Wikipediocracy

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someone from Bluehost had taken out our entire IP "deny" list completely, no doubt thinking that it was having an adverse effect on performance. My hunch is this is what was causing all my problems. So many errors I was getting seemed related to "TOO MANY REQUESTS" complaints which I think could be...

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lonza leggiera wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:57 am
more likely to be a believer with a bee in his bonnet about the word "miracle" than he is to be an atheist.

Seems a reasonable supposition. Seminarian maybe.

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I do always wince at the word mythology. Although accurate, it does feel judgmental. Character too perhaps. Is that a common way for non-religious academia to refer to the Bible? It is absolutely the case that a common :deadhorse: argument on Wikipedia is whether derivatives of the word "myth" are ...

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To take a disputed article on Wikipedia, I don't see the issue with Lazarus of Bethany in broad strokes—it's clear where the stories are coming from, and doesn't present the idea that Lazarus was a real person or the miracle actually happened. Let's take that article, shall we? Lazarus of Bethany (...

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To take a disputed article on Wikipedia, I don't see the issue with Lazarus of Bethany in broad strokes—it's clear where the stories are coming from, and doesn't present the idea that Lazarus was a real person or the miracle actually happened. Let's take that article, shall we? Lazarus of Bethany (...

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The biggest obstacle to people "seeing the light" about atheism is that atheists tend to be as dogmatic and deeply unpleasant as the deeply pious. The cult of reason ain't any less of a cult. This kind of critique is one I don't find convincing -- at least when it comes to a claim of "atheistic dog...

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Ming really doesn't want to get into a philosophy wrestling match, but let us just agree to disagree as to who exactly the experts are. And Ming will also say that some of the most patently stupid things said about religion come out of the mouths of eminent scientists and especially popularizers. I...

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And really, it is possible even for nonbelievers to write about theology without editorializing about how it's all false. But that doesn't seem to be the way of things on FTN. They seem to have a bunch of atheists who are bent that theirs is, in reality, a minority faith. And it is possible for bel...

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Do you have any more advice for me? Should I try to appeal the ban, or simply abandon the thought of editing in Mormon topics? Some people in the ANI discussion suggested appealing the ban after a few months of "good behavior"... do you think that would actually work? I think you'll want to demonst...

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Crucially, there is scant evidence that Julian actually existed. "Martyr" implies that the person existed and was killed for their belief. DYK could have said "venerated as a martyr and a saint by the Catholic and Orthodox churches" easily. Or just got rid of the "Christian martyr" descriptor and l...

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his is not so much a matter of individual editors as a matter of widely shared (more or less) unconscious bias ... colliding with another highly influential bloc on Wikipedia (en.wiki, at least), those who regard calling out fringe beliefs as so important, they riddle articles with disclaimers and ...

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Presenting the Resurrection as a fact in wiki-voice would not be fringe insofar as the term applies to this board. It is neither provable nor disprovable. Again, we are dealing with the supernatural as a subject matter. link But the argument seems to be convincing to the wikipoloi: I also agree wit...

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Ad Orientem is an interesting Wikipedian. Longtime contributor since 2010, made admin in 2016. Userpage indicates some fondness for the kind of politics and philosophies that seem to be overrepresented on Wikipedia as compared to, say, those academic-types normally tasked with writing encyclopedias...

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I'm still getting loading times upwards of 30 seconds and the occasional error message. But it is better than what I was getting over the weekend.

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Go to timestamp 41m42s for an excoriation of Wikipedia's article on Mary Baker Eddy.

link to the timestamp.

I believe that Slim Virgin is to blame for the over-reliance on Gillian Gill in that Mary Baker Eddy (T-H-L) page.

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Vigilant wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:34 pm
Currently unusable.

What I have found is that the site cache is a problem. So if I hit an internal server error then I need to try to find a way to bypass the cache (like putting in a new URL rather than using any of the link assets on the previous page when using the back button).

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Here I thought this was going to be a thread about User:Ed Poor (T-C-L).

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I just checked to see how many signatures the petition has now (626). I scrolled down to see what kind of other petitions change.org has. I really wish I hadn't. :facepalm: Oh, you thought it only hosted serious petitions like this one? I was hoping this one was at the stupid end of the spectrum. N...

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Rob Palmer (Skeptical Inquirer): UFO Conspiracy on Wikipedia Claims:A Conversation with GSoW’s Susan Gerbic I am less impressed than may be expected to see Susan Gerbic interviewed by a leading member of the Guerrilla Skeptics and saying that the Guerrilla Skeptics are wonderful people and innocent...

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I think that saying "it beggars belief that one would claim such a thing" is not NPOV. It seems like it would be more neutral to say something like "orthodox adherents believe that...". I know you meant this in jest. But it's actually at the core of how we word information about other people's reli...

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I was puzzled about his criteria for when a source on the BoM is a RS or not. ARE some of these sources fringe? I made my own sourcing guidelines to help my students tell if a source is scholarly or not (there are many devotional sources that must be adequately explained or maybe not used). But app...

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I think that these days, the OCR on archive.org is good enough that I don't need to try to upload our scans to Wikisource as well and ask volunteers to do it. Redundancy in these things is always good to have, I have found. If archive.org were to go down for whatever reason, having a backup at anot...

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I think that these days, the OCR on archive.org is good enough that I don't need to try to upload our scans to Wikisource as well and ask volunteers to do it. Redundancy in these things is always good to have, I have found. If archive.org were to go down for whatever reason, having a backup at anot...

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Do you have any serious suggestions for what I should do now? I've been thinking of putting together some best practices for WiRs editing Wikipedia so other people in my position can know what the community expectations are. :welcome: My suggestion is stay away from article writing entirely. Instea...

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Wikiguy.DC wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:54 pm
FWIW Moneytrees said the Luke Olson account was a "Joe Job" by someone trying to troll the discussion, which seemed kind of obvious to me without the checkuser data

I must be too close to this because it did not occur to me. Go LULZ.

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Further canvassing and meatpuppetry concerns Luke_Olson_(BYU) ... his talk page is a hoot. Yeah. I'd still like to know how Wikipedia was going to 'cancel' a library. Does it work like levitating the Pentagon? I would love to see the discussion on that Discord server. Maybe someone will archive it ...

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ARBCOM really should come down with a remedy that states, "LDS connected editors may not edit LDS connected articles, broadly construed." One thing we're seeing here is part of the way Mormons have been so effective in areas like business or Multi-level Marketing Pyramid Schemes. They are all conne...

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Normally I would throw this in the autobiographers thread, but since the usual crew of BYU-sponsored editors are involved, I'll leave it here instead. Lehinicholes is Charle N. Holmberg , author. GODDAMNIT, GIRAFFE STAPLER! If you keep stapling new reports to the file, eventually, we're going to ha...

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It's interesting that you called the ideology neocommunist. I think it's closer to anarcho-capitalist/libertarian. The neocommunists were there first. A large portion, possibly even a majority, of the community in the first couple of years were left-wing academic types, many of them communalists or...

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The current COI guidance is the correct path. You cannot survive as a supposedly neutral reference work if you treat COI as merely a matter of effect not appearances. I think several problems are coming home to roost now. Matters of top level leadership, the pipeline of Admin renewal, the closed na...

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rnu wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:27 pm
- Ocaasi (T-C-L) who doesn't address any of the concerns.

Doesn't Occasi fall into the WIR-WMF-GLAM-COI-PAID EDITING IS COOL conflicted camp?

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TIL Step 9 is not Step 12. Wtf is Step 12?! I'm glad you asked! 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. AA is absolute woo. By the way. I thought that was well-known. Nahh. ...

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TIL Step 9 is not Step 12. Wtf is Step 12?! I'm glad you asked! 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. AA is absolute woo. By the way. I thought that was well-known. Nahh. ...

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Kraken wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:10 pm
TIL Step 9 is not Step 12.

Wtf is Step 12?!

I'm glad you asked!

the Cult of AA wrote:12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

AA is absolute woo. By the way. I thought that was well-known.

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Konveyor Belt wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 16, 2024 1:07 pm
Out of curiosity I googled "buy Wikipedia account" and immediately fell down a rabbithole.

I encourage you start a new thread to show off this excellent investigation. More people would benefit from seeing this.

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rnu wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:25 am
Did I miss someone or something important?

P-Makoto's connection to AML

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Awww... but you gotta give her the chance to do the restitution and reconciliation. Step 9 of AA and lovingly incorporated into official church doctrine : From the perspective of the other people involved, Step 9 is not always a good thing. Sometimes it's better to allow people to quietly move on w...

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tl;dr: The person who made this mess is best qualified to clean it up. :facepalm: Awww... but you gotta give her the chance to do the restitution and reconciliation. Step 9 of AA and lovingly incorporated into official church doctrine : Like the repentant sons of Mosiah who went about “zealously st...

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Today I've been struggling to figure out why all the Mormons on Wikipdedia are insisting on treating the Book of Mormon as a creative work or worthy of literary analysis. It's pretty wild: like do you really want people to do a close reading of a pretty shitty biblical fan fiction from 1830? Then I ...

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I'm genuinely getting the vibes we're starting to see the beginning of a wikipedia controversy for the ages that will make what was uncovered in the initial nihonjoe blogpost look like playground gossip It might be rising to the level where it garners press interest, with a "Mormon infiltration of ...

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Hell, someone told me privately that since Heidi is doing her job right now that she might consider reporting me to HR. I’m confused - report you to what HR? BYU’s? Are you an BYU employee or Mormon? If not I don’t see what they can do about you. Take away your birthday? It was something along the ...

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One thing that seems to have united people from across the divide is that they really didn't like my line of inquiry. I say, "I'm worried about you because editing Wikipedia could run you afoul of your school's restrictive honor code" and I'm being paternalistic. I say, "what if you weren't a goody ...

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Just so y'all are aware, I experienced this 30-minute redirect loop about five times yesterday. It resolved itself most of the time and turned into a Bad Gateway error one time.

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Does anyone here know whether enwiki could just decide that they don't want a WiR or GLAM cooperation with BYU? Or is that something the WMF decides? I don't think even WMF decides. This is all stuff that is organized by the hosting institution and liaisons. Well, actually I haven't looked into the...

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There is some risk that by conflating different issues the waters are muddied to a point where the problems are not as obvious as they should be. There are at least three issues at play: 1. Is the editing done by the BYU editors in compliance to the rules for WiR, GLAM, COI and PAID? 2. Should ther...

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rnu wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:19 pm
Question of the day: is WhatamIdoing (T-C-L) playing dumb or just dumb?

If I had to guess, she along with Andy Mabbett are running defense for the sake of GLAM-itude.

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That Village Pump discussion seems to be sliding into a shouting match about LDS beliefs. That is not at all why I started this thread. Sorry not sorry. I understand your interest and approach. To be sure, it's probably a better one in terms of effective WikiPolitics. What piqued my interest was th...

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As for HEB? Kick him out -- make Wikipedia a slightly less horrible place. I think this advice may be a bit like saying we should disable the smoke detector because it keeps going off when the house is on fire. HEB is abrasive, rude, and gets away with certain behaviors that run right up against th...

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If the LDS Wikipedia in Residence/GLAM/edit-a-thon Wikipedia pages are allowed to be kept and promoted, I am going to suggest that the Church of Scientology set up a similar program. What could go wrong? It seems pretty obvious to me that the coordinator, whose full-time job is to run this project, ...

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So are you trying to imply it is me ? I thought we established who the person was with reference to the ArbComm case. Well, I said "a lot of editors," so it stands to reason that it would be more than one. I was just pointing out that despite saying removing synth "is on the balance the right thing...

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