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BURob13

I didn't even ask for a block from ArbCom, let alone T&S. I asked for a warning, which was clearly proportional to what Fram was doing. I just wanted future behavior deterred. The Committee couldn't even accomplish that. T&S has said multiple reports were received and the ban was the result of a pat...

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Insisting that what someone said implies something does not make it so. Defamation requires a statement of fact that is false, not a statement of fact that is true, but misinterpreted to mean something that is false. Plainly obvious implications can potentially lead to a viable claim of defamation, ...

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A 48 hours ban on TRM about 3-4 years ago would have caused him not to become the way he is. We've taught him there are no boundaries. Ahahahaha oh wait you are serious? TRM was never a nice person, but he wasn't egregiously horrible until a few years ago. He is very good at identifying the line, w...

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Early on, most WP editors learn that one better think carefully before going to ANI. ANI looks at the conduct of both parties to a dispute and sometimes the ANi boomerangs back with a sanction against the complaining party. The fundamental problem with the Fram ban is that T&S did not consider the ...

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Early on, most WP editors learn that one better think carefully before going to ANI. ANI looks at the conduct of both parties to a dispute and sometimes the ANi boomerangs back with a sanction against the complaining party. The fundamental problem with the Fram ban is that T&S did not consider the ...

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Kumioko wrote:
BURob13 wrote:About 200k starting + bonus
I wish I had a rich parent that could hire me into a top paying position I was grossly unqualified for. I had to earn the positions I got!

Try again. Single mother, grew up with three of us living in a two bedroom apartment. I’ve worked for everything I’ve got.

BURob13

About 200k starting + bonus

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The Adversary wrote:So, BURob13: when will you start working for the WMF?

I might actually apply eventually, but not for the role you would think. The role would be very time-limited, too, and probably unpaid.

I have my full-time gig locked down for at least the next three years.

BURob13

Fram said that from the beginning? Don't know why that's popcorn-worthy now. Is it really that much of a surprise that the WMF T&S team tried to talk to Fram and get him to de-escalate/stop violating the ToU before jumping to a ban?

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I appreciate how fully you’ve disclosed your position. A breath of fresh air compared to many who land in our fetid basement. For what it's worth, I feel I've been fairly consistent in that too. When I don't say something, it's typically because my NDA prevents it. I've pretty regularly engaged wit...

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It's worth noting that every major website with community contributions has a Trust & Safety department these days. It's necessary.

Facebook, Twitter, Discord, Whatsapp, you name it, it has a Trust & Safety department or close equivalent.

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I still can't get my head around this new definition of harassment. According to Rob, this 895740078 , enforcing a clear policy, is harassment. How ridiculous is this? If I don't get my way editing in a controversial area I'm just going to say that I don't feel safe with editors harassing me, stalk...

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well then, answer the question directly: did you make a complaint to T&S about Fram? I wouldn't say so, no. But it is more complicated than that, because the answer depends on what exactly you mean by a complaint. In particular, did I give my opinion on Fram's conduct to T&S at one point? Yes, if y...

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I'm slow sometimes. I've been closely following this mess all week and it only just now dawned on me whose report to T&S prompted them to pull the trigger on Fram. The passionate posts about the sacredness and inviolability of Office actions, and the lashing out at the people who tried to overrule ...

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1. Was there anything done off wiki (ie, not visible to us) that was reported about Fram to WMF T&S? (ie, emails, or off wiki contacts?) 2. Do you know of anyone else on arb.com/WMF who has discussed Fram with the WMF T&S team? (No need for names: just yes/no) 1) I wouldn't be able to say that if I...

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I haven't believed it was Raystorm from the beginning, since there was no recent contact with Raystorm that I can see on-wiki. That is a genuinely complicated question to answer, which is why I haven't answered it on-wiki. I don't want to say something that omits important details, but I legally can...

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This is, as far as I am aware, unprecedented. Unless there is something really, really awful that Fram did that nobody can or will talk about, they've never taken such a step before. This sort fo thing is usually reserved for serial harassers, stalkers, and pedophiles, not just people who mouth off...

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This is, as far as I am aware, unprecedented. Unless there is something really, really awful that Fram did that nobody can or will talk about, they've never taken such a step before. This sort fo thing is usually reserved for serial harassers, stalkers, and pedophiles, not just people who mouth off...

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Generally, every single sane dispute resolution system provides the structure to ensure victims aren't attacked during those proceedings, though. Enwiki does not do that. It's open season on anyone who brings a long-term, established editor to ANI for harassment.

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Let me re-phrase that for you. Who are the victims who didn't want to go through the shit-show that is ANI, where victims are routinely targeted by the "friends" of those who are being reported? Who are the victims who wouldn't want to go through a one-month public ArbCom case with the same issue? I...

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I absolutely resigned my tools in direct response to the community's reaction in this situation. I am not interested in calling myself a member of a community that lines up to protect abusers at the expense of victims, which is precisely what is happening here.

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Also, AGK has had many problems this year with communication, but honestly, I do not think authoritarianism is one of them. It's more about taking too much unilateral action, not making it clear when he's speaking his opinion rather than the Committee's, not considering how his comments will cause t...

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C&B wrote:I reckon BU Rob13 got out just in time

Honestly, "just in time" would have been resigning the day after the election results were announced about a year and a half ago. Being on the Committee sucks. It's important, necessary work, and I think I did a damn good job of it, but it's just godawful.

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The inactive thing is being widely misunderstood. Like so many words, "inactive" means something different on Wikipedia from its normal meaning. Maybe someone should compile a list of such words. Alternatively, maybe Arbcom could come up with a different term to avoid confusion. Personally, I don't...

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The problem with an individual arb blocking is that it gives the appearance of a Committee-endorsed block, no matter how much you try to stress that it isn't. It was kind of convenient in this situation to not be an arb anymore. (More broadly, it's just considerably easier to make difficult, good bl...

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I actually disagree on the "already should have been done" part. ArbCom shouldn't be making blocking decisions based on CU evidence for admin socking. That should stay with the CU team as individuals. ArbCom is only "needed" to address the sysop flag in that situation.

Separation of powers, etc.

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The hole is that arbcom has been discussing this since not much earlier than May, whereas Courcelles was inactive since January. So I think it's fair to say that he came out of retirement to "oppose" and then swiftly returned to his hybernatory state... That's not abnormal. Even generally inactive ...

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The Garbage Scow wrote:I always love how they leave the socks of assholes like this quietly hidden while dropping scarlet letter templates on everyone else.

He didn't have a sock account. He edited while logged out. We never connect IPs to accounts.

BURob13

Where exactly in that did I say that Courcelles shouldn't justify his vote? He should. None of that is a shield against transparency. I'm commenting only on the confusion surrounding the idea of someone being simultaneously generally inactive but active on a specific matter.

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The initial message sucked, but we definitely were not requiring 2FA. All we were trying to communicate is that admins must follow existing policies about administrator account security, and ArbCom is going to begin assessing whether they engaged in misconduct by failing to abide by those policies b...

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I don't think anything in here is offering legal advice. It's offering general information on a legal matter. A journalist doesn't have to worry about giving "legal advice" when they comment on a legal case, for instance.

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The inactive thing is being widely misunderstood. "Inactive" is a default state, but you can choose to be selectively active on things. I often spent time on the inactive list when I was semi-busy, mostly so arbs wouldn't need to wait on me to comment on ban appeals. I didn't want block appeals to t...

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Is it really necessary to go that far, Vig? At some point, I just feel bad for the obviously mentally ill guy.

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Hey Vig, I'm surprised you haven't commented on all the "YOUUUUU" declarations in Graaf's opening post on that site. He's legitimately talking like an old-timey movie villain. They're bolded and everything!

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Abd, if anything, has actually worsened his case by explicitly stating something that is not a cause of action in response to a motion to dismiss for failure to state cause of action. The published list of global bans is there so that people know to report instances of those editors popping up to th...

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Jake, respectfully, I think you're misunderstanding what a "cause of action" is. A "cause of action" is a legal term of art meaning the legal theory behind which a case is brought. For instance, if someone shoves an elderly man and that man wants to sue for the medical costs of his broken hip, their...

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Luckily for us, the contents of his lawsuit prove that he doesn't have any sense.

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Yes, it is completely unthinkable that the editor who has literally sued the WMF would run around the wiki posting legal threats.

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I read the filings. They're seeking a dismissal with prejudice, and it certainly looks like they'll get it.

BURob13

There will be no record. This won't even get to discovery.

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Am I like ... really missing something here in saying that this is just Lourdes telling a non-admin not to patrol a page that is explicitly to be patrolled by admins? There have been a couple times when I've had to tell well-meaning but misguided editors to stop trying to clerk pages where they lite...

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I honestly should link that post from my essay. Legitimately, what gives? We've worked together before. We're both on BAG. Have I wronged you in some way I'm not aware of to the point that you feel it is appropriate to attack my motivations? It's senseless personal attacks from people like you, peop...

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The only thing I disagree with in your characterization of the user essay is the "all but" part. I am done with Wikipedia after my term, and I think I was fairly clear on that in my essay. I never expected to run for ArbCom, because I largely stayed away from drama boards as an admin in favor of mai...

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Ignoring the analogy, I just want to point out that the description of game theory is very incorrect. You've described two types of repeated games and ignored static games entirely. You've ignored all games that are not constant-sum. I don't know exactly what you mean by "stable", since that isn't a...

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Jake, your reading of that clause is far more narrow than it actually is. The clause states that the editor is agreeing that they will file any legal claim against the WMF in California. There's no qualifications on what types of claims this applies to, so it should be taken to apply to all legal cl...

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Personally I think it's pretty hilarious that the WMF hired one of the most expensive law firms to represent them in this case and hired a lawyer rather than using their own. This both shows the lack of faith in their own counsel and it shows that they are taking the matter very seriously contrary ...

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This is going to get really fun to watch. I'm not too surprised the WMF went with Jones Day. They've sent work to them before.

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Guido made the claim that CheckUsers put false information on the CU wiki to trick other CUs into thinking two accounts are related when they're not. That's an absurd claim. There's no motivation for doing that, and even if there were, it would be very quickly caught. There's a very large differenc...

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All excellent points against an argument I didn't make. Incorrect CU blocks happen and are corrected on appeal. I've voted to overturn several during my tenure, often as a result of new information not available to the CU. Guido made the claim that CheckUsers put false information on the CU wiki to ...

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MysteriousStranger wrote:Some of those people, DSM issues or not (and I have a degree in psychology), are just bad human beings. A handful of pedos, guys like Grawp who make graphic threats of murder and rape.

Oddly, pretty sure Grawp is not on that list.

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