Wikipediocracy

TheElusiveClaw

For the fifth time, the drooling perverts are trying to focus on the sexuality and sexual thoughts of the 15 year old Anne Frank (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anne_Frank#Sexuality_in_the_Diary and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anne_Frank#RfC_regarding_the_inclusion_of_content_regardin...

TheElusiveClaw

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Laser_brain&oldid=926501592#Another_follow-up_question I edited as an IP for a while and after attending a Wikipedia workshop at a local university, attempted to get involved in content assessment and found my comments not to be taken seriously c...

TheElusiveClaw

Randy from Boise wrote:
TheElusiveClaw wrote:
Randy from Boise wrote:
As George Ruban also learned at the eleventh hour, much to his chagrin, Sagaciousphil is a she, not a he.

RfB

Don't roll your eyes, that's how a misdemeanor becomes a felony in Wikiland...

RfB

I'm only rolling them at my own ineptness, as I'd read yesterday that he was a she

TheElusiveClaw

It looks like one of Corbett's socks has now been caught out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dr_Horncastle

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I thought someone said shrocat is a Corbett acolyte? Why is he voting against cassianto and SagaciousPhil? Someone did. Me. I thought that was the case, anyway :blink: Where is this dissenting voice? S/he is support #19, Cassianto is Oppose 8. My bad on Sagaciousphil, I thought he'd opposed too, bu...

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I thought someone said shrocat is a Corbett acolyte? Why is he voting against cassianto and SagaciousPhil? Someone did. Me. I thought that was the case, anyway :blink: Where is this dissenting voice? S/he is support #19, Cassianto is Oppose 8. My bad on Sagaciousphil, I thought he'd opposed too, bu...

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I thought someone said shrocat is a Corbett acolyte? Why is he voting against cassianto and SagaciousPhil?

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Midsize Jake wrote:it's officially time to blame Trump.

For those of us in the UK, it's time to blame Brexit

TheElusiveClaw

C&B wrote:
Randy from Boise wrote:Fuck with Cassianto at your own peril.

RfB
It is one of the easiest games in the world

It's not that difficult. He seems to be a bit of a snowflake when he is criticised

TheElusiveClaw

Is it stalking to check someone's contributions? I feel like this has been blown way out of proportion. There's no evidence of any sort of serious harassment or stalking, based on that one conversation on Cassianto's talk page. Just a couple harmless contributions checks, which is surely done all t...

TheElusiveClaw

That little clique has done more damage to en.wp than almost any other. More than Montanabw's horse posse? More than McCandlish and the MOS clique who have driven away so many great editors? The Cassianto clique (who have been fairly quiet recently, with many of them not active) are localised pains...

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e may have fucked this up by talking about the email, but ont he whole I'm finding the opposes overblown an hyperbolic. He didn't republish the actual email, just mentioned that it existed. That isn't a nearly as big a deal as its being made out to be. In an RfA it's one of the dumbest things to do...

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That little clique has done more damage to en.wp than almost any other. More than Montanabw's horse posse? More than McCandlish and the MOS clique who have driven away so many great editors? The Cassianto clique (who have been fairly quiet recently, with many of them not active) are localised pains...

TheElusiveClaw

MrErnie wrote:Fram's RFA is now live.

This really is the gift that keeps on giving.

I suspect he'll fail by a good margin: too many people pissed off by him, and too many lickspittles who will join in at the pile-on

TheElusiveClaw

Looks like more people are at the end of their tethers... Scrocat was blocked for * Voting for closing, I see. An out-of-process desysop from a toxic over-reach by the WMF; it would have been overturned by any sensible body. Unfortunately, it went to ArbCom. What an utter clusterfuck. You are respo...

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Looks like more people are at the end of their tethers... Scrocat was blocked for * Voting for closing, I see. An out-of-process desysop from a toxic over-reach by the WMF; it would have been overturned by any sensible body. Unfortunately, it went to ArbCom. What an utter clusterfuck. You are respon...

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Fram, previously: "Fuck ArbCom." Looks like ArbCom is now returning the sentiment. We need someone to run for Arbcom who can think clearly and act with humility? Someone with proven ability to get enough votes to win the election. Do we know anyone who fits that description? JBHunley is looking lik...

TheElusiveClaw

This is pertinent from SilkTork: I was discussing matters with Fram on Meta, and providing as much details as I could. The talks stalled, so not everything was discussed - certainly not as much as I would have liked. At this moment someone is making a complaint to the Stewards about the amount of d...

TheElusiveClaw

Regarding the infamous BU_Rob13 revert: ...I am not saying that Fram was banned for that incident (though I am realist enough, as is Fram, to join the dots and assume that that incident was likely to have led to one of the complaints to T&M that resulted in them issuing their ban)... Which means BU...

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My guess is that the 'Fram reverting BU Rob' incident made a big impression on SilkTork (and other arbs) because BU Rob kicked up a massive fuss about it on the mailing list. Quite possibly other arbs told him he was over-reacting. Probably - BURob was a nasty little bastard with an agenda and, lik...

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Did ARBCOM do any investigation at all? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I can't believe you even have to ask that! No, the lazy bastards took the lazy route, read through the evidence (maybe) and wrote out what they thought may be the best way to appease both the com...

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I've met Cassianto, and that's definately not him Okay, but would you buy a used bicycle from him? Perhaps even... a Mormon bicycle? We've seen some fairly astounding coincidences before, actually - the example I remember most was Chris "ChrisO/Prioryman" Owen, who apparently was not the same Chris...

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Didn't want to start a new thread and wasn't sure which of our existing ones to post in. • Cassianto - is there a more odious editor on Wikipedia? • Cassianto - what a maroon • Cassianto at AN/I • Cassianto gets caught out, spews illogical nonsense • Cassianto receives his very own title Anyway, it...

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Someone needs to ask him to detail the grants he received from the WMF. CoffeeCrumbs has now: "Do you have any additional conflicts-of-interest that you wish to disclose at this time, including but not limited to conflicts-of-interest involving users on whom you have edited on their behalf, involve...

TheElusiveClaw

Three hours in and it's already down to 71%. I really can't see this one turning around

TheElusiveClaw

María Sefidari's one time partner tries again to get his tools back: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... Hawkeye7_3

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I think you've caught the bad end of the Fram situation. Praxidicae is a a-hole and always has been, regardless of the name they use. Now anyone who isn't very good at writing for the 'pedia, and attracts the attentions of an Admin can go running to T&S or ArbCom and scream "Harrassment!" and they a...

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Vigilant wrote:The only way they make these quotas is if they make most of the current editor base quit.

Nothing else works mathematically.

I think that's the aim: there are several parts where these recommendations state "Those who do not wish to comply could leave the platform" or similar.

TheElusiveClaw

Too preoccupied with the latest shambles, Ritchie333, the dates for Evidence and Workshop have passed, it seems unnoticed. It's all been updated now (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fram&curid=12003889&diff=909915099&oldid=908108175) * Anonymised and summarised evidence will be...

TheElusiveClaw

Thank you for posting the original before it was made to vanish. Nothing in there violated anyone's "privacy" and nothing needed to be rev-deleted. Was it archived by any chance? Yes, at https://web.archive.org/web/20190807171908/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/No...

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Poetlister wrote:Whatever, you can bet that the decision will be based more on politics than on the narrow facts, to the extent that ArbCom knows the facts.

will be based? I think that a few Arbs have already decided to hang him out to dry

TheElusiveClaw

Is this a new revelation, or just more ambiguity? I believe the community is aware that certain things have happened off wiki, including the actual complaints to T&S and emails between T&S and Fram. In addition, the document is redacted in places. So, I disagree with Fram's assertion that "nothing ...

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What I find interesting is that going through the last 1000 or so edits to Floq's RFA, I don't see ANYONE being blocked or removed for socking. Not a single one! Which tells me that either the Checkusers decided to ignore votes made by socks in this case, likely in an attempt to favor Floq. :Ok, I ...

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To get back on topic... Fram has returned from wiki-break and posted to meta to say this ; I'll just quote the final line: All in all, everything I have seen so far gives me very little trust in this ArbCom case I agree with him. I have little trust in ArbCom ever, but in this matter, where they ca...

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Poetlister wrote:
10920 wrote:graphs!
By linear extrapolation, he'll be down to 58.57% by the time it closes - clearly a fail.

Given RexxS's RFA, I wouldn't rule out anything either way

TheElusiveClaw

Poetlister wrote:I've always considered Iridescent to be among the best people on Wikipedia. If there were a lot more people like that, this site wouldn't be needed.

Definitely. I don't always agree with everything he says, but his arguments are always well-founded and need taking into account.

TheElusiveClaw

Support -Of course there may be no official confirmation of an intimate relationship(no denial either), but it is quite obvious this person is sketchy and received favored and was at least very friendly with a high up WMF member. It does not matter whether the relationship is intimate or not: they ...

TheElusiveClaw

I've seen John do a lot of nasty stuff to people in the past Links or gtfo. When I was editing (as Hillbilly), you could've counted the people who truly gave a shit about BLP on one hand. John was one of them. That's fine: you didn't see it when it happened. Yes, he was a strong hand with BLP, and ...

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Unconnected to Framgate, but the project's biggest admin loss (so far) of 2019 is John , who quietly slipped out the back door a month ago. I had a good time here for quite a while, but it's become apparent to me that the project is broken. When you lost hold of the primacy of good writing, moved o...

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mendaliv wrote: Yeah I didn’t even see that. He is straddling one hell of a fence right now. What on earth could be his endgame?

You're working on the presumption he's smart enough to have an end-game?

I'm calling his headless mode right now.

TheElusiveClaw

This - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fram&curid=12003889&diff=904155182&oldid=904155141 - could mean just that extra level of dramah that isn't really needed: Fram "accidentally" posting something to the wrong Wiki (then self reverting). It will be interesting to see just how ...

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Notbutforthesalt wrote:First time poster, long time reader.

Has BU Rob13 always been this completely insufferable or is this a new thing?

He's been an utterly incomprehensible double-ended prick for as long as I've seen him on there, a long time before be was an Arb

TheElusiveClaw

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=902660306 Thank god, maybe there's hope. ...please no commentator's curse please no commentator's curse please no commentator's curse... SilkTork remains the only Arb prepared to accept the case, which means it's go...

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Whelp, there’s a new sheriff in town. And no you won’t be able to see any sort of evidence against you if you’re unlucky enough to be targeted. And nope you can’t appeal. I imagine a number of the abrasive admins out there could be taken down by this new system. I'm currently looking into the mecha...

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As for LauraHale. I suspect this episode is going to have her banned by the arbcom or blocked by some admin before long. I doubt it. We are watching the birth of a new class of UNBLOCKABLE: connected to the WMF, willing to lie and whinge to get anyone blocked, and the cherry on the cake is that the...

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lol seriously? You cannot undo office action, why opt for drama when you have already been told not to, unless if you are already planning to quit, that is. Good riddance in my view, as floq is also as hypocritical as you can get when it comes to the project. I took a skim through https://en.wikipe...

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No justification for such a step. Popcorn opened, WP:BN on auto-refresh and watch the meltdown

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What a corrupt and twisted place. If anyone really needed any more proof, this has done it. The crats ignoring all the rules to supervote in a divisive editor who has driven away a fair share of female editors in their time

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WMF don't normally step in to minor local conflabs like the initial offence, so it's obvious they have taken umbrage at something other than that. They don't normally ban people without at least some good reason and those that do normally have extensive block logs first. Have you considered that you...

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