation is not under a cloud (although it may be in this case), it can be restored on request just like anything else.

Randy from Boise · Unread post by **Randy from Boise** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:48 pm

Giraffe Stapler wrote:See this discussion. DeltaQuad is resigning under a small cloud.

I don't think there is a cloud, based on what I've seen so far. There are no impending sanctions.

RfB

Vigilant · Unread post by **Vigilant** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:25 pm

el84 wrote:DQ has resigned and handed all their bits in:

link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =922180613[/link]

link https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=19475638[/link]

Good.

Another of the insane old guard down.

Moral Hazard · Unread post by **Moral Hazard** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:39 pm

I verified the quadrants.

With the transfinite trickery "to infinity and beyond", Buzz Lightyear is from Gamma Quadrant.

Amanda is from DeltaQuad.

Osborne · Unread post by **Osborne** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:59 pm

Moral Hazard wrote:I verified the quadrants.
With the transfinite trickery "to infinity and beyond", Buzz Lightyear is from Gamma Quadrant.
Amanda is from DeltaQuad.

The mystical monk revealed to us the truth beyond the visible realm...

Randy from Boise wrote:
Giraffe Stapler wrote:See this discussion. DeltaQuad is resigning under a small cloud.
I don't think there is a cloud, based on what I've seen so far. There are no impending sanctions.
RfB

The sky was cloudy that day, for sure. The question is how dark those clouds were...
Sanctions don't fall out of cumulus humilis, but rather after years of heavy monsoons

, so sanctions are not a good indication of the weather.

The facts:
DQ oversighted edit(s) on Jbh's talk page. The edit(s) are not listed with strikethrough, which would be revdel.
And replaced with a redacted version.

What was redacted?

Jbhunley · Unread post by **Jbhunley** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:04 am

Osborne wrote:
Moral Hazard wrote:I verified the quadrants.
With the transfinite trickery "to infinity and beyond", Buzz Lightyear is from Gamma Quadrant.
Amanda is from DeltaQuad.
The mystical monk revealed to us the truth beyond the visible realm...

Randy from Boise wrote:
Giraffe Stapler wrote:See this discussion. DeltaQuad is resigning under a small cloud.
I don't think there is a cloud, based on what I've seen so far. There are no impending sanctions.
RfB
The sky was cloudy that day, for sure. The question is how dark those clouds were...
Sanctions don't fall out of cumulus humilis, but rather after years of heavy monsoons , so sanctions are not a good indication of the weather.

The facts:
DQ oversighted edit(s) on Jbh's talk page. The edit(s) are not listed with strikethrough, which would be revdel.
And replaced with a redacted version.

What was redacted?

You can read the whole story on my talk page. DQ copied the thread from Richie's talk page to mine. The opening statement contains the redacted material in its entirety with appropriate portions struck, by me. My closing comment in that thread is a good summary of what happened, to save the time of reading the whole thing. Ultimately the whole situation was as much my screw-up as hers.

Sure DQ messed up but she did not double-down or make excuses afterwards. She fixed it, apologized and reported herself to the ArbCom Audit Committee (where I said I considered the matter closed). We need more admins like that on WP.

--
Jbh

Osborne · Unread post by **Osborne** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:22 am

Jbhunley wrote:DQ copied the thread from Richie's talk page to mine.

I've made a false conclusion, then.

Jbhunley wrote:... She fixed it, apologized and reported herself to the ArbCom Audit Committee (where I said I considered the matter closed). We need more admins like that on WP.

Well handled. Thanks for the the summary.

Beeblebrox · Unread post by **Beeblebrox** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:20 am

Just a minor point, the audit subcommittee was disbanded in 2016. Matters like this are now handled by the full committee. AUSC did so little it was decided it was unnecessary.