Wikipediocracy

Rathel

Ok. Forum members who prefer to be anonymous shouldn't trumpet credentials that are unverifiable. Many participants have endured this again, and again, and again, on Wikipedia (and elsewhere) and found that they're frequently being lied to. Not saying you're lying. Am saying that many people find t...

Rathel

Academics need to create specialist sites. Preferably using an NC license to thwart WPs blatant stealing, whilst allowing access and reuse by the civilised world. http://eol.org/ http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/ I would recommend that PD do the same. Wasn't Citizendium an attempt to have a...

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Because newspapers and radio stations take significant pains to ensure that they don't do anything illegal. They carefully (some more than others, of course) monitor the content they distribute to ensure that it is within the boundaries of the law. The fact that they take these precautions is gener...

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Wouldn't it then be better to remove Section 230 to solve the problem? Without Section 230, Wikipedia would almost certainly disappear in short order. Take away their 230 immunity and the WMF would be almost instantly hit with dozens, possibly hundreds of lawsuits from anyone who feels that their W...

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Which part is traceable? Only the operator needs the license. I have heard many people call up radio shows and say ridiculous things. They don't have to give their name and could easily use a payphone. In the analogy, we know the Wikimedia Foundation's address and the names of staff members just li...

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It is traceability that is the fundamental issue. Basically, publicly you are fairly anonymous, but everyone knows that if it comes to a problem you can be tracked down. There are also checks. In the UK now it is trivial for the police to check that any car that drives past their automatic number p...

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You are the one who introduced the idea of readers to try and rescue your argument. I stuck with the original premise that there was only one person interested in history and then pointed out the fallacy of such an analogy. How can you say that? You said before: If nobody else is interested in the ...

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Edit: To respond to something that seems silly. Dogbiscuit, you stated, "If nobody else is interested in the history of Beijing" when you failed to acknowledge there is a difference between someone being interested in looking up said information vs. someone interested in doing the work and writing ...

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PeterDamian: I do not know where you live but I have not experienced having to provide my ID except when I buy alcohol. You don't get around much then, do you? I live in London, but it's the same in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles. You don't get into most buildings, except for public libraries and s...

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It has been invoked by many state courts to giving "gay folk the right to marry." No, it hasn't. Every state court that has found an equal-protection basis for marriage equality has done so based on the equal protection language of its own state constitution. All fifty state constitutions have equa...

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It has been invoked by many state courts to giving "gay folk the right to marry." No, it hasn't. Every state court that has found an equal-protection basis for marriage equality has done so based on the equal protection language of its own state constitution. All fifty state constitutions have equa...

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Is there a breakdown between English Wikipedia and Spanish Wikipedia?

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The 14th Amendment removes the ability to selectively give people rights and take them away. And yet the Equal protection Clause has not yet been interpreted as giving gay folk the right to marry. But I digress. It has been invoked by many state courts to giving "gay folk the right to marry." Howev...

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Anonymity is traditionally upheld as both a right to Free Speech and a right to Freedom of the Press. As I pointed out earlier, your understanding of the "right" to anonymous speech is quite mistaken (also the U.S. constitutional rights to speech and publication). These are constraints on governmen...

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cyofee wrote:Well, now we know how those donation dollars are being spent.

The article says they were only willing to compensate him for the registry fee. That is a little cheap.

Rathel

There is a fairly intense debate taking place on whether there should be a picture of a hamburger in the American Cuisine article guide template, a different picture, or no picture at all. Edit wars over the image have occurred. One of the participants apparently has a conflict of interest because ...

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You are working to a narrow American world view. So, Thekohser is fine in saying that the servers are in the United States and should operate on United States principles when he is arguing against anonymity, but when the same basis is used to show the contrary it is suddenly a problem? You are sure...

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You can't extend rights to some and not to others. 1. Not rights, privileges 2. Says who? Happens all the time. Anonymity is traditionally upheld as both a right to Free Speech and a right to Freedom of the Press. And "happens all the time" doesn't mean it is supposed to, just like saying "libel on...

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Punch magazine specialized in pseudonyms tearing people apart. So, if Punch (a humor and satire publication) did it, then Wikipedia (purportedly a "sum of human knowledge" encyclopedia) should do it too? Got it. You may need to check yourself into a facility of some sort for professional care. You ...

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There is a fairly intense debate taking place on whether there should be a picture of a hamburger in the American Cuisine article guide template, a different picture, or no picture at all. Edit wars over the image have occurred. One of the participants apparently has a conflict of interest because ...

Rathel

It has always been quite unusual for "academics," of almost any age, to use pseudonyms when publishing work in their own field. It may have been less so for people publishing outside their field, but that really brings us to the thing you're glossing over, which is that it's intellectually dishones...

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When did they add "contributor buttons" to the real Britannica? Referring to their electronic version is being obtuse and purposefully missing the point that most encyclopedias never identified who wrote what, just as dictionaries don't say who came up with the entries. Look at the 1911 edition on ...

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When did they add "contributor buttons" to the real Britannica? Referring to their electronic version is being obtuse and purposefully missing the point that most encyclopedias never identified who wrote what, just as dictionaries don't say who came up with the entries. Look at the 1911 edition on ...

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It is offensive to see someone say that we can't have pseudonyms because we are in the United States when many of the Founding Fathers relied on them. Hey, this sounds fun -- let me try. It is offensive to see someone say that we can't have slaves because we are in the United States when many of th...

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But I also think that Rathel runs to it too quickly, and without thought. Publius , as it turns out, wasn't really anonymous in the sense of (e.g.) User:Jayjg, but more of a cloak of plausible deniability for James Madison and others. Rathel misses the crucial distinction: the Federalist Papers wer...

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But I also think that Rathel runs to it too quickly, and without thought. Publius , as it turns out, wasn't really anonymous in the sense of (e.g.) User:Jayjg, but more of a cloak of plausible deniability for James Madison and others. Rathel misses the crucial distinction: the Federalist Papers wer...

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Who gets to decide that - well, most of those points are based on Wikipedian principles, but the point about "who gets to decide" is that why should Wikipedia be the arbiter of what is right over either a supposedly democratically elected government or for that matter the Chinese government? So, fu...

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The reality is that: - Wikipedia should not be a political platform. - With crowdsourcing there should always be someone not in a threatened position who would be quite capable of documenting information controversial in other lands. - If such information does not exist in the public domain then it...

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Many of the pseudonyms used during the 18th century were criticized for "indecency" of some kind. Many had governments declare the works treasonous and would honestly have put the individual to death. That's because their publications were generally advocating a civil revolt against the ruling gove...

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Many important political writers used pseudonyms. The Federalist Papers were under a pseudonym as well as much of Benjamin Franklin's writings. Pseudonyms can protect the just from totalitarian governments, and if the sentiment is to be believed then Wikipedia could easily fall under such a descrip...

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Many important political writers used pseudonyms. The Federalist Papers were under a pseudonym as well as much of Benjamin Franklin's writings. Pseudonyms can protect the just from totalitarian governments, and if the sentiment is to be believed then Wikipedia could easily fall under such a descript...

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The exact opposite is true. Otherwise, Wikipedia would never have had any editors beyond plagiarists. The whole existence of areas like FAC show that the bulk of content contributors are there to create new content. Wikipedia's mission statement was to create an encyclopedia that didn't suck. You c...

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You're sure beating the hell out of those straw men of yours. Copyright infringement is not so much of a problem on WP, but the copying of content without attribution surely is. Copyright only covers actual strings of words, but close paraphrases, which I think is what we're talking about here, are...

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You're sure beating the hell out of those straw men of yours. Copyright infringement is not so much of a problem on WP, but the copying of content without attribution surely is. Copyright only covers actual strings of words, but close paraphrases, which I think is what we're talking about here, are...

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That's the WikiDefense. Allow me to retort: Wiki software and the free culture philosophy are both uniquely suited for the proliferation of copied content. The exact opposite is true. Otherwise, Wikipedia would never have had any editors beyond plagiarists. The whole existence of areas like FAC sho...

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That's the WikiDefense. Allow me to retort: Wiki software and the free culture philosophy are both uniquely suited for the proliferation of copied content. The exact opposite is true. Otherwise, Wikipedia would never have had any editors beyond plagiarists. The whole existence of areas like FAC sho...

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As an American citizen, how long would he be allowed to stay in the United Kingdom with a normal Visa?

Rathel

'Shocking news'... http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AAngela_Kennedy&diff=496106630&oldid=435628739 I am interested to find out the rationale for this latest change. If there is any. At first I thought you were referring to being blocked. Then I saw that you were banned in 2007. I gue...

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Note the clueful nature of some of the vandalism; wikilinks and adding a Nazi stub template. Tsk tsk. There are any number of teen patrollers and gamer-boys on WP who could do this. I've got a couple of possibilities in mind already..... You noticed that a couple of the deleted revs were made by IP...

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You claim that the individual is being used for political reasons and then make it seem like it should stay. I said "if you go by Wikipedia's lunatic rules, Kimberlin should be documented somehow". You're pulling the same shit that Berlet and the right-wing bloggers pulled. Stop it. Actually, I alr...

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Kimberlin is "notable" because of the bombings 30+ years ago, and I would not be surprised if he was railroaded into prison illegally. American cops and prosecutors do it to their political enemies regularly. All else is crap, an attempt to demonize him by right-wingers. Remember Bill Ayers? Why no...

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It is not a "global problem." It is a problem among individuals. Where is your evidence of this? What do you mean? By definition, it is impossible to claim it is a global problem. Users edit and users are responsible. You have failed to prove that anything but a small minority is responsible for co...

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That sounds like the language of Wikipedia trolls who are trying to do whatever they can to disrupt sites like this. We should support Moonriddengirl as she is one of the few willing to fight against the systematic stealing of content from other places. You are acting as if you cannot solve it all ...

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Ah, I see, Goethean was involved: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive153#Brett_Kimberlin He's right, it should have been locked down. But deleting it was stupid. Mr. Kimberlin is "notable". The whole things smells, no matter what you think of Kim...

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I have no clue what hammering one of the truly great wikipedians and her ideas for the way forward accomplishes... Spare me the histrionics. If she is as "great" as you say, she will recognize the enumerated problems even if you cannot. That sounds like the language of Wikipedia trolls who are tryi...

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I think Moonriddengirl is perhaps the single most commendable, honest, forthright, and useful volunteer in the "administrative" section of WP. She knows her shit on copyright law and WP needs that. I have no clue what hammering one of the truly great wikipedians and her ideas for the way forward ac...

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CCI is like one of those stupid little private Wikiprojects about totally obscure comic-book trivia. MRG has been running it since 2009, and in three years they've only had 120 "investigations". It has little impact on Wikipedia's REAL copyright problems, of course. What about this investigation ? ...

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I think that users going after copyright problems is essential to having a good encyclopedia. I am a little confused as to this thread as it seems to contradict a lot of the sentiment of this forum in general. I would say that Moonriddengirl has proven to be an admin that will slog through a lot of ...

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Lord Roem withdrew his RfA. I believe it was the right thing to do, and it was good that he did not cast any accusations in his withdrawal. He says he is committed to improving based on various criticism he has received. I am surprised that the Arbitration Committee had a clerk that was not an admin...

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Since this is a thread to say nice things about people, I wanted to mention User Philcha, who is said to have passed away. I thought he was a good person and it is sad to hear that he will no longer be around.

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