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SirFozzie

That sounds about right. 3-4 hours a day for email discussions, keeping up on the latest disputes, and going over ongoing arbitration cases. Welcome back! Thanks. Been a while. Checked my wiki email on a whim and saw an email asking me for information about one of the recent front page articles... ...

SirFozzie

That sounds about right. 3-4 hours a day for email discussions, keeping up on the latest disputes, and going over ongoing arbitration cases.

SirFozzie

Likely a bored troublemaker, the guy behind STOPHaus (who was very very upset that Spamhaus was you know, blocking their right to saturate our email box with junk email we neither asked for nor desired.) was arrested for a very powerful DDoS a couple months back.

SirFozzie

While I applaud the concept, I think it has no shot, and as a lesser problem, I think at some level of notability Wikipedia would look stupid not to have an article (the Sarah Palin's etcetera... but that's just a matter of where to draw the line)

SirFozzie

Thanks. I'm out of the hospital, but the doc is recommending I book a vascular surgery evaluation visit. Yeek. No fun at all

SirFozzie

I would say 20-25 hours a week, up to 30-35 hours during our crunch times, such as the Sophie incident, the high level arbitration cases, or the like It was almost a second full time job. And what was your reward? A few grudging thank-yous after leaving, I suppose. Did you know the average American...

SirFozzie

To be honest, my personal thoughts mirrored yours at some junctures, but you have to get 8 or more people to agree on drastic actions, and that's never easy. To make things worse, I never really wanted to see an 8-7 vote with drastic measures.. because then the folks who are on the bad side of it wi...

SirFozzie

As for the affect on the job.. you spend so much time dealing with the worst of Wikipedia, that it really got to be a drag.I know that in some cases I got frustrated with a topic area that continually reappeared that I suggested on the list. "This is just based on my frustration with seeing yet anot...

SirFozzie

it really depends. I had to check my email several times a day just to keep up on any issues that would pop up. (so, say 20-30 minutes scattered through the day just to read incoming mail, even if it's not something that I needed to reply to). Then if there was an active discussion that I needed to ...

SirFozzie

See what I mean? (grins). I will say that I did not work as much with Elen as I did with other arbitrators (mostly based on time zones and availability to discuss issues, especially as I am/was a night owl), but there was nothing more then having a different opinion than me, up until this incident. ...

SirFozzie

I'm not going to go commenting on other people's personalities, because they could do the same to me, and no one really wins when that happens.

Well, maybe the local popcorn maker and the people who enjoy Wiki-drama.

SirFozzie

The Committee gives a LOT of leeway to the drafter, there weren't many cases where there was a large scale revolt to what was posted. so there is a project leader for each case. Should there be one for the Committee as a whole? My opinion, no. Even with the drawbacks of having multiple voices speak...

SirFozzie

The reason for "no effective leader" is, as I've explained, the fact that arbs are scattered all over the world, so everything happens at different times, and for there to be an effective leader, they'd need to be able to work on the list 24-7-365, which is pretty much impossible. It depends on wha...

SirFozzie

I would doubt it. No, there was no confidentiality clause during my term, and considering that I was on the mailing list with the new folks up until the day when my term expired and didn't see anything like that, I find it very unlikely that there is one on the current team. The reason for "no effec...

SirFozzie

Honestly, the Committee can reflect the community Please define "the community" because quite a few of us don't think that any of you can provide a coherent definition of it, being as it doesn't actually exist. The Community to me, is a very broad term for Wikipedia's editors in general (banned use...

SirFozzie

Kiefer has it right, what I tried to do in my three years. What the Committee also has to worry about.. they can get in the habit of "anticipating" problems.. in that by the time you've served multiple years in the position, you're tempted to say "Oh, I've seen this song and dance before, so I'm not...

SirFozzie

Wow. Part of me wishes I was still on the relevant lists so I can figure out wtf is going on.

The other part of me (the majority) is glad I'm far far away from this.

SirFozzie

I doubt that, but then again, I'm not as cynical as others.

SirFozzie

I'm not aware of the list that he's sent to the committee, so, I have no standing to make that bet, as I don't bet when I don't have enough information. If you think that he's hiding accounts, email the Committee. It's in their hands.

SirFozzie

And Rugby League starting up and the AFL, right? (yes, I watch those sports here in the US)

And Greg, that's what you get when you type quickly. But noted, thanks.

SirFozzie

Well, you know what March is most famous for, right? (well, to US College Basketball fans that is)

March Madness, indeed

SirFozzie

By the way, wasn't David Yellope ("SirFozzie") deeply involved in "outing" that Mantonmoreland guy? Oh, the McHumanity. Actually, I played by the "Rulz" there, and it ended up working (thanks to the efforts of CHL, Durova, and many others, more then me), when years of outing/warring posts on WR had...

SirFozzie

Now ask if I care that you don't care.. or the next step is that you don't care that I don't care that you don't care..

I guess that's what makes the world go round...

SirFozzie

thekohser wrote:
SirFozzie wrote:Yup. And I've proposed adding WO to the spamblacklist while the outing information up.

I don't like doing it, as I said, WO has a lot of value pointing out issues, but the article posted crossed a line and is counterproductive.
Nobody was "outed", you twit.

We disagree, then Greg.

SirFozzie

Yup. And I've proposed adding WO to the spamblacklist while the outing information up. I don't like doing it, as I said, WO has a lot of value pointing out issues, but the article posted crossed a line and is counterproductive. It could be a temporary measure until things blow over. I certainly hop...

SirFozzie

Yup. And I've proposed adding WO to the spamblacklist while the outing information up.

I don't like doing it, as I said, WO has a lot of value pointing out issues, but the article posted crossed a line and is counterproductive.

SirFozzie

Per a post on the talk page, yes, that looks to have happened.

SirFozzie

Meanwhile Cla68 remains in limbo. They sure are finding a lot of time to unblock people for supposedly not having time to unblock Cla68. I wonder how favorable they would be towards Suarez appealing. Due to my loss of talk page access in January, the 24-hour block that I've received on Meta in late...

SirFozzie

Mantanmoreland? BLP enforcement? Any of those ring a bell?

SirFozzie

You used to have some perspective, but I guess several years of being surrounded by these kind of people engaged in this kind of ridiculousness has warped your common sense. You're making the mistake of thinking like a Wikipediot, not a real person like you used to and was the reason I voted for yo...

SirFozzie

To be more then a "Waaah I hate these people who are EVUL" site There you go again. Defending bullies, and poking fun at those who bring their actions to light. Go home. You disgust me. Same here. Foz, you're blowing away any sympathy you had on this forum, by blindly defending the likes of Russavi...

SirFozzie

We're in agreement on that, VM. Now the question is, could the point have been made without saying "Russavia=This person in real life"? I say yes. I say that the moral case would be much stronger for action if that's what had been done. But that wasn't done here.. So, the signal of the criticism get...

SirFozzie

Yes, WO DOES need to do themselves favors, if they want to be taken seriously as a Wikipedia criticism site, and not be seen as counterproductive to their own goal. WR fell into the same hole in the Brandt days, and it took a long time for the valid criticisms to be heard in the midst of the dirty p...

SirFozzie

Because it sucks. AE is nearly as bad as being a member of ArbCom itself for much the same reasons. You get endless arguments, and no matter what decision you make, you're going to piss off at least half the people involved (who then will focus their ire on YOU). You need a very thick skin to deal w...

SirFozzie

It also seems obvious that this is essentially WP:BADSITES through the back door. Balderdash. It's "Don't out people who haven't identified themselves on-wiki, don't repeatedly do it when you're blocked for it, and don't undo oversight-related blocks without consulting oversighters first". WO and C...

SirFozzie

I tend to disagree, TDA, but then again, I would, wouldn't I? A lot of the time in the Fae case, it was trying to nail Jello to the wall. We couldn't even agree that images uploaded to Commons but used on en-WP fell under our remit. I can understand the frustration involved. I feel it too, trust me....

SirFozzie

Well, again, I'm not going to be breaching privacy rules for your edification, Michael, but there was a number of emails alleging threats and conspiracy theories as well that went into the Committe's decision to indefblock

SirFozzie

Which gets me to the final use I had for WR/WO as an arbitrator. It allowed me to see who was actively trying to work toward a solution and who was trying to play the political game. I remember a case from fairly early in my tenure as an ArbCom member, where someone was playing the game perfectly. ...

SirFozzie

1) I think it was appropriate, considering the issues that were raised.

2) My opinion on ED, is pretty much uniformly negative. It has all the problems that a criticism site can entail, with little, if any, positives to it that other places can have.

SirFozzie

Michael: As I stated at the time when Fae presented his defense, there was enough discrepancies in Fae's story that I could not charitably call it two different viewpoints. Fae's story does not match up in many key areas with the information we had. As I said above, there was already a general feeli...

SirFozzie

While I'm really hesitant to reply how other arbs saw it, I think that my feeling at first review was "Ok, there's a problem here, but how do we fix it?" At first just the removal of tools (first by us passing a remedy and then just confirming Fae's request to remove the tools, but as we tried to ge...

SirFozzie

Ok, one more post, as I'm waiting for the medicine to kick in (seriously folks, I'm beginning to believe that if you're taking an airplane in December or January, you need to be put in a 72 hour quarantine first. :P). I once was having a discussion via email regarding WR/WO with a very senior member...

SirFozzie

I have two questions for Foz: 1. Did they force you to sign a nondisclosure agreement? 2. If not, why don't you write your own memoirs of your Arbcom term? It would be fascinating, and I guarantee a lot of people would read it. The answers: 1: No 2: Right now, it's still kinda. well.. fragmented. D...

SirFozzie

Well, again, I'm only going to talk in generalities, because it's not fair to my now ex-colleagues, where in a lot of cases they cannot reply... But I'd say factions can be a bit of a strong word, but I can see how it would apply. You have people who fervently believe that Person X's behavior deserv...

SirFozzie

I have two questions for Foz: 1. Did they force you to sign a nondisclosure agreement? 2. If not, why don't you write your own memoirs of your Arbcom term? It would be fascinating, and I guarantee a lot of people would read it. The answers: 1: No 2: Right now, it's still kinda. well.. fragmented. D...

SirFozzie

Nope. It was my plan ever since I was (Edit:Re)elected in 2010, I had decided that three years was enough for me. Close to what The Joy has posted in the diffs.. back in the day of the Mantanmoreland case, I wondered how Wikipedia's "Old Guard" could have gotten the situation so horribly wrong. Then...

SirFozzie

Let's see.. some of these aren't obscure (because they've been before the Committee etcetera), but that doesn't mean more then a very small percentage of folks care about them: English English Spelling vs American English spelling (yogurt vs yoghurt, soccer vs football) Diacritics (Really, it's that...

SirFozzie

Well, it's fairly obvious that there would have been at least a great deal of discomfort and awkwardness between Elen and those who had voted to suspend her tools, should she have been re-elected, I have a feeling that things would have worked out.

SirFozzie

I can say for the record, that there was no ArbCom "schism" with regards to the elections, at least anywhere I can see. I'm just glad that the elections are behind us, and that "Celebrate SirFozzie's retirement from Arb-Dom" event I've scheduled on Facebook is now an official countdown, in somewhere...

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