Wikipediocracy

Volunteer Marek

Some of these, like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/%D7%93%D7%95%D7%91&target=%D7%93%D7%95%D7%91&dir=prev look more like straight up sleeper socks rather than meat puppets. Which makes sense. If you're hell bent on getting your message through why not pursue...

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... Tommy was definitely Icewhiz, right? I don't think so. Completely different style of expressing themselves in a way that can't be easily faked. Tommy was Kaiser von Europa: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=Kaiser+von+Europa&namespace=all&tagfilter=&start...

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Either way, I'd love to hear the explanation as to why that edit was made with that edit-summary shortly after an email was sent out requesting it. I thought one of them (possibly Mr. Melech himself?) already stated he was worried the request was coming from an Israeli military (or whatever) offici...

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Midsize Jake wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:07 pm

Volunteer Marek wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:53 pm
Basically Sandstein with less personality.
So... you're basically saying he has less than zero personality?

Seems harsh.

I said what I said

Volunteer Marek

You are factually incorrect. No less than 2 weeks ago a Nableezy/Andrevan thread was at [[WP:AE]] for five and a half days, and nobody other than SFR commented on the substance. And currently there's an I/P request that has one other (one of those I think is more qualified) admin participating. And...

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People are over thinking this. SFR just likes banning people. That's it. And if you like banning people you go to where the bans are cheapest - "contentious topics" - where it's easy to manufacture a pretext to indulge your hall-monitor fantasies. It's not like the guy does anything actually useful...

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SFR has recall conditions posted on his user page. Why don't you go do something about it? Name three admins who made themselves available for recall that actually followed through on that promise. I actually can't think of single one, all I can ... recall, is several that were called to recall who...

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People are over thinking this. SFR just likes banning people. That's it. And if you like banning people you go to where the bans are cheapest - "contentious topics" - where it's easy to manufacture a pretext to indulge your hall-monitor fantasies. It's not like the guy does anything actually useful ...

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Zoll wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:04 pm

Nableezys' edits are indeed milquetoast when compared to Volunteer Mareks rich history.

Hey there Kaiser/Tommy/etc. Still trying to carry water for Icewhiz I see.

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rnu wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:46 am
Here comes the asshole brigade fighting for the right to incivility:

Your definition of "incivility" is that of a marmish 1st grade teacher. Grow the fuck up.

Volunteer Marek

My voting guide:

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I'll confirm it wasn't Guerillero. I didn't respond to Bezdomni's initial comment because it was obvious to me he was fishing/trolling/harassing as usual and as such I make it a point of not replying unless it can't be helped. Oh now they've suspended Beeblebrox for breaking the omerta, would you c...

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During the case I inquired of asked some of the other Arbs of what they thought of Wugapodes’ behavior. Privately, they told me that they had concerns as well and that I should raise them. Odd that Arbs were communicating "unabashedly" with the defendant in private about the "behavior" of one of th...

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I wasn’t going to comment on this election because first, I’m don’t think a single opinion can actually sway the results much and second, because up until recently the standing candidates were all in my view pretty good, or at least not too objectionable. But since Wugapodes has decided to stand for...

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Obviously too early to say for sure before the Q&A, but I'll probably end up supporting him. He doesn't strike me as someone who's publicly opinionated and I've never seen him close a contentious noticeboard thread, but he's been a reliable arb clerk and is very good at helping out/dealing with ine...

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BTW that 1963 John Armstrong source is notorious, among people familiar with the topic, for being just straight up apologia and white washing of the extremist Ukrainian nationalist movement (I generally think it important to differentiate between the fascist and fascist-adjacent extreme nationalists...

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In a kind of ironic way, precisely because they were *more extreme* the Bandera people collaborated *less* or at least more indirectly, than the Melnyk people. The fact that the Germans arrested Bandera may have been a factor. I'd say that thinking that the Nazis would just accept the attempt to cr...

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Regarding the history stuff, the Galitzien SS Division was NOT involved in the Massacres of Poles in Volhynia. Or in the Holocaust for that matter, at least not as a unit - there probably were bunch of individuals in it that participated in the Holocaust as members of OTHER collaborationist units pr...

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Faustian wasn't in the EEML and this doesn't really have any connections to EEML aside from 1) it's Eastern Europe related and 2) Faustian - the editor who added the sentence about absence of Nazi indoctrination - has been involved in several disputes against Polish editors on Polish/Ukrainian histo...

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I feel like it was worse when I first started out on the project.. Admins for sure used to do the old "circle the wagons" shtick pretty badly. I think that among most admins now there is more of an attitiude of not wanting bad actors in the midst and policing the admin corps by admins. Nearly every...

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<snip>Wikipedia sourcing policies are overly lenient, especially in heated topics such as Jews in Eastern Europe <snip> That topic area has the strictest sourcing requirements on Wikipedia. And it has had them for awhile now. The idea that the problem in this topic area is weak sourcing is one of t...

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How long would the 'single policy' last, before everyone became convinced that it needed adding to? That's where they all came from in the first place. Rules aren't the problem. They are a symptom of the problem. If there is actually a 'problem' at all, which from a social science perspective is a ...

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Going back to the topic of this thread ... I believe that one of the problems with Wikipedia policies is the election of administrators for indefinite terms. Fixed terms, like 5 years, could regularly evaluate their performance as administrators and decide whether they should continue in their posi...

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Zoll how do you feel about incels? wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:24 pm
<snip>
I've not really edited these controversial topics, but have been an observer for a long time, since the EE mailing list case in 09.
<snip>

*cough*BULLSHIT*cough*

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With the only decline vote so far switching to accept, this looks pretty clearly headed for a full case. The flak Paul August got for his attempt to enforce the civility probation (notwithstanding his silly, overly literal rationale for thinking he was unable to lift his own block) confirms that th...

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I've noted in the past that for a long while, you had a free pass to be a jackass on en.wp if you were really good at content creation. I don't think I've said it here, but I have observed it has also been historically true you had a free pass to be a jackass in arguments if your arguments were cor...

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Feels like the usual case of "if you spent another five minutes rethinking what you're typing, you'd be fine", I'd say. The line between "uncivil attack" and "calling a spade a spade" can be porous, but you really can't just call someone a liar and wrap it up in an imperious tone and expect it to g...

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Not trying to be pushy here, but since the article was published later, how did you find out about the journalistic investigation? When the Italians blocked me, I made contact with a person who is not a Wikipedia editor. This person's name is of course personal information and I don't want to share...

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However, on 31 May, as soon as I heard about Hypergio's COI and the journalistic investigation about it

Not trying to be pushy here, but since the article was published later, how did you find out about the journalistic investigation?

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I hesitate to express, or even have, an opinion on this matter due to my past history with Gitz and my innate distrust of both admins and subject here but superficially what's striking how this case is almost the polar opposite of the approach to UCOC the en ArbCom took in the Holocaust in Poland c...

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Over in the comments on the Signpost article, Italian admins responsible for their project being such a farce are whining about being criticised by a bigger project. If their project didn't block those who tried to fix blatant BLV-violations, then it wouldn't be being criticised either here or on e...

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Malik Shabazz (T-C-L)

One of the best blocked by one of the worst (no, not El_C, that was just subsequent fallout). Also I got my first block because of Malik so he'll always have a special place in my heart.

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As far as "off topic" goes - yup. You can thank Sashi/Bezdomni for once again derailing a thread with his personal creepy obsessions and vendettas. Seriously, can't we just make a separate topic for him where he can whine about how awful it is that there are Polish editors editing Poland related art...

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Here is the actual court ruling https://www.saos.org.pl/judgments/436796 It's all in Polish, and worse, it's in Polish legalese, but regardless, the relevant laws are listed in the side bar. In particular, the lawsuit and the ruling are based on: "Ustawa z dnia 23 kwietnia 1964 r. - Kodeks cywilny ...

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BTW the OC article keeps talking about how Levivich got banned from the topic... I don't know if he fed them that line of bullshit or if they are just THAT crappy Edit: Also, Grzegorz Braun, the far right guy who disrupted Grabowski's lecture at the German institute, is a member of the "Confederatio...

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Meanwhile, in Poland: today , earlier this month . On my watchlist, I noticed Piotrus was back to removing info about the effects of the modification in the Holocaust Law (allowing civil suits) from entries under bogus pretexts again recently. The article cited does very clearly mention how the Hol...

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Since people are now talking about it on Wikipedia I will say one thing: the 100% bullshit ruling in the case was the topic ban for MVBW. Doesn't edit topic area much. No evidence of wrong doing in topic area. Came out of the blue. Yeah... it was totally a "you're annoying us too much so fuck you lo...

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I think this is the comment I agree with the most in the whole thread; with the T&S report, I saw it as signifying the topic area was due for an escalation and big-time arbcase within 365 days, and out of all the "escalating events" available, I would rather have this than something like a divisive...

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After the dust settles on the ARBCOM case, I suggest closing this topic. Think that's that. And just like that, the Holocaust in Poland would never again be an issue on Wikipedia. Now that it's over though, and maybe VM keeps playing it smart and not giving the people of Wikipedia another in to try...

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Arishok wrote: ↑
Fri May 12, 2023 1:35 am
I do think denying socking was important. Other arbs have expressed skepticism of the VM socking claim from Wug and I agree with them; it’s a weak allegation.

It's not just weak. It's completely preposterous.

Volunteer Marek

Surprised by no Gitz/VM IBan proposal but not much surprised by anything else. I think it’s more likely than not that the VM siteban passes after Wug’s broadside. Id say VM is making that more likely with the back and forth with Wug's on the talk page. Though I really dislike a "judge" actively arg...

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What common interest explains Jacurek's and Piotrus's overlapping AFD votes? Hey, did you ever provide any evidence for the claim that you were accused of being an Icewhiz sock, or just slunk away and hope nobody noticed that you were full of it? Anyway, *this* is actually why these things always t...

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Editor Interaction Tool is good for three things 1) sniffing out socks 2) figuring out why some creep is following you around and inserting themselves into every discussion you're part of ("ohhhh, I reverted them four years ago on this entirely unrelated article and they still salty about it") 3) qu...

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Oh, bullshit Mr "I just joined WPO to follow this case". Oh, is this where you accuse me of being Icewhiz? I've been waiting for that to happen. Seems to be your standard play. Nope, this is where I accuse you of being another loser trolling opportunistically. I swear, for every account that I (cor...

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... some kind of super suspicious conspiracy theory that the 4 who are still around still edit... same topic? This is why nobody takes this "EEML! EEML!" crap seriously ... . Five minutes with the editor interaction tool will show that some of those 4 clearly still edit in concert. Though, with the...

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pocket EEML translator That's what struck me so much through this case. It's been the same users through the years. The accusations in the paper include coordinating to just wear down editors, and here they are in the case, tag teaming walls of text to just beat the will to live out of people, circ...

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There's also another part to the whole "they have social capital" claim. It's also rhetorical. If you're spinning tales and telling porky pies you still have to make the pieces fit together or else it's not credible. Plug in the plot holes. Klein and Grabowski are running around claiming that these ...

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Anyhoo, I know they have to ratchet all this up and use a certain amount of hyperbole to get people interested (or to remain interested), but they keep using these phrases like "fantastical," "wildly inflating," and "whitewash," so that increasingly it doesn't seem like they're doing this as academ...

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Ok, maybe it was more obvious to me than others. But the only things notable about that Tulsi Gabbard BLPN discussion are that 1) it is completely unrelated to the topic area (so why add it?) but 2) it has A LOT of Sashi/Bezdomni in it (ahhhhh!) Ehh, if you're saying I should have noticed that Mr. ...

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Looks like Horse added it just so that if someone replied to it and mentioned Bezdomni that would give Bezdomni a reason to get to participate in the case ("they're talking about me! You got to let me post!") which we know they've been really really really itching to do, but can't due to like fifty...

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