Wikipediocracy

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Dun be going anywhere. While I often disagree, I'd rather you than anyone likely to fill your place. There's firmly left wing feminism and then there's batshit insane libertarian feminism and the "I wear a belt of penes and carry a knife to perform running repairs" feminism. I vote the first, pleas...

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Zoloft wrote:Well, I'll see if the account you're all thinking about is making any decent posts in accordance with the goal of this site: criticizing Wikipedia.

It's okay Zoloft. I haven't really been contributing much recently anyway. Sorry about this. Take it easy everyone.

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Again, more name calling. Name calling is just used by people who just want to shut down debate and declare themselves the victor. Why don't you actually try to counter what I say? FYI, what I posted is what the FBI tells someone receiving harassment to do. Letting everyone know that you're being h...

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Psychological abuse? She started this whole mess of "harassment" against herself by false flagging the harassment against herself in the first place! She's using said "harassment" to play the victim to have sympathy from idiots. Same reason the other "harassed" women in this mess threw themselves i...

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Violence? Some trolls posting images that she herself let out all over the internet is "violent?" They aren't beaning her over the head with a baseball bat! They're just some simpleton internet trolls. Again, this isn't the first time (or probably the last time) she has played the victim. No, I can...

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She was paid for those pictures by some shitty soft-core porn company. They were already all over the internet before hand. You make it sound as if she was hacked and they were spread online by some hackers. They were spread online by those who bought those images. Go fuck yourself you creep. There...

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I'm not ignoring anything. The article goes on and on and on and on about the abuses connected with the Gamergate hashtag. There is an underlying movement that has not been adequately accounted for. I am saying this: in absence of balanced coverage of the broader Gamergate agenda in the mainstream ...

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This extract from an interview in Psychology Today pretty much sums up how little he and his kind understand sexual assault. Marty Nemko : What are your thoughts about the current focus on campus rape? Warren Farrell : The issue first should be addressed before kids get to college. For example, we m...

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That's a false equivalence if I've ever seen one. That "underlying premise" is irrelevant, really; even if we assume these allegations are true, how does that excuse (or even explain) the abuse she and others have been getting relentlessly? This isn't a case of chickens coming home to roost. This i...

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That doesn't change the underlying premise that Quinn's a bit of a douchebag in her life and has used sex to get ahead. There is still no evidence that she did use sex to get ahead? None of the guys who she supposedly slept with actually written positive reviews. One described her video game in ano...

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Thanks for posting that. I was about to put up a link to that post before you put it up there. It's okay, I'm sick of people trying to rationalise these things. There was never really any leg for GamerGate to stand on, it's no more moral than the "Fappening" or any of the other sordid things that s...

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Seems some people are using this to shill for their edit-a-thon . A lot of unfortunate word choice as well such as talking about Wikipedia editing being on the "feminist agenda" and talking about how their next project will be "even more disruptive than the last" one. Was the last one that disrupti...

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Randy from Boise wrote: Gamergate won't get a 1/4 fair shake at WP until they start getting fair coverage in the mainstream media. I'm not holding my breath.

What specifically is unfair about the current coverage? What kind of coverage would you like GamerGate to have received instead? I am genuinely interested.

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Because certain types of people will always look for a way to make themselves feel above others. And I'm well aware that the allegations about Quinn were thrown around constantly; that's not my point. My point is that people on both sides of the debate discredited that particular claim - including ...

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With regards to transgender issues, a lot of it comes down to people believing that being transgender is somehow "wrong" based on religious reasons, much like homosexuality. With regards to Quinn, those allegations were never actually made by her ex-boyfriend directly in the first place, at least n...

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Mark Bernstein clearly seeded the wildly one-sided news story based on his blog to The Guardian. Someone pointed out to me that the same Guardian employee ran with a wildly one-sided take on the Private Manning Case at Arbcom, advancing the predictable thesis that one's gender is what they say it i...

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Notvelty wrote: I'm sorry, who were you talking about here?

Anti-feminists.

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Easy to mansplain: 1. Feminist contributors on WP end up spending a lot of time and energy combating stupidity. 2. Combating stupidity on the interwebs for any sustained period will inevitably cause a person to become less-than-civil. 3. Sane and rational feminists who might want to contribute to W...

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That is seriously disturbing. Will there now be a conspiracy-theorist subculture revolving around Sarkeesian, leading to her eventual assassination by a pathetic fat gamer dude? There has been one going for years, that's actually a pretty good way to describe GamerGate. If you go onto one of their ...

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Not many people care about talk pages; the average Wikipedia reader probably never looks at them. It's the main article that matters. The YouTube analogy would be that any editor can alter the video itself (which would be great fun). That idea reminds me of the comments that you can add at a certai...

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Did anyone ever receive any of these grants? According to the schedule in the blog post about this, this month is when the first round were going to be awarded. I was asked to take part but there were some complications. I still wrote the article though and was happy to help the project in that reg...

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Did anyone ever receive any of these grants? According to the schedule in the blog post about this, this month is when the first round were going to be awarded. I was asked to take part but there were some complications. I still wrote the article though and was happy to help the project in that reg...

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The http://wikipediocracy.com/2012/11/14/gender-bending-wikipedia/,Gender, Bending Wikipedia -blog shows very much the same process, in another area (British murderers, by gender). Each and every fact by themselves might be correct, but by putting emphasis on one area (=female murderers) and not an...

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This reminds me of the subtly biased editing of Shakehandsman . Is it against Wikipedias rules to focus heavily on a fringe topic? Not as far as I know. If there are numerous articles written that focus on the murders of Israelis by Arabs, but few on Israelis murdered by other Israelis, should we bl...

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Without a doubt. But this particular one seems a bit of a weak argument for the point. Sans the riots, one court case (or not) about a police shooting is hardly a world event. Ad the riots and it is, but my understanding of what I read was that the opposes came directly after the court decision, bu...

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I was referring to two columns I saw recently. This one in which Jake Adelstein says "Though the jury may be out on which is more pathetic — the men giving the courses or the men taking the courses — the latter continue to produce enough revenue to keep men like Blanc employed." Also, this one , by...

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The sources that Google suggests that are lower than their top suggestion of Wikipedia are often better and more informative than what Wikipedia provides. Does that leave anyone else steamed? Google and Wikipedia offer a service that is very easy to use but full of misinformation. There are plenty ...

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I don't think it's necessary for men to pay large sums of money for "dating boot camps" like RSD, when they can just buy a few books and start following their advice. It's not necessary to even buy books written by "PUA" champs (although, IMO, some of the books, like Strauss' Rules of the Game , do...

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You don't think there is a neutral middle-ground? I think it is possible to write an article in a way that appears not to take a side on any particular issue. Possibly, although I think to take said middle-ground, you would have to blame the immense amount of personal harassment directly to GamerGa...

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And Tutelary is trying to marginalize particular voices ("!votes") , because apparently, whether or not a contributor has a registered account or not is more important than what that contributor is saying. People who are more comfortable posting as anons aren't respected by Wikipedians. Should Tute...

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People in general, men and women both, can be very manipulative. Believe me, I have some stories. In my experience, both sexes can be equally manipulative. That's part of life. However, I personally don't think sexual attraction can be "manipulated" from women. I agree with that, I have been manipu...

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I'm having a hard time believing that a ' dating coach ' (that's a thing, really?) would include rape or sexual assault as a legitimate tactic. Whatever he actually did (and I really haven't looked), it's clearly being whipped up into a manufactured controversy. They aren't really dating coaches. T...

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The fucking idiots are at it again: Social justice warrior Meanwhile resident Wikipedia misogynist Tutelary has an argument for it not being deleted: "Purely keeping to the sources, there has been ample coverage and discussion of the term in itself, and as such, warrant notability. The commentators ...

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... since 99.9999% of people who rape don't get an article. Not a statistician or mathematician, but I believe you may have used too many nines to the right of the decimal point. Zoloft is probably correct; the proportion of rapists with articles must be more than one in a million. What percentage ...

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The fact that some players prefer whining and insulting, rather than actually playing the damn game, and the built-in chat board provides an easy method to do that. It's a thing called "griefing". The majority of "old school" gamers doesn't give a crap about all of this, but they're the silent majo...

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So after spending months claiming that GamerGate was about more than just harassing Zoe Quinn, the article written entirely by GamerGate supporters is... focused heavily on Zoe Quinn . In fact, other than the "Jeff Gerstmann Termination" and "Doritogate" sections, which is not related to the deletio...

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It will be interesting to see if they have any records on customers for this, I imagine it would mostly be those who purchased in larger quantities that are approached if so as they are more likely to be dealers. Individuals who post in the subreddit dedicated to this have been freaking out for a fe...

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The difference with the channel would be it would drive more attention to wikipediocracy. Right now the site seems to have as much attention as just about any other anti-wikipedia website...well maybe somewhat more. But the channel would bring more traffic and awareness to wikipiocracy. It shouldn'...

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I am amused by the thought that any of us with jobs have the time to put together a weekly 5-minute video that would be of any respectable quality. Yeah it's easier said than done. The blog posts here are always excellent and I enjoy reading them weekly. However, from my limited experience taking M...

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Associated Press, New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2014/10/30/world/europe/ap-eu-spain-google.html,Spain OKs 'Google Tax' Demanded by News Publishers MADRID — Spain's parliament has approved new intellectual property laws that allow news publishers to charge aggregators each time the...

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"I hope some drug cartel that lost money will murder this lady and her family." Yes, there's a wiki on a "dark" TOR server that published death threats. And it uses MediaWiki. If you have a TOR browser, you can see it here. http://kpvz7kpmcmne52qf.onion/wiki/index.php/Silk_Road_Judge_-_Katherine_Bo...

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Just out of interest, what would your reaction be if someone said "hey, you can wear this yellow broach as a promise you won't sleep your way up the corporate ladder"? Would you feel kindly disposed towards said campaign? The White Ribbon campaign would have found much less push-back if it had star...

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Gosh, Batman, I wonder how Google is going to handle this one..... I think that's the goal, to confuse people who don't know better. I'm dreading the thought of people accidental donating to this website instead of the real charity. Especially because all donations to A Voice for Men go straight in...

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Salon : Men’s rights group launches creepy website to co-opt respected anti-violence campaign The “men’s rights” group A Voice for Men is trying to co-opt an international anti-violence campaign in the weirdest, scummiest way possible. The White Ribbon campaign is a movement that started in Canada ...

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So I had a play These are brilliant. Good work! https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=630783868#Nip_Gamergate_in_the_bud,More AN/I drama . Ryulong suggests blocking the flood of single-purpose accounts visiting the GamerGate articles, the SPAs call...

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Unfortunately I'm at work and pretty busy for the next few days, but you should have some people in your circle of friends that can make a start. If only to collect some relevant images. Simple pasting over with MS Paint would work. It doesn't need to be perfect. But you do need to be striking quic...

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Besides, what would people do if Gawker actually went out of business? Stare at their screens for hours looking for non-sucky lolcat videos themselves? Who has that kind of time. The thought of Gawker going out of business because of these lunatics makes me seriously angry. I don't even particularl...

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You do sort of have two themes and people adhere to them at various levels, but both are very much a part of it. So you admit it is dishonest for people to say that it is entirely about "ethics" or "corruption"? There are two debates going on at once here and it is not right that left-leaning outle...

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Mancunium wrote:How We Got Rolled by the Dishonest Fascists of Gamergate
Gawker, 22 October 2014 link http://gawker.com/how-we-got-rolled-by- ... 1649496579[/link]

Their attempts to control the gaming media continues and their methods of doing so get more and more extreme.

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They have challenged non-political instances of corruption in gaming media. Ethics is clearly an overriding issue. Why they focus on a specific subset is due to their confrontational stance towards gamers. As far as their political ideas "not being pushed on gamers" that is kind of like saying cert...

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