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Give me a bit more time to mull over releasing those mails. So, do I have this straight? It's "uncool" to publish public information about a public political figure. It's worth "mulling over" whether to publish private information from a private figure. Do I have that right, Wil? It sounds to me th...

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I am very confused. Kevin Gorman works (worked?) for UC Berkley as a Wikipedian in Residence in part to reduce the tension between academics and students on the one hand and the Wikimob and Wikipolicies on the other. Presumably he received WMF finding to travel to WikiConference USA to share his ex...

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For now it seems like this is the apology that I'll be getting from Kevin: Wil: I've sincerely apologized to Lila, multiple times, over situations related to our interactions. When you expressed concern that I was trying to interfere with your personal life, I emphatically stressed that I had absol...

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Incoming from sj at meta, he has registered as sj' (we only allow membernames of 3 to 20 characters), and I have activated that account. Zoloft, is there any reason to announce that someone notable has signed up? I can think of several reasons not to. Yes, the reason is because that's the sort of t...

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Good to see you back, Vigilant! I guess you decided to make up for all my lost Vigilantisms yesterday with your last post. :D Same thing as always, I'm not going to call for censorship, but I will appeal to your better side to remove the pejorative characterizations, the comments involving appearanc...

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For now it seems like this is the apology that I'll be getting from Kevin: Wil: I've sincerely apologized to Lila, multiple times, over situations related to our interactions. When you expressed concern that I was trying to interfere with your personal life, I emphatically stressed that I had absolu...

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Zoloft wrote:Incoming from sj at meta, he has registered as sj' (we only allow membernames of 3 to 20 characters), and I have activated that account.

Zoloft, is there any reason to announce that someone notable has signed up? I can think of several reasons not to.

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If the board is unsatisfied with how the executive director is managing the organization, the board's remedy is to direct the ED to replace individuals the board believes are problematic, or to take other steps to improve results, on pain of termination. It is a failure if the board starts directly...

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I'd be opposed to removal. Word spoken, action done. However, that is a mod decision. I'm not sure I've seen the actual quote. If you put it up, Wllm, a mod might respect your wish to take it down. However, anyone else might then replace it, if they can access a copy. Basically, a piece of my own e...

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<snip> Anybody interested in holding a Wikipediocracy conference? Should we let Greg come? ;) We've tossed the idea around. It could happen. Some members have met informally around beer in London, I believe. No horns or cloven feet were observed. I'd like to help organize a California meetup some t...

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Anthonyhcole wrote:Is Greg Kohs banned from Wikimania 2014?

And. . . here we go again!

I was wondering when someone was going to get around to asking that question.

Make sure you buy cancelable tickets, Greg.

wllm

I wonder where Vigilant is today. I'm missing my daily dose of Vigilantisms.

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You're too close to #3 on your list, Wil. That will vanish into the mist. #1 and 2 are right. #3 is the keynote speech of Sumana Harihareswara, which was a call to arms for those favoring a purge campaign in favor of "civility," positing a new dichotomy between "liberty" and "hospitality" and advan...

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OT, but did WP just go down? Try anything off of the landing page- my talk page or whatever- I'm seeing a server error.

NM: Back up now. Looked like a brief outage. At least 10 secs, maybe 1 min. But it looked to me like a full outage. Admins be scramblin right now.

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I think all of the topics come together neatly under the title of this thread. I'm sure there was some great stuff at that conference; I didn't attend myself. But it will now be remembered for 3 things: 1) Claiming it was "open" to skepticism, then banning a prominent critic at the last moment witho...

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I strongly suggest we stay on topic right now. There's a topic? Oh well... sure, whatever, but if I don't jump on the straight-lines at every possible opportunity, people are going to start thinking I've lost a step. Besides, you never admitted that you didn't notice the word "velociraptor" on that...

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… more than a couple people in NYC, including in positions where this would normally get them in shit in any organization other than the Wikimedia movement - were pretty explicitly and pretty publicly asking... <snip> What were these positions ? If it would "get them in shit," it has to be Greek-st...

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BTW, someone suggested in that thread that Wikipediocracy and my blog might have the same malware on them: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=612686540&oldid=612686072. I use pure Automattic stuff on my blog with no ads served. I don't remember having ever seen an ...

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This is like the whole wikimedia-l ugliness all over again. Un. be. lievable. Yep. How long do we think this will last before someone that isn't Jimbo decides to hide it? Any bets on what the rationale will be? Rationale is easy: Trolling. Also, you are violating the Friendly Space Policy of Confer...

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" I don't think it has implications for anyone's anonymity - more than a couple people in NYC, including in positions where this would normally get them in shit in any organization other than the Wikimedia movement - were pretty explicitly and pretty publicly asking why Lila hadn't either dumped you...

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edward, please consider removing that quote from Obi-wan. I don't believe s/he needs to apologize, but s/he has apologized to me personally and now WO on my talk page. It appears s/he preemptively reverted the comment that was quoted. Sometimes we could all use an undo. I don't think this is possib...

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edward, please consider removing that quote from Obi-wan. I don't believe s/he needs to apologize, but s/he has apologized to me personally and now WO on my talk page. It appears s/he preemptively reverted the comment that was quoted. Sometimes we could all use an undo. Greg, you were right in putti...

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A bloody mess, indeed. And it would tear a family apart, leaving a child without a father at home.... This is why you should be extra-careful, though. Quite of few of them over there would see that as a "win." If any partner of mine were to be influenced by any community in to making a decision lik...

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Well, to be fair, "blackmail" is one of those words that Wikipedians have redefined and twisted over the years to mean just about anything they want it to mean at any given time. In the real world, if you tell someone you'll do something that might embarrass them if they don't do the right thing, i...

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Kevin, I'm starting to think these private emails are a big part of the problem. I'd like to publish the unsolicited email you sent to me regarding this issue on June 5. It's the one in which you suggest I "back the fuck off." Is that OK with you? Please, Kevin, in the future if you have anything t...

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NewYorkBrad, time has run out. Silence will not make this go away. Please be intelligent and considerate enough to speak up now. This will send a clear message to the community that we will be truly open about community affairs- even when it is hard- and start backing up all of those lofty promises ...

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Incoming from nwjerseyliz, she has (I presume) registered here as Liz99, and I activated that account. I'd love to hear what she has to say. And not just in 140 characters or less. Liz, please, chime in. We can always use more diverse perspectives here. Everyone, please. Let's stay on topic and mak...

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FWIW, it's looks like Liz Pullen is following the discussion here, too:

https://twitter.com/nwjerseyliz/status/ ... 2934345728

Welcome!

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I've broadly hinted to Wil that he needs to be cognizant of [[WP:NOTHERE]] (Not Here to Build an Encyclopedia). When the religious townspeople gather pitchforks to have themselves a hangin' in the village square, that's the argument they're going to use against him. Without an ongoing work history ...

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And now I'm being asked to shut up by someone on twitter: https://twitter.com/nwjerseyliz/status/476688715226812418 I find it very interesting how many somehow believe that my strongly held ideals around openness and hearing everyone out will somehow be influenced by more experience editing Wikiped...

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I find it very interesting how many somehow believe that my strongly held ideals around openness and hearing everyone out will somehow be influenced by more experience editing Wikipedia. If that is true, doesn't it say a lot about what the Wikipedia experience has to offer? If you participate long ...

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And now I'm being asked to shut up by someone on twitter: https://twitter.com/nwjerseyliz/status/476688715226812418 I find it very interesting how many somehow believe that my strongly held ideals around openness and hearing everyone out will somehow be influenced by more experience editing Wikipedi...

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I don't like this sort of shot either, but tarantino is usually tongue-in-cheek. This is the type of post I sometimes strangle quietly in the dark of night, though. Y'all did notice the word "velociraptor" on his t-shirt, right? I mean, the lizard reference wasn't just a random insult, now was it. ...

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Put another way, he could be the spitting image of Mothra for all I care. It's his ideas that count. Maybe so, but I had him over to my house for dinner once, and not only did he refuse to even touch my signature cheese soufflé, after he'd left I went into the den to check the terrarium and every s...

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Mr. Samuel Klein has been very active on Wil's page. In particular he commented on WO http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wllm&diff=prev&oldid=611758200 Let's hear some of the groundless attacks. Every fucking time we take on a WMF employee, it's for good reason. How many times do w...

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Reading this, what occurs to me is: Evil. I'm surprised, I wasn't thinking this way. I don't particularly believe in evil. But there it is: the seductive voice, the smooth argument, the sly and deniable threat, as creepy as it comes. His eyes are kind of reptilian. He is a person. I suggest we avoi...

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None of you have predicted my behavior up to this point (although you have been disturbingly accurate in predicting the WP community's behavior towards me) Have you read any of Asimov's "Foundation" novels? It's much harder to predict the behavior of a single person than it is to predict the behavi...

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Your post of it to the Blessed Jimbo's talk page has been shut down by the man himself with the comment "I have no interest in this discussion." Congratulations, you're now truly one of us. Will may soon join the Banned Club as well! :banana: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wll...

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Vigilant wrote:Russavia loves Mars!

I don't see it. Cool pic, tho.

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Here's some hard-hitting reporting: http://news-round.com/economy/purple-tr ... a-problem/

The one small error: her first name is Lila, not Purple.

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CONCEPT : Kohs goes clean for one month What if we tried something like this... for one calendar month -- let's say August 2014 -- I would agree to conduct my online life and my output related to Wikipediocracy, Wikipedia, Examiner, Twitter, etc. in a way that completely conforms to the "Friendly S...

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It's A-OK if people stop listening to me. I'm still going to say what I believe. I think there might even be a way to block me on this forum, so you don't even know I'm posting something. Maybe an admin could confirm or refute that. As for my motivations, speculation hasn't gotten you guys any clos...

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I am what I am, and I say what I believe where people will listen. That's all well and good, but I think what he's trying to say is that the concern-trolling might cause people to stop listening. Besides, it would be very easy for many of us to assume you only wrote what you did originally because ...

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I agree with RfB on this one. I have no idea if the community realizes how much damage you are causing to the project. And I also don't know how much joy you derive from this situation. But I do know that one very intelligent man is spending a lot of his free time on stuff that isn't worthy of it. ...

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Greg, you can't talk about it, you just have to want to do it and to do it with nary a peep ever leaking. You should know me well enough by now that I tend not to "want to do" things that I suspect will have no material benefit to me or to society. I'm sure there are psychic benefits to be accrued ...

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I agree with RfB on this one. I have no idea if the community realizes how much damage you are causing to the project. And I also don't know how much joy you derive from this situation. But I do know that one very intelligent man is spending a lot of his free time on stuff that isn't worthy of it. ...

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Well, he didn't remove it from his talk page, so at least people can see his position on the issue. He doesn't want to talk about it. I'm assuming that discussions on his page are only about things he wants to talk about. He didn't say that others couldn't talk about it elsewhere. I have to imagine...

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I agree with RfB on this one. I have no idea if the community realizes how much damage you are causing to the project. And I also don't know how much joy you derive from this situation. But I do know that one very intelligent man is spending a lot of his free time on stuff that isn't worthy of it. ...

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I have no idea if the community realizes how much damage you are causing to the project. I'm not sure of what "damage" I am causing at all. Could you elaborate? You guys have a good point here. I wasn't very clear at all. I meant "damage" from the perspective of the WP community as represented on w...

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Greg, you can't talk about it, you just have to want to do it and to do it with nary a peep ever leaking. You should know me well enough by now that I tend not to "want to do" things that I suspect will have no material benefit to me or to society. I'm sure there are psychic benefits to be accrued ...

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