Wikipediocracy

jd turk

Ok, you've convinced me that you really are a moron and that it's probably terminal. A good day to you sir! And yet, I've been trying to point out to you that I agree with you for two days now. To sum up, I made an analogy you didn't like. In your rush to insult me, you said something utterly untru...

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Looks like the only thing relevant is this... On July 11, 2013 several long-time supporters spoke to the media to call for Filner's resignation as mayor based on numerous allegations against him of sexual harassment. He has yet to respond. [http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/Jul/11/filner-backers-n...

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It was your (profoundly stupid) analogy. And stuff what I don't "understand." That you come off as stupid when you say stupid things and then double down on them is not my problem. It does rather increase my suspicion that you "are" stupid but further study is needed. If my analogy didn't work for ...

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A high edit count doing meaningless tasks for hours a day, day after day, suggest to me the editor is emotionally damaged and looking for diversion or something. Couple this with negligible content creation, and it should disqualify an editor from adminship, in my opinion. Full agreement on this on...

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And all but one of them played football at an incredible high level you dolt (and the one who didn't was an NFL insider from the age of 8; he was also a failure). Can we just retire this analogy? I thought it would be universal, but you just don't understand football and you're already into name-ca...

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Well, it's a bit out of date (and really completely off topic, sorry) but here is your legwork . Man, you really can find anything on the internet. Nice job, 86Mookie. At this point, I apologize for bringing up the comparison, since it's kind of derailed the overall discussion. But three years ago,...

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Lots of NFL coaches never played in the NFL? You betcha. But all of them played for at least six years (and usually longer) at a very high level. The point is they played and they knew the game before anyone would let them be a coach. Not so at Wikipedia. I haven't done the legwork on this one, but...

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That might be great for football, i don't know, but I wouldn't necessarily apply it to writing an encyclopedia. Prison guards don't come from the prisoner pool either, and as an analogy is probably just as [ir]relevant to writing an encyclopedia. That's some high-quality gibberish you've got there....

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Why don't the rest of the admins and editors step in and tell the to fuck right off? Because that's what the vast majority of editors and admins are there for. Without the social aspects of Wikipedia, not a lot would get done. You want to change things? Shut down IRC, and get rid of the "email this...

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Content creation in terms of gauging an admin's worth is a smokescreen. They should definitely be able to write, and they should certainly have an appreciation for content and contributors, but an admin should most importantly be able to actually help the running of the encyclopedia. Just being able...

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I think Wikipdia has to be left to the childen now. A pity, because I once did really believe in the idea. The "idea" is that you take your skills and donate them for free to a system that profits from you and refuses to even acknowledge your gifts. That way people who don't have a tenth of your ab...

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I think Wikipdia has to be left to the childen now. A pity, because I once did really believe in the idea. The "idea" is that you take your skills and donate them for free to a system that profits from you and refuses to even acknowledge your gifts. That way people who don't have a tenth of your ab...

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You may say Wikipedia doesn't need good writers, only contributors. But it's also a question of what level of competence you want to set as a minimum standard for participation, and what sort of average capability you want to strive for on something purporting to be an encyclopedia project. Inglok ...

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Fram has his function at WP as a rule enforcer, for sure, but I'm pretty much of the belief that he is temperamentally unsuited to having block or deletion buttons. Put simply: he's a hothead. He needs the tool box for his work at Contributor Copyright Investigations, but definitely needs to be ver...

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Vigilant wrote:Readers don't give a flying fuck about FA/GA status.
It's internal wiki-masturbation and counting coup.

Exactly.

"I've written twenty Featured Articles for one of the top websites in the world!"

"Really? Cool. Now can I have my fries, please?"

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Malleus wrote:
jd turk wrote: I just don't see why people who can write and are "tireless, generous contributors" do it, especially once they've seen how little respect WP actually has for them.
Neither can I.

Glad to have you on board, Malleus.

jd turk

The main reason people like Eric are needed on Wikipedia is that he brings articles up to a finished, quality level. Without the few editors like him, Wikipedia's high-profile articles never reach that level. Sure. But again, who cares? When people go to WP they're looking for an article on somethi...

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I supported the block, for his treatment of relatively new editor Inglok on his talk page and his treatment of Timeshifter on a project page. We don't need that. Wikipedia doesn't need good writers, it just needs contributors. Sure, they pretend to value FA's and the like, but what they really need...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=562989425&oldid=562989316 More important, we have already lost (hopefully only temporarily) the services of one two good admins, do we continue this so we can inflict more collateral damage? Does somebody know ...

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neved wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =562833163
You might as well make the block indefinite, as I won't be coming back here while those like you are in charge.

Well, that's one way to celebrate independence.

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Captain Occam wrote:I also suspect he'll be unblocked before the 24 hours are up. Every other time he's been blocked, he's been able to find an admin willing to unblock him early.

Less than two hours. Good call.

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Volunteer Marek wrote:File an WP:AE motion if this was an ArbCom decision.

Definitely. The push to reinstate YRC cratered rather quickly, he couldn't even keep a straight face in trying. However, if there's more spectator sport comedy to be had here, by all means.

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I haven't even strolled on over to WP here, but Coffeepusher's style of proving his point by ignoring direct questions and throwing out sock and meat allegations is quite telling. You win WP wars by fighting long, boring, tedious wars of attrition.

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Your message is pretty harsh . Can you please tone it down? As I've stated above , this isn't entirely Kevin Murray's fault. As the thekohser noted above , Kevin Murray has (or had) a habit of moving text from one enwiki article to another without providing a note about where the text was moved fro...

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Oh, crap.

That certainly does appear to be exactly how that went down, doesn't it?

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I hadn't seen this thread in a few days, so I didn't have any idea what happened. I went to Wikipedia to see the page, and there's absolutely nothing there that would indicate what happened. No block notice, no explanation, nothing. If I didn't know about this site, I'd have no idea what went down. ...

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http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=30129

Recently posted on another thread, film producer Don Murphy (Natural Born Killers, Transformers, I'm Gonna Get You Prioryman).

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That was the film producer, wasn't it? Can't remember his name, but he struck back with a vengeance.

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This has been done to death, but here goes again: the reason some seek pseudonymity is to free themselves to act inappropriately, ignoring social norms. But for others, it is to protect against those idiots, and those like them whose very unimportance is their best defense. Crazy people don't know ...

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People are now going after Mr. Young on Amazon. See the newest reviews on his books. http://www.amazon.com/Robert-Clark-Young/e/B000APLEZK/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1369098582&sr=1-2-ent This scandal is going to hit him hard in his wallet, isn't it? I'd be surprised if anything was hitting him in his walle...

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Ironholds stepped in to stop the grave-dancing on Qworty's user page and gave a most apt justification . A fine job there sir. SB Johnny has now locked Qworty's talk page, but not the user page, which doesn't seem to make any sense at all. "That ends the discussion, kids, go forth and make sweeping...

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I suspect it's pretty common to find people editing biography articles who have some connection to the article's subject. Absolutely, although these are the kind of people who usually don't have any background in editing and aren't aware of what will happen (usually) if they admit to having any con...

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Qworty brought his gang with him on every article (and editor) he screwed with. Now that he's banned, if people or someone went back to cleaning up articles, do you think it would it trigger for Little Green Rosetta, Coffeepusher to come by to screw with the articles or the editor again? I realize ...

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Now that Qworty is banned. So, what's in stored next? Clean up of all the articles he touched? Anyone knows? What about Qworty's team sheeple team members like Little Green Rosetta, Coffeepusher, etc? What happens to them? They have been just as abusive as he was. I think the answer to all of your ...

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They do have higher status, which flows from greater power. They have the power to block other editors, interpret arbitration edicts ("aribtration enforcement") tell people they're banned from certain topics or interacting with certain people. Even a lot of the "routine" stiff does confirm status. ...

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On the Qworty user page now, the header above the WP links says They show how Wikipedia works to correct abuse. I initially thought this was pretty funny, but upon thinking about it further, it's absolutely right. The links show that he should have been blocked for socking six years ago and wasn't. ...

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Little Green Rosetta will never admit to her wrongdoings in being a partner-in-crime and Qworty's attack dog. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Amanda_Filipacchi&diff=next&oldid=555553674,This is mildly interesting. Even today LGR seemed to be trying to scrub things with her last edit ...

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Midsize Jake wrote:Who's an admin? Little green rosetta (T-C-L)? He/she is not an admin, though he/she clearly would like to be one someday.

Doink. You are correct, sir, apologies. Although she certainly has the angry admin cadence down, you're right.

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How is it possible that she's still an admin after that? Admins: Don't apologize, you're never wrong. Oh, no. LGR is too polite and mature for any nastiness. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALittle_green_rosetta&action=historysubmit&diff=555568866&oldid=555568311 Trolls will ki...

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Vigilant wrote:How is it possible that she's still an admin after that?

Admins: Don't apologize, you're never wrong.

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So, why isn't this guy permabanned yet? I'm not seeing an ANI thread, no ARBCOM case. A couple of people doing edging work around some of the articles he's created as puff pieces. When does JUSTICE come crashing down on Qworty's head? There's no justice. This human footnote of a writer might eventu...

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tarantino wrote:Here you go:

Revenge, ego, and the corruption of Wikipedia

Really good work on all fronts. Nicely done, and in a way that the majority of people who look at WP without editing it should be able to understand.

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They were at worst, a bit puffery. Some quite puffery. The correct response is to re-word (if the sources and info are good enough) and drop a polite note on the subjects talk page (or article talkpage) advising to use more neutral language. Generally when I do this the subject gets the point and i...

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Were any of the edits supplied by the subject actual violations of COI editing? Or were they just thrown out because they came from the subject, rather than from The Body?

Those who can, do. Those who can't bitch about it on the internet.

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His points are all valid ones, and well expressed. The one about "why bother improving when any vandal can ruin it" is the one that ultimately led me to leave. It just wasn't worth the time. The responses are depressingly closed-minded. Yeah, that's a fine illustration for why things are falling of...

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Mathsci wrote:
Captain Occam wrote:TDA, whenever you're planning to get more involved in race articles ....
Internet troll to the rescue

Ah, lovely. Can't wait to see how that twisted line of logic plays out.

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I pointed out that YRC was blocked because he didn't play the MMORPG in the right way, and got jumped on by several of the True Believers(tm). Eh, YRC got the axe because he has delusions of grandeur. He's a big fan of the "content over civility" way of thought, but he has no content. The only thin...

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Hex wrote:Step 1: Take control of ArbCom
Step 2: ???
Step 3: World Domination!

Ah, I love to see the real-world usages of the Underwear Gnome schemes. Makes sense to me.

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So, you're a dick everywhere? Appears to be. This is a fine example of the untouchable nature of admins, for future reference. Hex made a bad block, was a dick about it, ignored the discussion until apparently he realized it was going to Arbcom, and doesn't seem to be any part of any admin cabals, ...

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Annnnnnnd, never mind. Nothing happened, as fully expected.

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