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Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:48 am
Max Blumenthal rocks.

That retweet saga was hilarious.

It was. I wonder if Trump noticed?

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Max Blumenthal rocks.

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Here is a very timely commentary on the present state of our cherished "Reliable Sources," by one of the most consistently level-headed journalists I know.

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You can read the original SPLC article here . They later walked the article back. Personally, Ming finds the Grayzone articles a bit, um, febrile, and they definitely fail the "if this were the only place reporting this, would I believe it?" test. They later walked the article back, and apologized ...

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And as for the corporate press, they're the ones who put Trump in office. True. Maybe not the major-daily newspapers, but the TV news outlets and the online media, definitely. They gave him billions of dollars' worth of TV time and other forms of free advertising, for nothing, all because they thou...

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Whether you like or dislike Trump is off-topic, unless you want to talk about how Trump's loathsomeness has been cleverly used to somehow legitimize the kind of hysterical conspiracy theories that we used mock back in the '60s when the John Birch Society and the Liberty Lobby were raving about commu...

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The Grayzone is Max Blumenthal's site, and these articles were written mostly by Ben Norton, who is probably well to the left of Max Blumenthal. Most of what they're saying about Jimbo and Katherine Maher is at least based in fact, not to mention exhaustively detailed — but like most of this type o...

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And now, a significant U.S.-based news organization is getting into it with Wikipedia:

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The hunt continues.

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Max Blumenthal, one of a handful of journalists whom I can truly respect:

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Jimbo, who proclaims his adoration for Ayn Rand, is an elitist wannabe.

Meanwhile...

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And the beat goes on. Clearly, when the Arbcom topic banned Philip Cross from "post-1978 British politics", they either misunderstood the nature of the ideology which he is so frenetically soapboxing, or else they intentionally left a huge opening for him to continue to push it: https://twitter.com/...

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Now the Germans are getting in on the act:

https://youtu.be/VMM82_iOyeA?t=344

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It looks like more and more observers out there are learning the technique of analyzing who is doing what to whom on Wikipedia. Incidentally, one of Wikipediocracy's resident neocons gets an honorable mention in this thread: https://twitter.com/leftworks1/status/1201103840940101633 Much of the Twit...

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It looks like more and more observers out there are learning the technique of analyzing who is doing what to whom on Wikipedia. Incidentally, one of Wikipediocracy's resident neocons gets an honorable mention in this thread:

https://twitter.com/leftworks1/status/1 ... 0940101633

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Philip Cross, if that account is just one person, monomanically pushes a neocon POV that you happen to share. So naturally you are puzzled by all the fuss about him/her/it. Good old Hersh! Anyone who imagines I'm within a thousand miles of being a neocon is best described as having an unusual POV. ...

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And https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/narrative-managers-in-overdrive-after-death-of-white-helmets-founder-3eef74c8ebd8, Mr. PC keeps coming back , ArbCom or no Arbcom. He must lead a charmed life. I'm not clear what Hersh is saying here. This article is an attempt to smear and defame a British he...

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And Mr. PC keeps coming back, ArbCom or no Arbcom. He must lead a charmed life.

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Neil Clark recently wrote about his attempt to speak with Philip Cross . He didn't, but did interview his father. A pretty sad picture of Philip is painted. The article hints that Cross' obsessiveness is due to his Aspergers. Mr Cross also said his son - 56 years old in 2019 - was in poor physical ...

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I couldn't figure out which subforum this should go to, so this one is as good as any. This video highlights the danger of Google's power to manipulate public opinion through search rankings, and we know what site typically gets top billing.

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https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1089289382912241666 Under US pressure, the Bank of England refuses to hand over $1.2 billion it owes to the Venezuelan government in gold assets. Instead, it plans to hand the money to the Wikipedia-recognized coup government of Juan Guaido. This is theft, p...

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NBC News actually considers itself part of the unbiased mainstream media, so it's hardly surprising that they'd post an article like that. You're probably thinking of MS NBC News, which as we all know is more openly left-biased, and (believe it or not) is not currently praising Trump effusively for...

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I don't think anybody who hates the sociopathic, narcissistic, lying, philandering, racist, sexist shitbomb that is Donald Trump is cheering for him now because he's early picking sides in a coup attempt in Venezuela. That matters not a whit; I'd like you to show us even one case of this, Hersh. Rf...

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As a slightly off-topic aside, does it strike anyone else as peculiar that all the people who relentlessly denounce Trump suddenly seem very supportive of him when he goes full-on neocon, as in this Venezuela situation?

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... So they're now in the midst of what might be called a "petro-recession," and a severe one at that, exacerbated by a US-imposed credit freeze and other sanctions which the Trump Administration slapped on both Maduro himself, and Venezuela as a whole, starting in June-July 2017. Actually, sanctio...

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I am accustomed to Wikipedia being extraordinarily helpful to neocon agendas, but this is really above and beyond the call of Jimmy's duty:

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Here's a choice bit:

https://twitter.com/jewssf/status/1028194091790749696

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Really the title of this thread is a bit misleading. It's not leftists in general who are on the warpath, it's the Hard Left. I could go with "anti-war guys" maybe, but "Hard British leftists" could easily be misinterpreted in ways that might not be appropriate. I can easily see the problem here, p...

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I think the real interest in this story is not that it teaches us anything new about the internal workings of Wikipedia (it doesn't), but that it indicates a growing public awareness of the rotten role that Wikipedia plays. In particular, a spotlight was cast on the similary between Jimmy Wales' pol...

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I would suggest this for further reading on the topic:

https://extranewsfeed.com/clinton-democ ... 00dd02a6e9

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...militarism and imperialism, both of which have been ardently embraced by the Blair people and the Hillary people. Obviously, militarism and imperialism have not been "ardently embraced" by the "Hillary people." Hillary Clinton isn't a pacifist, but this sort of thing is just more false propagand...

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I suspect that KalHolmann (T-C-L) will rue the day that he innocently raised his voice in this matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... KalHolmann

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Murray is probably correct that Jimbo and Cross have similar politics. Calling it "neo-con" is just confusing though. "Blairite" is the usual UK term. Tony Blair was never a neocon. By definition, a neocon is a conservative. Blair believed in raising government spending and major constitutional ref...

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Kingsindian wrote:Murray is probably correct that Jimbo and Cross have similar politics.

Calling it "neo-con" is just confusing though. "Blairite" is the usual UK term.

The two terms are synonymous. "Neo-con" is probably better known on this side of the pond (meaning the American side.)

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A rather extensive update has now appeared from Craig Murray: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/05/the-philip-cross-affair/ He asserts that Philip Cross' POV, which may fairly be described as "neocon", corresponds closely to that of Jimmy Wales: What is particularly interesting is that “P...

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Are you drowning the fish, Poetlister? Bezdomi: what point are you making? I wasn't referring to Cross himself, but to the motives of his far-left detractors, which seem to be the overthrow of the American Government and the destruction of NATO and Israel. I could be wrong, but I think that they ma...

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Bezdomni wrote: It appears that now Cross has decided to focus his efforts on US Politics and Beatrix Potter. ^^

There are already complaints that he is violating the topic ban:

https://twitter.com/leftworks1/status/1 ... 2627078145

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Some say that the ArbCom is about to do something, or not:

https://twitter.com/leftworks1/status/1 ... 3689603074

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Bezdomni wrote: British anti-war folks being pissed at en.wp

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

https://wikipedia.fivefilters.org/evidence/#Kamm

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You get the impression from this that "mystery" editors are quite rare on Wikipedia. Of course, the great majority are anonymous. And the number of editors whose primary motivation is to use the site as a Revenge Platform or Defamation Engine is not insubstantial. It is a central feature of Wikiped...

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"Philip Cross" may have crossed the threshold of Notability®:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csws6q

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And speaking of Mr. Holmann, I believe I've seen this movie before:

https://twitter.com/leftworks1/status/1 ... 9153619968

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Independent German investigators Markus Fiedler and Dirk Pohlmann have told Sputnik Deutschland about some of the mysterious Wikipedia editors they say are responsible for 'safeguarding' mainstream viewpoints on the world's largest and most influential free online encyclopedia. https://sputniknews....

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What does "independent" mean here? Independent of whom or what? It means independent of the Anglo-American corporate media, which is owned for the most part by a tiny number of very large companies who seem to be mainly interested in manufacturing consent for the Regime Change war du jour . Not sur...

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They're tweeting about the arbcom case now:

https://twitter.com/leftworks1/status/1 ... 3524722694

Is KalHolmann (T-C-L) somebody from Wikipediocracy? I like the cut of his or her jib.

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This web page contains some additional discussion of "Philip Cross." But first, it has an unusually detailed analysis and refutation of one of Wikipedia's typical WP:SOAP showcases, White Helmets (Syrian Civil War) (T-H-L).

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