Wikipediocracy

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:applause: Been lurking a while, visit on and off, interested watching the debates on the big world stories more than the weirdness of Wikipedia which I cannot practically contribute to so I've decided if you can't say anything useful, say nothing at all. Looking forward to Smiley's next installment...

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"Wikipedia: the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Just don't expect to be able to understand it..." When I was at school they introduced the decimal system so I learned a bit of both systems but I could not guess how long a chain was. I doubt many of the target audience (assuming that the tar...

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More comments: They'll transfer your number and if you don't like the service they'll put you through hell to get it back. I already have a contract with them and it is ok - it is very cheap. But I have found two limitations: The SIM does not work abroad, it cannot connect to foreign networks, so y...

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Of course Wikipedia itself famously defined the problem of RS but failed to recognise it was a statement of the failure of the system... "Verifiability not truth" (another fine example of Wikipedian phylosophy looking clever but failing the scrape the surface test).

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Given that most sources are inherently unreliable to some extend, questioning a policy that doesn't allow editorial oversight, worse, can allow garbage in just because someone else said it, isn't unreasonable. In common with most fundamental policies, especially where Jimbo has had a hand, RS is one...

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The first thing you have to ask when you see those things at Wikipedia are "Who's the target?" and the answer will not be sockpuppeteers. The second thing you have to ask is "How many innocent bystanders will be impacted?" and the answer will be many more than they expected. The third thing you have...

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I've had a couple of "Blockchain is the promised land!" conversations. All the plus points that people sell seem to be functions that can be provided on any other platform - and several of its "solutions" miss the point - e.g. bitcoins can still be stolen even with its supposed bullet proof audit tr...

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I did read an article recently that asserted that people are simply crap at changing their minds once they have decided something, regardless of evidence. The University of Life and Brexit confirms to me that this is likely to be the case. OK. What's the relationship to the question at issue in thi...

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I did read an article recently that asserted that people are simply crap at changing their minds once they have decided something, regardless of evidence. The University of Life and Brexit confirms to me that this is likely to be the case. There are many variations of this claim, some are reasonabl...

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I did read an article recently that asserted that people are simply crap at changing their minds once they have decided something, regardless of evidence. The University of Life and Brexit confirms to me that this is likely to be the case.

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It is worth asking why Wikipediocracy works reasonably well when it is quite clear that there is a pretty disparate band of dissolutes on board. It's a fairly small site. Also, to most people the discussions are not a matter of life and death. If there were a thousand people posting every day, and ...

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They will recast any knowledge-owning laws as evil and therefore do not have to be upheld (though they get a bit miffed that Google gets to use their work for free but then haven't really got an argument). And this is a huge probelm. Because, the only political party in Europe what supports their v...

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That is what I understand, but what I don't understand is the changing morale if they become here Wikipedians. If I suggest, I think it is a good idea to steal cars in Germany, export them to America, put American license plates on it, and sell them in Ukraine, what is about the same, everybody her...

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Like I said before, on a personal level I like the users here very much. The are most friendly, intelligent people, it is a pleaser I have met them. People I wish they had been my collega's on Wikipedia, I feel myself 100% safe. I can't understand in the same foundation, on a site with the same nam...

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As far as I recall, we seemed to share a common purpose here, and thus got on rather well, until you decided that your argument that Wikipedia's problems were largely down to the internet in general, rather than the specific environment of Wikipedia. I am here to inform people, and so that's why I ...

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Ming can use the "foe" option to filter out some user's posts. Having been watching the forum for the last couple of months I'd ask the question "What is CW hoping to achieve?" I would hope that posters to the forum are trying to inform or discover. CW seems rather too intent on arguing to win a po...

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Why do the bad "guys" get to win here? It's a strange definition of winning - wasting your life fiddling around gaming people on Wikipedia. What are they going to tell their grandchildren?* * AH, yes. An unlikely scenario for basement dwelling underpant warriors, but hey. https://41dmav17y2a239wj1k...

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collect wrote:I am not looking this up but I would have guessed at

Vraw cloff as my best transliteration

Close enough?

More vrockslav - that S sound was the real surprise. Lovely place, and the gnomes were quite addictive.

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Poetlister wrote: And the moral is that if you have someone obsessed with a particular topic, you get a hopelessly over-long article stuffed with trivia.

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Johnny Au wrote:Now, how to pronounce Wroclaw (T-H-L) correctly...

Been there, tried that, failed (but I do know there are s and v sounds in there to the UK ear).

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Take another look at the article. It seems to me that it is quite a useful outsider view on the reality of Wikipedia - articles put together a long time ago that have evolved (note the comment that one of the original contributors actually knew nothing about his subject - nothing new under the sun),...

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I'd tend to agree that being falsely listed as living in Cannock is libellous - though perhaps not as bad as Cleethorpes.

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Is Greg on there?

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Poetlister wrote:
[Mods: The hyperlink function doesn't work if there is a comma in the URL. I don't suppose there's any way round that.]

Replace the comma with %2C

I think the comma is a reserved character, so only allowed raw to perform whatever it is that URLs do with commas.

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I don't disagree with you, Renée. It's not ideal or even logical. And you aren't being mean at all. I guess my experience with improving BLPs has been very positive and impactful for some subjects of the entries I've improved. I know that for some people there has been a lot of stress, worry, harm ...

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Earthy Astringent wrote:The fuck you say?

Fuck that for a game of soldiers. I was going to post that.

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Single bow : three sentences and five pictures of cars. Unsourced. I'm not at all convinced that "straight through" is a term ever used in this country as the article claims. Three of the five pictures are of Rolls Royces, which are far from typical cars. FWIW, I can confirm that in 58.95 years, I ...

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I don't think the problem is with the citation style... ... it's that you have no special reason to believe the citation supports the text. In the Good Old Days, when I published a paper or wrote a book, and made an assertion which was supported by "Smith (1999a) reports that", or "according to Jon...

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So my interpretation of the tea leaves is that the next 10 years is going to continue to reflect what the last has shown. A few trolls, self serving individuals and POV pushers like James Alexander and the other WMFers and admins are going to continue to maintain control and the community and the p...

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Some other highlights: One of her closest pals is Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales. The pair have been in a mutual fan club since Lily was introduced to him at the World Economic Forum in Davos six years ago. Wales agreed to support her tech start-up — Impossible.com, a money-free ‘social giving’ se...

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There is a vast increase in the level of inline references over this period. Much more of it is verifiable. There is a vast increase in the level of inline references over this period. Much more of it is verifiable. The casual reader still has no indication that the text reflects anything in the re...

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Back in 2007, Wikipedia had a major head of steam and those who did not know better had good reason to believe the PR that Wikipedia was going to be a wonderful product. The problems with the broken management of Wikipedia were obvious and the current status seems to be that the management structure...

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I'll save you some time and answer my own question, the statistics are as follows: At Level 1, the articles on Science, Technology and Mathematics are still all yet to attain FA status. At Level 2, there are just 2 out of 22 Science articles are FAs (Evolution and Atom). Someone has been fiddling t...

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CrowsNest wrote:Not sure this is what he meant. I wasn't, after all, wishing for more fanboys to get involved in Wikipedia.

Then you will really have to update your cynicism quotient if you want to continue reading posts on this site.

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CrowsNest wrote: I haven't even got a clue what the last sentence is meant to mean.

It's extremely simple. The more in depth an article is, the more likely it is to be biased by the opinions of the person fixated on the topic, so comprehensiveness may not actually correlate with reliability.

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Back to the point. Wales is selling WikiTribune as an antidote to fake news. Again, I'm really not sure what to say here... the interview we're discussing just cannot be viewed as a news piece, it seems more to be giving Snowden a tribune from which to express his POV. The fact that in the section ...

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American society can get very excited over their rights of privacy and be very casual over the right to life for example. Many people in the US are very hot on the right to life for the unborn, even from the moment of conception. Ironically, they are often among those least worried by the death pen...

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If a Wikipedia article doesn't contain anything that cannot be found on the first page of Google results, then it is simply a summary of the "low-hanging fruit". A person who is interested enough in the subject to go further down in Google results (most people stop at the first two or three, let al...

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"snazzy soundbites", dogbiscuit? Well, if you say so. His claim that "privacy is the fountainhead of all rights" is certainly very Lockean (and so is pretty capital), even if it does sound like reheated Rand. My issue is that if you are unthinking about rights and freedoms it is very easy to make a...

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FWIW, in the UK legal system, someone who holds a position of trust can normally expect a far harsher sentence than a typical man in the street. So for example, a policeman can expect to go to prison for crimes where your typical villain would walk free, same with a trustee of a charity. Admins shou...

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Surely the most obvious problem with it is that it is not balanced reporting - it is an interviewer with extreme views on the subject tossing softball questions to a fellow believer to push an agenda. This is an opinion piece pretending to be news. Well said. If this is the example of WikiTribune, ...

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Surely the most obvious problem with it is that it is not balanced reporting - it is an interviewer with extreme views on the subject tossing softball questions to a fellow believer to push an agenda. This is an opinion piece pretending to be news.

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Earthy Astringent wrote:Yo dawg. Where ya been?

Who needs Wikipedia when there are women and bicycles?

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Kumioko wrote: As it is, Wikipedia is no longer "The Encyclopedia anyone can edit". It's more like "The encyclopedia you might be able to edit if you, your IP or your country aren't blocked".

It should be "The Encyclopedia that most can edit but few should."

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Google gives the veneer of always having an answer if it can drop back on Wikipedia. It's interesting to see what does come up on a general search, but these days the Google info box dominates the search results where it has constructed its favourite sources into a custom response. I'm guessing that...

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It would also be interesting to see if any have lost their status through being assessed for content rot, or is it once an FA, always an FA - I have no idea. There's an FA review process, where FAs can be delisted. Here's an example similar to your Springsteen example, though much more severe. Prom...

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It's actually the complete reverse. The theory is sound - humans are extraordinary altruistic, and they're used to being told how to behave, what to do, how to manage their time, even in enterprises where they are a mere volunteer, and there's little or no heirarchy. Concepts of collective purpose ...

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The OP is talking about the decline of the quality articles (example: Bruce Springsteen). You are talking about the decline in the rate of growth (example: of FAs). They are not the same thing. It does though raise an interesting way of looking at the supposed best of Wikipedia. 1) How many FAs are...

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Truth of the matter is that Wikipedia represents one of the best things the internet has to offer, that the legions of falsifiers and hacks are the foes of the project, not the allies or the essence, and that you and other "hasten-the-day" types had better damned well hope that the body of Wikipedi...

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I have acquired a basement dwelling 25 year old who got himself convinced in June he was dying of testicular cancer. When I spoke to people who were concerned for him, I pointed out the most likely diagnosis was sores caused by a complete lack of personal hygiene (still awaiting evidence of the firs...

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