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I was linked to this, so I think I'll provide a quick response :-) The stewards do not believe that they have any obligation to document what they do, to show evidence. Apologies for that. Thanks, Ajraddatz, especially thanks for showing up here. I do have a sense of what you are facing. I personal...

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Okay the Sghezza issue appears resolved; however, the resolution demonstrates how important it is to Billinghurst to preserve the appearance that nothing untoward happened. Billinghurst did, in fact, frustrate Vituzzu's obvious attempt to undo the effect of the unlock of Sghezza by Ajraddatz. https:...

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Give me a bit more time to mull over releasing those mails. So, do I have this straight? It's "uncool" to publish public information about a public political figure. It's worth "mulling over" whether to publish private information from a private figure. Do I have that right, Wil? It sounds to me th...

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... I don't actually care about the motives of the cow in the china shop; motive is not particularly relevant when they're busy smashing the plates and knocking over the pottery and leaving their patties on the floor. ... Risker 01:19, 14 June 2014 (UTC) If ArbCom were a representative body, with a...

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Midsize Jake wrote:
Zoloft wrote:It's only advice, however.
I'm still concerned about this idea that Mr. [name elided] has been wearing a pinkie ring this whole time, and we never noticed it. How could this happen?

Simple. On a wiki, reality is buried and becomes invisible in the vast flow of diffs.

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An excellent post that gets closer to blaming the software rather than the participants for Wikipedia's inherent flaws Well, the problem is not exactly the software. The existing software could readily be used. The problem is lack of community or supervisory structure. It is true that my approach i...

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I'd agree with you, but not everyone here would, it seems. Collaborating with universities is one thing - and definitely deserves high scrutiny and care. But government departments are qualitatively different from educational institutions, and this crosses the line into gross impropriety for me. An...

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After having read through the last two pages... [name elided], you're a cunt. You have the unmitigated gall to try to interfere with someone's domestic life over a website. You couch it in Grima Wormtongue's language, "All these other people are conspiring against you, m'lord". You hide behind your...

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There is a project to print leaflets on WikiProjects to hand out at Wikimania 2014. http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_Leaflets And I see there, one example: | Project name || WikiProject Medicine |- | Short Description || Imagine a world in which every single person is given free acces...

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edward, please consider removing that quote from Obi-wan. I don't believe s/he needs to apologize, but s/he has apologized to me personally and now WO on my talk page. It appears s/he preemptively reverted the comment that was quoted. Sometimes we could all use an undo. I'd be opposed to removal. W...

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I'd agree with you, but not everyone here would, it seems. Collaborating with universities is one thing - and definitely deserves high scrutiny and care. But government departments are qualitatively different from educational institutions, and this crosses the line into gross impropriety for me. An...

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This is what Vituzzu just blocked as 151.12.58.2: Ministry of Cultural Heritage and Activities (Italy) . From whois: 151.12.58.0 - 151.12.58.255. Brilliant. This would be the kind of organization that one would think it.wiki would be attempting to collaborate with. Likely Sghezza is an employee of ...

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I'd have the board meet by Skype once a week. Any non-profit board that required volunteer trustees to meet once a week would soon be an empty board. Greg has this right. The Board is for overall oversight and gravitas, and key to a functional board is the selection of trustworthy staff, which prop...

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Incoming from sj at meta, he has registered as sj' (we only allow membernames of 3 to 20 characters), and I have activated that account. Welcome Sj. I did drag your name about a bit, but I also just saw your intervention on meta, you get an A for effort, though Sghezza still can't edit. Little matt...

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Kevin Gorman is http://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/2559/2014-06-10/new-york-mags-odwyer-link-roils-wikipedia.html,cited on O'Dwyers: Gorman argued on the Talk pages that more references in “reliable sources” were needed besides the New York mag piece that referenced odwyerpr.com. He said the O’Dwy...

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alf.laylah.wa.laylah is acquiting himself very well on talk for List of Wikipedia controversies . http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AList_of_Wikipedia_controversies&diff=612520731&oldid=612471264,This conversation is downright beautiful, and it shows, very clearly, the insanity and ten...

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This is what Vituzzu just blocked as 151.12.58.2: Ministry of Cultural Heritage and Activities (Italy) . From whois: 151.12.58.0 - 151.12.58.255. Brilliant. This would be the kind of organization that one would think it.wiki would be attempting to collaborate with. Likely Sghezza is an employee of t...

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Ajraddatz has responded. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ajraddatz&oldid=8847160#Re:,To Vituzzu: Re: Actually it was him almost for sure, but nvm, I no longer care about it, see ya. --Vituzzu 08:17, 11 June 2014 (UTC) Obviously you do if you globally block his IP. How do you k...

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It's a sort of ad hominem defence - you aren't allowed to point out a problem if you are not able to provide a solution. Yep. Seen all the time as "WP:SOFIXIT". Poison. SOFIXIT is a rational response if the complainant has the power to fix it. However, some problems are complex and fixing them not ...

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Okay, as described above, on meta, steward Ajraddatz was asked by Sghezza, editing as IP 151.12.58.2, for unlock, and Ajraddatz referred him to the locking steward, Vituzzu. my account Sghezza is globally locked since this my post user talk:Tnxman307#Unblock. What's happen? I consider globally locke...

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Meantime looks like now we have one more controversy to report. I mean controversy of refusing to add the banning controversy to the list of controversies . Awesome! Now if we can just get to a third level of recursion, we'll break our previous record! :) (Just to make things easier for folks, no n...

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:popcorn: -- with butter! A new argument was raised, it may have been mentioned before and I didn't notice. Oppose This article primarily concerns controversies concerning encyclopedic content and the governance of that content. A wikiconference can exclude whoever it wants and that is only a big de...

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To reiterate, the issue on the List of Wikipedia controversies page is not whether or not it was an error to exclude Kohs from the WikiConference, the issue is whether or not the incident is sufficiently notable to be covered on that page. That's a fairly basic question in Wikipedia policy, and it t...

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NYB is not amused by the controversy: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_Wikipedia_controversies&curid=39122482&diff=612441889&oldid=612441768 "No further time and effort should at present be spent on this feigned and manufactured controversy. It appears that this article and i...

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Mr. Samuel Klein has been very active on Wil's page. In particular he commented on WO http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wllm&diff=prev&oldid=611758200 So you can absolutely find here on en:WP similar unkind and counterproductive attacks, if you seek that out. However here it is ex...

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Eric makes a brilliant point, echoing DGG. I think Eric's smoking gun here is that the author was "DGG". That's David Goodman who co-chaired the fraudulently-conceived discussion panel about paid editing at the WikiConference USA. And Goodman had the nerve to vote "Keep" on a wiki-biography about m...

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I just want to call attention to this post. Eric makes a brilliant point, echoing DGG. The deletion is as DGG claimed: an admission of abject failure and incapacity. Basically, the cabal knows that Wikipedia is broken, that it cannot be neutral, but won't allow it to be fixed. The "cabal" is not an ...

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Does that tip this issue for List of WP controversies or do the editors need to write a few more articles to satisfy the cowards on en.wp? I don't see this link as necessarily tipping the balance in a major way. It's the same source, after all. However, there are, as I've shown now, three stories i...

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So, I thought, O'Dwyers seems to be regularly publishing a wealth of material about notable individuals, companies, and events. Surely there would be extensive linking to the site. There are links. Not extensive, but still not just a couple. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSear...

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O'Dwyer's had http://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/2510/2014-06-02/pr-wikipedia-hash-things-out.html,another story on the WikiConference, I haven't seen mentioned here. This first story did not mention Kohs. According to the story, O'Dwyer's staffers attended WikiConference meetings. That story was ...

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Meanwhile: http://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/2559/2014-06-10/new-york-mags-odwyer-link-roils-wikipedia.html,O'Dwyer's has noticed the flap. Basically, by trying to keep it out, you drew attention to it. O'Dwyers is a respected publication, as far as I can tell. Where the idea came from that they ...

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I don't see that anyone here linked to the ongoing discussion of coverage of the Great Wikiconference Controversy of 2014, on Talk:List of Wikipedia controversies. . Ugh. That resolves to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Wikipedia_controversies. With a period. Needs to be Talk:List of Wiki...

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So, shortly after http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_Wikipedia_controversies&diff=612313275&oldid=612312090,saying that he wasn't throwing in the towel, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_Wikipedia_controversies&oldid=612355778#Forget_about_it,Wllm threw in th...

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Let me put it this way. I found it easier to do what I wanted to do, being blocked, than not being blocked and trying to deal with the mass of restrictions that had been created. Congratulations. You've just rediscovered something I've been saying for years: you don't have to log into Wikipedia to ...

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Also, agreed, I'm personally more afraid of mice than of Kohs. I pretty much hate mice, and would be totally up for going out to lunch with Kohs at some point. Well, I was warming up to Gorman, but then he made that gratuitous remark about mice, and my daughter would hate me if I didn't ritually sp...

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I don't see that anyone here linked to the ongoing discussion of coverage of the Great Wikiconference Controversy of 2014, on Talk:List of Wikipedia controversies. . I did cover this in the http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=98866#p98866,Sekrit Member Forum here. There is a "informal Rf...

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Why don't we take the "lazy" way out and create a fabulous search engine that gathers the best information possible on any given subject for a user to peruse? That would be better than trying to create a better version of Wikipedia. That is what Google is set up to do, or at least attempts to do, u...

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Vituzzu is also not a checkuser on loginwiki. He can assign himself that right at will . Thanks, yes. I knew he could assign it, but had been unable to find the log with the magic combination of parameters. I did find it, after writing that. For Billinghurst, see the https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/in...

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It strikes me that after Ms. T's teahouse break, we should invite her here for an "Ask us anything" session. I think it would be great if she stopped by. Unfortunately its unlikely to happen because the WMF'ers have this ingrained sense about this site that we are all the devil and nothing but a bu...

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it slowly chugs away in an endless circle on a lake of... well, you know what it's a lake of. "digested knowledge" "ignited digested knowledge" Nah, ignited would create too much light. Excreted. Seriously, I wish Lila all success. My advice is to listen, listen, listen, say little, announce little...

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We'll see how Vituzzu's response goes. It's not impossible he will look at the case and find a reason to unlock. I'm just not holding my breath, though. He has confessed a hatred of "promotion," and a complete disdain for policy. We will also see if, should Vituzzu blow off the IP -- or block it, h...

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Back in April 2008, Raul was very upset by my (what I thought was) civil, reasoned appearance on Episode #6 of Not The Wikipedia Weekly . Namely, he said or implied that I am either a "liar" or a "fool", because I said that when MyWikiBiz was conceived, Wikipedia has a Reward Board that encouraged ...

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His WP user logs indicate that he stopped reading Wikipedia in about February 2013. He's still an autoreviewer, so certain read actions would show up, as they had been showing up. What logs are these? I was in error about the meaning of the patrol log. So, never mind. I'll strike if I can still edi...

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Speaking in terms of theory, it seems logical that a Wikipedia replacement would start as a fork of WP that is pared down and checked. Aside from the fact that this would be an expensive process and that there would doubtlessly be advertising back of it — would users actually find sufficient value ...

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Raul had been more King of Wikipedia, operationally, than Jimbo was. It looks like he simply lost interest. No money, no payoff in it. To be fair, he has been essentially gone since the end of 2012. It's not like he left in a huff after being replaced or not replaced. He was already out the door. W...

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A better example of an effort like the Cosmos Project would be Knol . A http://slashdot.org/story/08/02/15/177258/the-knol-hypothesis,Slashdot column pointed out in 2008 why Veropedia and Citizendium were doomed. A brief look at Knol is enough to show why this model failed. It did introduce certain ...

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Basically, Greg, you were blowing smoke, making up reasons why "it is impossible," I wasn't blowing smoke. But, I will be delighted for you to prove me wrong when we see the successful launch of Betterpedia, and it achieves 10% of Wikipedia's traffic volume. In fact, when that happens, within 12 mo...

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... I have a better idea. Suppose I could shit turds made of gold. No doubt you would post links to where they were published on examiner.com. Aww.. and you were doing so well. It's all right. I chuckled. Not as much as I chuckled when I read this , though. Endlessly amused by yourself, Greg. Not b...

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What is "this work"? Does this refer to the entire project, or to each page? And has any of this been tested, legally? If I create a pile of pages, and some are from Wikipedia, and some are not, and I put them up on a web site, am I obligated to release everything I do on the entire site under that...

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Behind the license argument seems to be an assumption, that all of NewSite's content would be released under the same license. And for good reason, because the Wikipedia CC-by-SA license states: If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the s...

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