Wikipediocracy

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I think if you are someone besides auggie, and express interest in contributing, Jake will add you. That's cool. Because I've already written a better book, and we have a publisher lined up. You and Jake were going to get free copies, but not anymore. Not with that attitude. You pay full price, or ...

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10920 wrote:Auggie:

hey Earl can you chill out a bit? Multiple posts in a row full of profanity in big colored text. Come on.

Earl is fine in case you were worried.

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:rotfl: And with that, wikirev returns to a total of 2 posts per day... haha yes it's been really quiet. :banana: :rotfl: But TDA is posting good stuff today and there is always me to listen to. And we have Pudeo and some others. Remember this, you hypocritical madman enabling doofus? :XD This shou...

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Vigilant wrote:
Auggie wrote:Hey Vig, aren't you taking these legal/government analogies a bit too far? Banana Republic? Really?
Hey Auggie, aren’t you getting tired of having the swivel eyed loon shit up your site?

yes there was a lot of cursing and fighting. It was upsetting.

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Hey Vig, aren't you taking these legal/government analogies a bit too far? Banana Republic? Really?

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The admins who quit over 'principle' now come crawling back like crackwhores looking to trade their nonexistant virtue for a rock to sate their fever. They do look rather pathetic. :XD T&S is doing a pretty good job of rekindling things by announcing that idiotic public comment drive before ArbCom ...

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And the updates to WP:FRAM have run dry. The infinitesimal outrage reserves of teh communitah have been exhausted and Fram will die in wiki-prison for unspecified crimes supported by secret evidence from 'unknown' complainants with deeply suspected nepotism ties to a the Chair of the Board carried ...

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That's a bit of an exaggeration. Porn is only a small part of Wikipedia. Still, if they aim it at children there should be none at all . The Sole Flounder should remember that he's no longer running Bomis. of course :deadhorse: I guess I don't see that much difference between this and goatse, excep...

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At least it's honest. The website is what it is. Don't sneak this stuff into schools. Put it on the main page and let librarians and school administrators be exposed as the reckless idiots they have been. Wikipedia should have been blacklisted from every public school a long time ago. WMF should be ...

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Probey does good work. Posts with a lot of imagery.

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Ansh666 wrote:A third admin is returning: Ad Orientem (T-C-L).

Maybe he just sold his account. Good for him.

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Please keep fighting. I like conflict.

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Tommy wrote: Pointless, who ever brought up Hindenburg? If we are to discuss greatness, Frederick the Great takes the trophy.

You did, when you implied that 20th century Prussians weren't up to their necks in militarism and Nazism. Blaming WWII on Bavarians.

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You should rewrite the Wikipedia article. It's obviously up the spout. "Hindenburg's record as a commander starting in the field at Tannenberg, then leading four national armies, culminating with breaking the trench deadlock in the west, and then holding his defeated army together, is unmatched by ...

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yep Nazi POV writers have amazing stamina. They've outlasted everyone. Why should this be the work of Nazis, given that Hindenberg and Hitler despised each other? There are surely many people whose images Nazis would prefer to burnish, such as Ludendorff. Hitler's narrative. Stab in the back. The H...

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yep

Nazi POV writers have amazing stamina. They've outlasted everyone.

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You should rewrite the Wikipedia article. It's obviously up the spout. "Hindenburg's record as a commander starting in the field at Tannenberg, then leading four national armies, culminating with breaking the trench deadlock in the west, and then holding his defeated army together, is unmatched by ...

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Meh. If he was trying to put Hitler in charge, he couldn't have played it better. He may have been senile towards the end and didn't know what he was doing. I think historians are divided on that. Hindenburg was a dope his entire career. The groundwork for Tannenberg was all put in place by Prittwi...

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Vigilant wrote:
Auggie wrote:What's the sockpuppet?
Probably HaleLaura (T-C-L)

password 12345

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What's the sockpuppet?

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Meh. If he was trying to put Hitler in charge, he couldn't have played it better.

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Hat tip to Auggie on wikirev https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AVanished_user_adhmfdfmykrdyr&type=revision&diff=742781771&oldid=742723003#BLP_errors Also copy pasta since this will almost certainly be vanished, like the user. Here we see, laid out in full, the basis for the curr...

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I ain't banned. Assuming all Germans are Nazis is racist. Linking to the 1933 Nazi coat of arms? Really? Really? Those Nazi fucks destroyed the Prussian free state with Preußenschlag and Gleichschaltung in 1932-1935. They launched the hopeless and futile war that led to more Eastern lands of Prussi...

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Good for Jimmy. Corbyn is antisemitic af.

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Wait, what?! https://twitter.com/krmaher/status/1146572629081387008 Katherine Maher ‏ @krmaher I slammed into this afternoon after a six-month sprint like a train hitting a brick wall. Have never been so excited for a quick vacation/work/vacation trip. Montenegro, Germany, France, your sun is hot a...

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haha classic.

No warning. Just launch it, see if anyone cares.

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yeah let's debate I-P. This should go well.

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Midsize Jake wrote:And I do vaguely recall you agreeing, at least in principle, to avoid the PvP stuff if at all possible...?

dammit

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mendaliv wrote:>gets told legal information is useful and informative
>points to a WP article as though that refutes anything
Come on man.

haha right. You didn't address the point. Your legal jibber-jabber is embarrassing and irrelevant to running an encyclopedia-like website. It's complete fantasy.

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Well, I for one appreciated his explanations when I tried to analyze the Terms of Service and noted the ambiguity of some terms, and how that might play out in an expensive trial-by-judge. I also appreciate (in advance) his efforts to improve ArbCom procedures so as to protect minority complainants...

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It's just the combination of so many goddamn pet peeves about people on WP. Ignore evidence right in front of your face that this is bullshit because you can torture some favorable wording out of it, cite WP:NOTLAW for the proposition that whatever we say goes, and then fawn over anyone powerful th...

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10920 wrote: I acknowledge that you're likely correct, but it does take some reading between the lines to get there.

Agreed. But I think anything more direct would have sounded like they were throwing their employees under the bus.

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I am amused by the board.

They say that three years ago they knew Wikipedia was toxic and asked teams to work on it. Now they're directing Maher to "work closely with staff".

That's bureaucratic for "Shit's out of control on your watch."

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Pretty much told T&S to stay in their lane, begged admins to come back and tacitly admitted the chair was involved in the case. yeah nice summary. That was my takeaway too. This is a complete nothingburger for the community. Read it again. Telling T&S to focus on serious shit = leave future Frams t...

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It looks like a concession to me. Letting ArbCom review the unreviewable ban. Jan must be pissed. The part about the Chair having formally delegated this matter is not enough. At a minimum, the board needs to direct Maher to investigate whatever her involvement was in Fram's ban. They cannot just gi...

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He wouldn’t have to leave Belgium for anything but a trial where he’s a witness, and even then (particularly given anything would be a bench trial) testimony could probably be taken telephonically. Yes, the whole process would be outrageously expensive. And that’s why WMF will get away with lying a...

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So the Community and Foundation disagree on whether Fram has been an "especially problematic user" who caused "significant Project disturbance". And since one cannot judge who is "right" from interpreting the Terms of Use as interpretation isn't black & white, then a jury trial would be quite possi...

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Fram murders Smallbones online. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fram#Smallbones_at_the_Arb_Case News at 11. Jesus H Christ... Fram eviscerates him. Not even. Normal people see two obsessed idiots rolling around in the mud. This is survivable for Smallbones, but could be the end for Fram. ...

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I mean, Fram may be a jerk, but he was just defending himself. That's actually the basis of this whole fiasco; it's not like some unpopular ArbCom ruling. As the most basic level, these people are worried that they can be banned from their favorite hobby without being allowed to defend themselves a...

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yes the book is not well-described at all by the Wikipedia article. It was pretty good.

I dunno I moused over some of the Wikipedia references for that number and they are kind of all over the place.

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So I just popped over to the Wikipedia Armenian Genocide article and was surprised to see the figure posted as 1.5 million. Which is weird because the book I read a while back, The Burning Tigris, which seemed pretty fair to me, gave a range where 1.5 million was the top end, iirc.

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Mr. Advocate (aka "T.D. Adler") has now weighed in on Breitbart (see, I can link to right-wing sites, too! :) ). At first reading, it's basically what you'd expect - the conservative slant is definitely there, but Mr. Advocate is obviously much more familiar with the terrain, so the essential facts...

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Cool.

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Somey you really should try editing Wikipedia for at least a few weeks. Because you just don't get it. Try writing anything new, or even making simple changes to improve an existing article, and these quality control fuckers come out of the woodwork to attack you. Not your writing, you personally. T...

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People who know me might wonder why someone like me, who detests sexism in general, would point the finger in Ms. Hale's direction in this case. I don't like doing it, but I'm afraid it's warranted, because I've also been a professional proofreader/editor and I know the effect a person like her can...

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An alternative view, from Fram's user talk page on Commons (it is also worth reading what Fram has posted there as well): A View From Outside Your story is generating a lot of heat around the internet and it piqued my interest enough to read through much of the talk pages on Wikipedia, starting wit...

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Even if this incident were enough to trigger it, the problem with such a mass exodus in Wikipedia's case would be, as always, Google. Unless Google could somehow be convinced to shift its allegiance to the new encyclopedia-like website and rank it higher in search results than Wikipedia, it's just ...

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Fram is absolutely not the first critic or editor to receive one of these mysterious blocks. I got one as well as several others. Fram was just the first admin as far as I know and the first one on enwp with a time limit. As for LauraHale. I suspect this episode is going to have her banned by the a...

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There is a cultural disconnect between the business side, which emphasizes quantity (metrics watchers: more contributors! more editors! more pageviews! more donors! more articles! more contributions!) and the editorial side which values quality (delete spam! no promotional content!) Fram may be a f...

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Ok, the Fram and now Floquenbeam situation has quickly become TLDR. Will a brave soul attempt the CliffsNotes version to aid us mere mortals in understanding what exactly is going on here? Much appreciated. ugh I'll try Fram was office banned a few days ago. The only reason given was that it was be...

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