Wikipediocracy

Boing! said Zebedee

Slight diversion, but there is something funny about it... there is a 'Last activity' field in a members' profile. But it doesn't seem visible all the time. For example, in Randy and Tarantino's profiles, it is blank (to me anyway): 'Last active: - '. but e.g. Anroth says 'Last active: Tue Apr 09, ...

Boing! said Zebedee

Here's an interesting thing. Two of HJ Mitchell's posts were removed. curprev 21:50, 3 April 2024‎ HJ Mitchell talk contribs‎ 37,140 bytes +659‎ →‎Nihonjoe's conflicts of interests: vote curprev 21:41, 3 April 2024‎ HJ Mitchell talk contribs‎ 36,481 bytes +2,091‎ →‎Proposed principles: votes They w...

Boing! said Zebedee

I don't think there's innately an issue with handling things in-house, but Wikipedia understandably isn't set up for a bureaucracy that would make that function effectively. Indeed. And a key to successfully running full in-house governance is to listen when outside observers point out things that ...

Boing! said Zebedee

Yes! ...This is just the latest in a long series of situations where it took outside, public pressure for the Committee or functionaries to take corrective action, from Laura Hale to Qworty to Tenebrae. Fundamentally if Wikipedians are expected to abide by OUTING without regard to the fact that COI...

Boing! said Zebedee

The other problem is that there's no quantitative way to determine the value of a Wikipedia account... Someone was offering 1/10th Bitcoin for the password to my admin account a few years ago (which got back to me via a trusted functionary, to check I had a strong password and used 2FA). Whether th...

Boing! said Zebedee

Much as I can sympathise with his frustration, there's nothing stopping Fram sending all that information to ArbCom by email without being limited by outing policy. This is true, he could have done that, but he wouldn't have, because he wouldn't known to look for it. It's not like ArbCom sent out a...

Boing! said Zebedee

Fram has posted on the evidence page in the Arbcom case. I will post the first part here since I'm going to reference it. Things we can't discuss It is rather ridiculous that we still have to pretend that Nihonjoe's real life identity is off-limits here, making it much harder to have a practical di...

Boing! said Zebedee

Elinruby wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:18 am

Boing! said Zebedee wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:11 am

From my support days...

"Now press Return"

"OK, R, E, T..."
You haven't lived until you've explained binary math over the phone

I bow my head in respect to anyone attempting such a task.

Boing! said Zebedee

Zoloft wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:51 am

Elinruby wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:55 pm

Ca$hBag wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:38 pm

rnu wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 09, 2024 6:31 pm
Do you get an error message?
That's exactly what i got.
(Patiently) what does the error message say exactly? I am sorry you are having all this trouble
oh gawd helpdesk flashback *takes an Ativan*

From my support days...

"Now press Return"

"OK, R, E, T..."

Boing! said Zebedee

AndyTheGrump wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:22 am
Given the vague definitions of the word 'micronation' that seem to be in circulation, why not both? 'Micronation' as a term doesn't really mean anything much anyway: basically, they exist as soon as someone imagines that they do...

Imagination?

Boing! said Zebedee

Ryuichi wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:52 am
Lower the bar to entry &/or set some objective criteria.

Make RfA less of a political shartfest.

And once we've worked out a way to achieve that, we can move on to curing the world of all known diseases, etc...

Boing! said Zebedee

Elinruby wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:26 am

Ron Lybonly wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:21 am

Kraken wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:08 am
Props to Wikipediocracy and the fetid basement dwellers that reside here more like.
Good idea for a User Name
Too long. But it would be a great punk band

Too obvious for a punk band... maybe a kids' TV series?

Boing! said Zebedee

Konveyor Belt wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:56 am
With the size of the internet today I daresay you could get 500 people to agree on just about anything.

No you couldn't

Boing! said Zebedee

Giraffe Stapler wrote: ↑
Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:17 pm
I don't know what "axiomatic" means, but I'm going to guess from context that it refers to a pointless argument with someone who hasn't read all of the posts in this thread.

Axiomatic means self-evident.

Boing! said Zebedee

"The sum of all human knowledge" is a marketing phrase, as is "The encyclopedia anyone can edit". Noone should take (and should never have taken) either of them literally.

Boing! said Zebedee

I'd like to think there is a parallel universe somewhere where the 'Wikipedia' equivalent insisted from the start on registration as a verifiable, named 'real world' person. Would it be better? I'd guess so, but I can't say for sure. It would certainly be very different. I wasn't on the Internet wh...

Boing! said Zebedee

LTAs and socks can also potentially go on an "outing spree" that can't be stopped except by oversighters... not a problem, assuming there are enough oversighters that one of them promptly deals with it. Ordinary admins can rev del as a first step, and it can often take some time to actually get an ...

Boing! said Zebedee

LTAs and socks can also potentially go on an "outing spree" that can't be stopped except by oversighters... not a problem, assuming there are enough oversighters that one of them promptly deals with it. Ordinary admins can rev-delete as a first step, and it can often take some time to actually get ...

Boing! said Zebedee

" Take the ability to block extended-confirmed users out of the standard toolset. Kick that upstairs to a new committee – the English Wikipedia chapter of Universal Code of Conduct enforcement. " So someone could register, behave themselves until they get extended confirmed (as many LTAs and socks d...

Boing! said Zebedee

There is now a central page for reviewing the RFA process: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review Currently five proposals are open for discussion: Proposal 2: Add a reminder of civility norms at RfA, initiated by HouseBlaster Proposal 3: Add three days of discussion before voting (trial), in...

Boing! said Zebedee

glad I popped in while it was still open to add my oppose for Vituzzu. If I had a say in it, I'd also vote to remove all the other Italian admins who had any part in the Gitz affair. You misplaced it, after the "<section end="comments" />" line, so it doesn't show when it's transcluded (and I can't...

Boing! said Zebedee

Surprised nobody has mention Cullen328. It would be an interesting re-RfA—establishing community approval for admins advertising their services as paid advisors (or not)—which is why it will never happen. :nope: That's an interesting one. For years, we've heard about all the problems with organisat...

Boing! said Zebedee

Off the top of my head..... * I told Rschen7754 to fuck off. * I wrote "I silently cheer from the sidelines when Wikipediocracy fires both barrels at an admin doing silly things, that's good enough for me" which was criticised at the RfA. Nowadays I cheer somewhat less silently. * I hadn't pissed o...

Boing! said Zebedee

I guess I could still ask for my admin bit back (which I have no intention of doing), but if I ran for RfA again I'm sure I wouldn't pass now. I'm too jaded these days, too critical, spend too much time at criticism sites, and my recent activity has been very low.

Boing! said Zebedee

Other than the involved parties and the Arbs, I count statements from 32 other people so far. They're mostly saying similar things to each other, and few are contributing anything that the Arbs don't already know or can't clearly see for themselves. And a lot of it is just general thoughts and opini...

Boing! said Zebedee

Sucks is back up. I checked yesterday evening and today, and all I get is a 403 error. Did they block your IP? Not as far as I know, at least it wasn't blocked immediately prior to the site going down. I suppose it might be a UK IP thing, if the site's not set up properly.* *Just checked with a VPN...

Boing! said Zebedee

rnu wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:45 pm
Sucks is back up.

I checked yesterday evening and today, and all I get is a 403 error.

Boing! said Zebedee

Unfortunately I had some fallouts with the Bbb23sucks guy because of difference of opinions regarding the Oct 7 terrorist attacks. Are you sure your fallouts at Sucks are nothing to do with the huge great tissues of lies you tried to spin over there, just like you did here, and at Wikipedia for yea...

Boing! said Zebedee

When you receive an email you get a notification which I also assume is logged somewhere and can be checked. I don't think you do, unless someone manually puts the "ygm" template on your talk page. The MediaWiki software can tell who an email was sent to, but surely can't tell if it was received. h...

Boing! said Zebedee

MrErnie wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:55 pm
When you receive an email you get a notification which I also assume is logged somewhere and can be checked.

I don't think you do, unless someone manually puts the "ygm" template on your talk page.

The MediaWiki software can tell who an email was sent to, but surely can't tell if it was received.

Boing! said Zebedee

Which is where I come down on the other side. Unless the subject of the biography is (in)famous, they should have the ability to easily opt-out. Yep, I'm on that side of it too. Unless it's someone who clearly needs to be included in an encyclopedia through public fame, individuals should have a wa...

Boing! said Zebedee

Hm, looks like that's how it happened, thanks Boing. I'm sure there's nothing vitally important in those diffs, but if I were in the candidate's shoes, I'd probably want my "reinstatement to teh communitah" to be part of the public record. Of course, the RfA is doomed either way. Yes, I think I'd w...

Boing! said Zebedee

From what I can tell, the successful unblock request also isn't archived anywhere. The " 11:20, 4 January 2019 ‎" revision, says " Removing old messages ", and I'm guessing that included the unblock request. So it wasn't archived manually, and was already gone by the time automatic archiving was se...

Boing! said Zebedee

Considering there's a clear consensus emerging that the username is a bad choice, why not just say "OK, I'll change it"?

Boing! said Zebedee

It's a really common name in the US, so the prior odds of it being used on any animal (including a hawk) without thinking about the "joke" aren't especially low. I'm sure there are thousands of animals named "Mike" or some variant thereof in the US. Someone naming a hawk "York" on the other hand is...

Boing! said Zebedee

rnu wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:21 pm
As long as we can all agree that (the sandwich version of) the Doner kebab (T-H-L) is German we're fine and no-one has to die.

And deep-fried Doner Kebab is Scottish!

Boing! said Zebedee

User Jennsaurus made allegations about serious past misbehavior. No evidence offered, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they were true. User Jennsaurus is OberRanks, one of Wikipedia's worst ever liars and fantasists - booted out for massive fabrication of content and sources, stretching back more...

Boing! said Zebedee

Well, it took hard work from a number of people, but he was finally persuaded to drop it. (Apologies if I helped spoil the entertainment.)

Boing! said Zebedee

C&B wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:21 pm
It's going to happen...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... ip/GoodDay

Wow, and that's after some very candid and blunt advice on their talk page. It's going to be painful to watch.

Boing! said Zebedee

Vigilant wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:10 pm
Nicholas Rossi: US fugitive loses appeal over extradition

It's shocking that it's taken *two years* to get this far. It should just have been - fingerprints, DNA test, send him home.

Boing! said Zebedee

Billions of people use windows, millions in Germany alone. It's not some niche OS. I fail to understand how using the same the operating system as a sock could be used to match me with him. Not that one, or any other, specific thing, no. That's what I've been trying to get over to you all along, bu...

Boing! said Zebedee

Kaiser Geographic location: https://spi-tools.toolforge.org/spi/ip-analysis/Kaiser%20von%20Europa/ I'd made it pretty clear from very early on that I'm from Hessen, not Berlin. I have no idea what a subnet is, though even I were a sock, I'd probably changed my internet provider at least once in the...

Boing! said Zebedee

A bit late, but: If the licence plate numbers don't match, then what has CU even proven? Then the entire case will be based on matching description, for example both of them smuggle drugs and look alike. But at that point, the admins must also review my rebuttals to the descriptions, and answer the...

Boing! said Zebedee

Well, nothing whatsoever wrong with that obsession. There are two ways to handle it, though:by learning and thinking, or by repeating the simple fact of your inherent rightness to yourself and anyone cursed to have to listen. The latter is big on Wikipedia, last I saw. It's actually quite big with ...

Boing! said Zebedee

Zoll, there is literally nothing you can say that will convince admins or checkusers that you aren’t/weren’t a sock. I know that because I’m not buying it and I don’t have access to CU data. +1 from me too. I hinted above that there are reasons I might not believe the story, but I don't want to go ...

Boing! said Zebedee

But the registration office has a list of cars and their licence plates I've ever driven. Sigh, the perils of analogy (and they don't have a list of all the cars you've ever driven - like friends' cars, stolen cars, etc - but never mind that.) CheckUser *does not* have a list of all the IPs you, th...

Boing! said Zebedee

...and then comparing it to Kaisers will reveal the truth. I really don't understand how you can think that - but please just accept that it's not your way out. If they have his IP, how can't it be the way out? Let me suggest an analogy... " But officer, you know the number of the car that was used...

Boing! said Zebedee

Zoll wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 05, 2023 4:05 pm
...and then comparing it to Kaisers will reveal the truth.

I really don't understand how you can think that - but please just accept that it's not your way out.

Boing! said Zebedee

Isn't appealing to ArbCom an option? If you mean to plead innocence, see option 1. Also, they refused me a second CU check, because it wasn't de jure a CU block, but it seems like there's a de facto rule that no admin should unblock users who've been CU confirmed. A second CU would only show the sa...

Boing! said Zebedee

PS: Whatever you choose, I would recommend you forget approaches along the lines of " Also why would xxx get banned and years later decide to create another account randomly, even when he could've taken the standard offer a long time ago...? " In the years I've been there, I've seen people doing exa...

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