Wikipediocracy

Ryuichi

Randy from Boise wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 26, 2024 6:04 pm
It took a surprisingly long time to click that many OPPOSE buttons. I need a stylus and a Wacom tablet or something.

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An "oppose all" button would have been appreciated.

Ryuichi

Just when it looked like Wikipedia had reached peak fucking-everything-up, they've managed to surpass themselves once more. Some bright spark named KlayCax has just closed the 'Where is Kate?' AfD as 'no consensus', only for it to be immediately reverted by Silver seren . As far as I can see, the A...

Ryuichi

Look at AFD. The debates with a few comments and a clear result get closed on time. Longer debates with people repeating themselves over and over and coming up with bizarre arguemnts stay open past their closing date because it isn't as easy, and it can be downright annoying reading some of the stu...

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This I completely fucking hate ... 1) The purpose of Wikipedia is to create a high-quality, free-content encyclopedia in an atmosphere of camaraderie and mutual respect among contributors. Contributors whose actions are detrimental to that goal may be asked to refrain from them, even when these act...

Ryuichi

Silent Editor wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:31 am
There is some great hubris involved in HJ Mitchell continuing to participate when a third of his colleagues don't think he should.

To be fair, I don't think he should recuse.

He should resign.

Ryuichi

Neither needs nor warrants a new policy, particularly one tied to "notability", because: WP:BLPPRIVACY should already cover this because it says: articles should not include postal addresses… If you see personal information such as phone numbers, addresses, account numbers, etc. in a BLP or anywhere...

Ryuichi

Kraken wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:30 pm
I've been astounded by Harry's repeated insistence. He hasn't given an inch. It is extremely unsettling behavior in an Arb.

In contrast, I find myself completely unsurprised.

Ryuichi

Ryuichi wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:00 am
Reliability is always in the context of how the source is used.

Reliability is also always in the context of how the source uses the material.

As a generalisation, if it's not the main topic of the source, it's probably not as reliable as one might wish it to be.

Ryuichi

These are wise insights. I mean, I know that every source has a bias, but it seems easier to argue whether or not a given source is reliable than to say how it should or shouldn't be used Reliability is always in the context of how the source is used. As a simplistic example, I've had some quite ro...

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Ron Lybonly wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:38 am
See:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/StoneToss (T-H-L)

Some profoundly weak !(!votes) there.

Ryuichi

Yamato wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:16 am
“Th” stands for thopic ban incoming.

In line with the thoughts of our very own Tim: at the end of the Supports, there's a couple of high quality "lodestars"; both Opposes.

Ryuichi

orangepi wrote: ↑
Sun Mar 17, 2024 12:20 am
It is one of those arguments where it turns out not to matter what is said; you are both losers for participating.

I am given to understand that the pig usually finds this sort of muddy experience enjoyable.

Ryuichi

Awww... but you gotta give her the chance to do the restitution and reconciliation. Step 9 of AA and lovingly incorporated into official church doctrine : From the perspective of the other people involved, Step 9 is not always a good thing. Sometimes it's better to allow people to quietly move on w...

Ryuichi

Is it a COI if a member of Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia edits the article for twelve years ? Nope. 990609853 Thanks for the link! I agree that membership in a large organization isn't necessarily an issue (Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia has 125,000+ living members). I would however say that they have a latent COI ...

Ryuichi

Lower the bar to entry &/or set some objective criteria. Make RfA less of a political shartfest. I did mean the first sentence quite literally, and the second as an outcome of the first. If the passing percentage at RfA were to be cut 10-20%, what would that mean for the admin sausage at the end of...

Ryuichi

There is lots of work that needs tended to, that does not require administrator privileges, that I do because virtually nobody else does it. What kind of stuff? Speaking generally and not just for No Ledge: Page moves, grammar clean up, adding citations & removing cn tags, clarifying & removing cla...

Ryuichi

There is already a critical shortage of admins when you're looking at it this way, rather than the ol "there's never too much of a backlog at ANI" metric. All of the admin tasks that take significant amounts of time are woefully understaffed. AE, AN/ANI closures, CTOP patrolling, and everything alo...

Ryuichi

There is already a critical shortage of admins when you're looking at it this way, rather than the ol "there's never too much of a backlog at ANI" metric. All of the admin tasks that take significant amounts of time are woefully understaffed. AE, AN/ANI closures, CTOP patrolling, and everything alo...

Ryuichi

Personally, I do think they should be worried now, because even as technology advances, human civilization is currently in decline (due in no small part to the internet and sites like Wikipedia, if not Wikipedia specifically). That decline has already caused people to try to falsify and distort rea...

Ryuichi

Editing with a COI is not the same as COI editing. Adding someone's book isn't exactly violating WP:COIU, in that it is an unambiguously uncontroversial edit. Primefac (talk) 13:01, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply] To clarify my above comment, editors with a COI are allowed to make uncontroversial edi...

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As Rotary Engine wrote, an 11-5 majority concurred that admonishing Nihonjoe at AN was necessary, but the thread was closed without any such action. It does look like ArbCom might at least fix that to rein in the buro-hubris, right? I bet Nihonjoe is sitting in Utah mopping his brow and thinking ab...

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Statement by Banedon Re: HJ Mitchell - I think the main question(s) Arbcom should resolve are: 1. Was Nihonjoe's non-disclosure of COI defensible? (I.e., did he/she have good reason not to reveal it?) 2. Were Nihonjoe's edits to the article OK? (I.e., if we took a hundred different edits to the art...

Ryuichi

Háčky wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 02, 2024 1:44 am

Ming wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:10 pm
Encino Park and Ride (T-H-L)
The infobox should also be pared down, as it will be difficult to keep it updated with the number of free parking spaces as commuters come and go throughout the day.

I believe that may be "free as in beer", not free as in unoccupied.

Ryuichi

An actor commits ritual abuse of a child if the actor, as part of a ritual, intentionally or knowingly; Causes a child to participate in or witness: ... the ingestion or external application of an organic substance or material; or Do the Utah legislators then think that it's ok to cause a child to ...

Ryuichi

Aye. This is what I don't get: If you edit across such a broad range of topics that are so closely tied to you - your family, your employer, your books, your publications - and for which there is such a strong degree of conflict of interest, that you make it easy and obvious to identify you as an in...

Ryuichi

Can someone please tell me why non-admins should even have the capability to close discussions? Unless there's a valid-enough reason we already deal with enough controversial admin closes it's probably time to remove the capability to add the extra factor of a bad non -admin close (such as the 4th ...

Ryuichi

Kraken wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:31 pm

Ryuichi wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:07 pm
MODS: Request merge of viewtopic.php?f=14&t=13410 into this thread.
Can I ask why?

Karasu-kun,
Because that and this are the same.

Ryuichi

MODS: Request merge of viewtopic.php?f=14&t=13410 into this thread.

Ryuichi

If GoodDay was banned from talk pages and project space, would there really be any loss to Wikipedia? I think it's inarguable there would be a benefit. Trying to consider the proportion of Wikipedia editors for which this would be true. And then, the proportion of Wikipedia editors who would consid...

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Oh he didn't say it at a notice board? The capitalization thing seems to be on all of them. I just assumed. That explains everything, thanks It was apparently at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests , which is a noticeboard in one sense; but not in the sense of "this is a place to discuss e...

Ryuichi

Former RFA retiree and experienced closer now violating the first law of holes by inventing policies to justify closing an RM discussion in favour of his preferred version. Closers are required to look for this and must be able to discern a "responsible Wikipedian" from someone else. Closers must go...

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Elinruby wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:08 am
(posting here to keep it from coming out of my mouth at AN)
As impatient as I am with the capitalization warriors, I have to say that "obstructionist" is a word we really need to be able to use at a notice board, because there are a lot of obstructionists at Wikipedia.

Ryuichi

#REDIRECT [[Special:RecentChanges]]

Ryuichi

I believe I recall that there were technical concerns over the scalability of the "secure poll" software. Something along the lines of the WMF could only support one "secure poll" at a time and English Wikipedia hyper-use of polling could lock out other projects. They also need the software to get ...

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If it hadn't been for Cee Oh Eye Joe Wouldn’t have an article long time ago Where did you come from, where did you go? When did you work there, Cee Oh Eye Joe? If it hadn't been for Cee Oh Eye Joe Firm wasn’t notable long time ago Where did you come from, where did you go? How in Hell did you make ...

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Randy from Boise wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:21 am
I'm not gonna play fucking games with you. Post your links.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... y,_friends

Ryuichi

People, many of them, are actually opposing that Nihonjoe is formally admonished. Not even any kind of sanction, not having his tools removed, not getting blocked or anything. Just told by an Arb that he' shouldn't do that and to never do it again. Even that is too much for these lickspittles. And ...

Ryuichi

dumber than a pile of steaming shit.

Sources reliably inform that the shit is offended by this comparison.

Doesn't really give the impression of a behind-the-scenes investigation in full swing.

Yet again, a straight slate of "No" seems prescient.

Ryuichi

Wikiguy.DC wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:35 pm
FWIW, DMacks (T-C-L) not Primefac is the one who made the revision deletions.

Not revdels; ... suppressions ... or "over sizzles", please.

Ryuichi

Vigilant wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 26, 2024 3:23 pm
Fram seems to be the only one with sense in that thread.

For all his faults, Fram is not often wrong.

The close, however, is as soft as shite. For mine, there's a clear consensus for admonishment.

Ryuichi

So....why are they complaining, one wonders? Someone mentioned The Place We Do Not Name? If the "they complaining" is those complaining about "outing of Nihonjoe", then "yes, likely so". For the record, my first reaction to this was fairly apathetic and unsurprised. I haven't commented on this. But...

Ryuichi

Sure, but then consistent application of policy would put "linking on-wiki to an academic paper outing a Wikipedian" and "linking on-wiki to a Wikipediocracy blog post outing a Wikipedian" at equal levels of verboten . Which is, of course, very much not what happened. WP:BADSITES is a "failed polic...

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Unless you are Volunteer Marek , in which case outing is perfectly fine and just what academics do. With great sympathy to the good volunteer, the reader might perhaps be referred to the text at Lukas 20:25, "Er aber sprach: So gebet dem Kaiser, was des Kaisers ist, und Gott, was Gottes ist!". Engl...

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Policy question So WP:AVOIDOUTING is a section of WP:COI. And in reading everything above, unless I missed it, I'm not seeing that this was followed at all. Per WP:COI - "When investigating COI editing, the policy against harassment takes precedence. It requires that Wikipedians not reveal the iden...

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You won't believe this, but Dick has been blocked again, this time for calling Goodday "obstructionist." This is Dick's fourth block of 2024 and February isn't even over yet. …and the Usual Gang of Idiots is showing their support on his talk page. Troutman, too. Woulda credited him with more sense....

Ryuichi

Elinruby wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:58 am
a lushstorm

That's a high quality typo.

I have acquaintances who resemble that remark.

Ryuichi

:welcome: Well, probably AusLondonder needs a stern talking from an admin about WP:FORUM. :sarcasm: But really, obvious canvassing is obvious, as are obvious low quality votes. A closer worth tuppence would discount or downweight many of the votes above. And many of the other votes in the RfC; inclu...

Ryuichi

Speaking with my Arb hat on, and asking a genuine question - Nihonjoe has declared their COI; what more do we need to tell him? (please do not ping on reply) Primefac (talk) 07:14, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

"To resign"?

Ryuichi

AndyTheGrump wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:39 am

Ryuichi wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:52 am

AndyTheGrump wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:28 am
(e.g. the perineal dismissal of arguments for inclusion/deletion as 'WP:OR')

That's some quality autocorrect.
Oops. Not just autocorrect either. It offered alternatives, and I clicked the wrong one.

Serendipitously so. In context, it works quite well.

Ryuichi

AndyTheGrump wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:28 am
(e.g. the perineal dismissal of arguments for inclusion/deletion as 'WP:OR')

That's some quality autocorrect.

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