Wikipediocracy

Casliber

I can't look at that without being reminded of, "It's German for "The Bart, the!" "

Casliber

But seriously...the post is pretty much on par with many of Musk's posts. Just....how does someone like this become successful in the first place. scratching my head...

Casliber

Zoloft wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:30 am
Oddly enough, I actually enjoy reading some of his stuff. It can be entertaining. I wish he'd put that creative energy into something useful. He reminds me of a wrought iron guy I used to work with.

You're easily entertained then

Casliber

Vigilant wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:31 am
Swine at the trough.

Awww...I liked Sue. She was happy to judge some core contest competitions with me

Casliber

Wikipedia doesn't have any editors in the usual sense of the word. There's nobody who has the authority to review an article and tell the author to go back and fix it. Well, no editors as such but lots of processes (DYK/GA/FA/OTD/ITN etc.) where people tell other people to fix things all the time.

Casliber

Too used to twitter and hitting "like" buttons......sigh

Casliber

It takes this article a while to get to the point, but once there, it's a good point that we're all mostly familiar with: ...What gives Wikipedia a central place in data heaven is that popular algorithms that lead us around by the nose go to the site to learn. AI reinforces whatever biases are put ...

Casliber

the names sound really cool though. Next time I write up a D&D or Call of Cthulhu campaign or module I might used them

Casliber

Zoloft wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:55 pm
Just remember, if you need responsible oversight of Wikipedia or the WMF, you're forced to come here.

that made me chuckle today

Casliber

Wikipedia has in some respects impoverished knowledge. It has driven good, reliable data sources out of existence. Mistakes (whether good faith, extreme POV or vandalism) in Wikipedia have polluted other sources. What good reliable data sources are you referring to? Reference works that have ceased...

Casliber

Wikipedia has in some respects impoverished knowledge. It has driven good, reliable data sources out of existence. Mistakes (whether good faith, extreme POV or vandalism) in Wikipedia have polluted other sources. What good reliable data sources are you referring to? Reference works that have ceased...

Casliber

Poetlister wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:59 pm
Wikipedia has in some respects impoverished knowledge. It has driven good, reliable data sources out of existence. Mistakes (whether good faith, extreme POV or vandalism) in Wikipedia have polluted other sources.

What good reliable data sources are you referring to?

Casliber

I feel the need to say something I believe I've said before on one of these forums. If you want to go edit Wikipedia, go edit Wikipedia. The only person who can stop you from doing that is you. If you let the forces of injustice we all have seen here that run Wikipedia change that belief, then you ...

Casliber

Guerillero's low placing is likely due to not being well so well known anymore. As an ex-arb and a current clerk I had more or less assumed he'd get in. He has the highest number of neutral votes, which is a pretty strong indicator that people just didn't know what to think of him. He did respond t...

Casliber

I would like to read Crows Nest on this because he's given it a lot of attention. Perhaps somebody would like to bring it up on Reddit. You could bring it up. There's no barrier to entry to post on reddit. You literally can create a new account for every post you make there. They don't care. I am r...

Casliber

Was reading some of the back-story here: https://arstechnica.com/features/2007/02/citizendium/ The USP is apparently "gentle expert guidance". Doesn’t sound promising: it’s probably quicker for the expert just to to write the article than try to guide a non-expert to do so (isn’t this just Nupedia ...

Casliber

hadn't looked over there in a while... it's super sad. An average of 1-3 users a day, 1-20 edits a day. Why bother. Yes, a great pity. The Internet needs something like what Citizendium ought to, and probably could, have been. why Because it would be vastly better than Wikipedia. Maybe with far few...

Casliber

hadn't looked over there in a while... it's super sad. An average of 1-3 users a day, 1-20 edits a day. Why bother. Yes, a great pity. The Internet needs something like what Citizendium ought to, and probably could, have been. why Because it would be vastly better than Wikipedia. Maybe with far few...

Casliber

There was discussion of this like two days ago on-wiki. My theory (because I've done it as well) as that a lot of people wait to see if there's enough good candidates that they could support to fill all the open seats. When they don't feel like they see that by the last day or two they go ahead put...

Casliber

Poetlister wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:10 pm

Beeblebrox wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:51 am
hadn't looked over there in a while... it's super sad. An average of 1-3 users a day, 1-20 edits a day. Why bother.
Yes, a great pity. The Internet needs something like what Citizendium ought to, and probably could, have been.

why

Casliber

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Casl ... ar_culture

one day I will make this an article again...

Casliber

Can anyone identify a fork that has been successful to date?

Casliber

He isn't breaking the arbcom ruling by doing what he wants on some other website not in any way under the control of arbcom or the WMF. Circumventing it, yes, but not in a manner that violates the ruling. Splitting hairs, especially for a board member with fiduciary duty. I don't see how it is hair...

Casliber

Quick, somebody log into Citizendium and write some reliably sourced content that Larry has come out as a raving right-wing nutbag! Does anyone here have a Citizendium account? I seem to recall you had to apply to join it and be approved. That's right, and you have to use a real, verified name, as ...

Casliber

Medical information is of course one of the areas where Wikipedia can easily do the most harm. It's vaguely reassuring that there are qualified doctors working in the area, but the only responsible thing to do is fully protect every single article in that area, broadly construed, and only allow ide...

Casliber

Death To Wikipedia wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:24 am
Wikipedia is and always was an ultra niche hobby, simply a selfish distraction for most, and a means to an end for a few extremists bent on erasing traditional modes of learning.....

Speaking for yourself then are you? That might describe a minority, but not alot of people.

Casliber

Vigilant wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:18 am

Midsize Jake wrote:there are a few phpBB forums that allow guest-posting. But generally speaking you get about 50 pure spam posts for every one that isn't spam, and of the ones that aren't spam, most of those are actually worse than spam.
Can we be the next 4chan?

8chan dude

Casliber

Vigilant wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:39 pm
Sorry for the lack of clarity.

I meant that prior to Fram, this is not a possible outcome for the evidence presented nor the acts described.

The terrain has changed.

Can you point to a specific older case to support this observation?

Casliber

I cannot tell if User:SMcCandlish/Arbitration Committee Elections 2019 is a parody or not. It starts amusingly enough, supporting obviously ill-suited candidates with the rationale that their severe personality deficiencies are likely to be soothed by, rather than aggravated by, being on ArbCom. An...

Casliber

Arbitration on-wiki is very different from the real world. That's because what you people call "arbitration" is not actually arbitration. What happens in the arbitration process is more about virtue signalling and community value reinforcement than it is about issue adjudication. Generally, the par...

Casliber

I'd prefer that there were some people on ARBCOM with actual successful arbitration experience from the real world... The name of the committee is a misnomer. In the words of Kelly Martin, posted at WPO on Feb. 1, 2015: The ArbCom is in fact the disciplinary committee of an unincorporated voluntary...

Casliber

This is nuts. I threw in because I still didn't see enough obvious supports. Now my heads spinning. I know there's always a surge at the last minute, but 23 candidates is a lot. Nomination in the last moments tells a lot about a person. Last-day arrivals are by default untrustable for me. Oh I dunn...

Casliber

Beeblebrox wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:10 am
This is nuts. I threw in because I still didn't see enough obvious supports. Now my heads spinning. I know there's always a surge at the last minute, but 23 candidates is a lot.

Just think of the election as a big warm friendly hot-tub and enjoy the ride

Casliber

Former Arb and current Oversighter Thryduulf has thrown his hat into the ring. Another easy winner; what's that leave, four open seats to be filled? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2019/Candidates/Thryduulf/Statement Interesting observation: I don't ...

Casliber

It amuses (well, saddens) me when Americans revise the anticommunist Pol Pot regime as communist...depths of stupid...sigh

Casliber

Jans Hammer wrote:
Beeblebrox wrote:much ado about nothing
as you like it!

all's well that ends well....sigh

Casliber

Wikipedia is knee deep in trivia. How many articles are there on ghost towns with zero population? Well, that they have zero population now doesn't necessarily make them uninteresting. Any more than the fact that Abraham Lincoln is now dead makes him uninteresting. The interesting bit is what were ...

Casliber

8:30 am on the West coast of the USA and it's down to 68%. Fram is fucked. RfB P.S. With the strange bedfellows I have made, I'm now feeling more than a little nauseous myself... "nauseated" is a more exacting adjective than "nauseous". Also "strange bedfellows" has been a feature of all wikipedia ...

Casliber

I dunno. The thought did cross my mind (only after my initial replies above) that some arbs and ex-arbs might well complain to T&S if I went too far. Now, on Wikipedia it is fairly clear what the rules are about off-wiki conduct and where various people draw the lines in various circumstances, but ...

Casliber

Guido den Broeder wrote:
Vigilant wrote:Doc James has a few things to answer for as well.
Absolutely. Starting with some very dubious edits to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

Oh yeah? Please enlighten us! Mods....maybe a new thread...

Casliber

Currently, 'arbitrators' are selected by having 100 random dipshits vote in a middle school style popularity contest for a smaller bunch of dipshits who have no education, training or experience in actual arbitration after which the even smaller group of 'elected' 'arbitrators' sit in judgement ove...

Casliber

It the end, it doesn't matter. I resigned the bit, tried to talk with the CEO and like a fool, didn't realize her position was just a title. She isn't in charge of anything and has no authority. The board runs the show, Katherine is a figurehead used for fundraising. Nothing against her, I'm sure s...

Casliber

Even if all participants behave in a perfectly civil manner, the majority are morons and the content will remain wildly inaccurate. Even if all participants behave in a perfectly civil manner, the majority are morons and the content will remain wildly inaccurate. Here's one fairly simple way for th...

Casliber

Kumioko wrote:I think it's funny how all these newspapers and magazines are trying to make a someone out of a nobody.

No different from most flavours of reality TV....

Casliber

The article on Donald Trump tells us his nickname is "The Donald" in the lead, unlike the WP one. Conservapedia still seems to have active editing, but I don't recall if it is less or more active than a few years ago.

Casliber

Something that has bugged me is , what was Crowsnest's Wikipedia username ??? Has Crowsnest ever even had a Wikipedia account?? I mean there has to be a reason for their bitterness at Ritchie333 (calling Ritchie333 a offensive name). In some disturbing ways Crowsnest reminds me a lot of MMAR. I am ...

Casliber

Why does Wikipedia have just one article on each topic? With the massive amount of traffic it gets today, in 2018, surely there could be many competing articles. There could be competition. Are Wikipedians afraid of competition? I remain unconvinced that having two "pizzagate" articles is an improv...

Casliber

Only Arbcom can desysop, yet Arbcom cannot do anything without community consensus. But attempts to gather that community consensus will usually be closed as out of process, as desysop attempts are generally sent to filing a case request at Arbcom. And then the case will more often be declined as p...

Casliber

Only Arbcom can desysop, yet Arbcom cannot do anything without community consensus. But attempts to gather that community consensus will usually be closed as out of process, as desysop attempts are generally sent to filing a case request at Arbcom. And then the case will more often be declined as p...

Casliber

DHeyward wrote:It's no different than wikipedia (and wikipedia is no different than conservapedia or any other pedia made up of a community). It reflects the beliefs of the people that contribute to it.

That's a bit like saying the Good News Bible is no different to (say) the Encyclopedia Brittanica....

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