Wikipediocracy

Alex Shih

Why am I totally not surprised with the Beeblebrox “situation”. The backstage can be so comically childish that eventually you have to realize it’s n.o.t a job and that we all have something better to do.

Alex Shih

Wasn’t his rfa not so long ago? Scrolling through the general memorial page, surprised to see a few familiar names. Sad news indeed

Alex Shih

Some other rando showed up with a "not enough experience" oppose, more needless arguing ensued, it closed just this minute at 232/1/0. I include the neutral tally because I think it is odd to see an RFA without a single neutral. To be fair, a key point in my arguing was "Does anyone really care if ...

Alex Shih

Yeah it’s messed up. Without a resysop remedy it is effectively permanent desysop by arbcom, which is out of order at current state? IMO what arbcom should have done(for the sake of moving toward good change) is to make the same kind of “Here’s what we think. We weren’t going to desysop.” statement ...

Alex Shih

Lowest-hanging fruit still available that I'm aware of regarding each candidate which hasn't been addressed by the questions: Barkeep49: Not really any that I know of L235: Not really any that I know of Primefac: During the RexxS case, made a block of Giano that several editors and admins objected ...

Alex Shih

Gerda is good people; the arb questions are a blip (I really wish would be dropped). speaking as somebody that fought long and hard against infoboxes back in the day, she is roundly liked and respected nowadays. She brings much needed positive vibes and can get on with just about anybody. :welcome:...

Alex Shih

What if one or more shoe-ins endorsed McClenon? To me, McClenon seems like the ideal non-admin candidate for Arbcom (Someone who is already extremely well versed in dispute resolution), and if he can't get in, no non-admin can. ( I'm inclined to think no non-admin can, but we'll see. ) Ideal, but u...

Alex Shih

Konveyor Belt wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:08 am
TNT has already requested a resysop

Oh wow. This is exactly why a lot of the mental health or whatever claimed conditions for your everyday hat collecting power users are really dubious if not bogus. Just incredible.

Alex Shih

For what it's worth, Stephen seems to be https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AArbitration_Committee%2FNoticeboard&type=revision&diff=1122116710&oldid=1122083474,going with the brother defence : ... the harassment wasn't by me, but from someone very close to me. I've been deal...

Alex Shih

tarantino wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:35 am
Both Athaenara and Stephen were first made admins in 2007.

That was my year too. These were exciting times and younger days.

Alex Shih

At WP:ANI Racist comment by User:Sca at WP:ITNC Not so much of a feeding frenzy there... I wonder why that is... Resurrecting a dead convo, but I just noticed that admin Stephen , who reported Sca to ANI, was desysopped for "editing while logged out in a manner that harasses another user" . I'm gue...

Alex Shih

Vigilant wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:24 pm
Fram has joined the fray at WP:AN...

Nothing interesting though. Fram has certainly mellowed out.

Alex Shih

Some introspection , at long last. Probably forced by multiple fronts. Now the inevitable glorious return, episode 3 (will air in 3-6 months). . . Moderator's note: Posts related to a concurrent, and perhaps tangentially-related, incident involving an allegedly bigoted "joke" remark posted on Wikip...

Alex Shih

Oh dear, it seems such an exalted ArbCom member as CaptainEek can't even manage to differentiate between WP:AN and WP:AN/I: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=1120593425 And these are supposed to be the crème de la crème of Wikipedia? You'...

Alex Shih

Oh, and joy of joys, we're off to arbcom! From which we get this little gem: @Only in death: No, I'd really like a yes/no answer to that. Are you 31.118.18.187? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 13:35, 7 November 2022 (UTC) That comment could, and probably deserves to, go wrong in several wa...

Alex Shih

I don't think any of us expected it to end the way it did. With respect, you are one of the more forward-thinking members of ARBCOM in that you can reasonably predict when something is a bad idea, and also occasionally accept that AGF doesnt always apply to editors/admins motivations. You know what...

Alex Shih

Here is my statement for this year if you would like to get your rotten fruit throwing in early https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2022/Candidates/Guerillero/Statement You are a good person. I like the focus on not forgetting Wikipedia is an encyclopedi...

Alex Shih

This dipshit. Trey_Maturin one and two This again almost feels like trolling too. Not so often can a person hit perfectly on every cylinder of “how to present yourself and whoever you are “defending” in the most negative light”. I think I can put money on this kid is either too dumb or being a smar...

Alex Shih

Hmm, so now there is a motion about cloud. Even some of the current arbs seem to be confused. CLOUD itself is not policy, but an interpretation of ADMINACCT. Did TNT resign to avoid further scrutiny? The answer has to be yes, regardless of how arbcom were not going desysop. The scope of the case was...

Alex Shih

This might be the single most needlessly self-inflicted drama that I've seen on Wikipedia. It's insane to think that TNT would have gotten away with a slap on the wrist last week, but, entirely due to the arbcom case that they requested, they got their CU and OS flags removed. I'm worried about the...

Alex Shih

I expect we'll see some wild claims and discussion about how this ArbCom is one of the worst in some voters guides though. The current ArbCom is always the worst ArbCom... :shrug: Not always. I think this batch was surprisingly decent. Of course some of the old hypocritical heads, the above-all pow...

Alex Shih

TNT has now resigned the admin bit at enwp. This is an unusual course of action, considering that TNT has no problems with the mop (at least from my point of view). Edit: See also their user page . User page Hi TNT. I'm sorry to see you go, and I really hate to pile more on your shoulders right now...

Alex Shih

TNT has now resigned the admin bit at enwp. This is an unusual course of action, considering that TNT has no problems with the mop (at least from my point of view). Edit: See also their user page . Not unusual at all. Most of the power users (whether they have advanced user rights or not) on Wikipe...

Alex Shih

EDIT: TNT has resigned CU/OS at Meta, "in protest & with extreme disappointment in the committee's inability to handle this fairly." Why is "you can't fire me, I quit!" the response every Wikipedia power user seems to have in response to sanctions of any kind? Same kinda thing as all the people who...

Alex Shih

Wikipedia isn’t the place to take whatever stand you have. If anyone feels the need to do so, then they need to walk away. Plus if offensive comments (that wasn’t removed and still publicly available) affects you in any way to this hyperbolic extent then you probably have never faced true adversity ...

Alex Shih

One thing that I miss about wiki, communicating with the likes of Jclemens with excellent if not beautiful command of the English language. Keeps my mind sharp

Alex Shih

Almost all of the Arbitration Committee are falling over themselves to ensure TNT and Lourdes do not even receive the mildest of admonishment or warning. Did anyone really expect anything different? Nope. One of them didn’t even think TNT was “involved” after weeks of fiasco, and only changed his v...

Alex Shih

Seems like TNT will only get a slap on the wrist, which is expected. It does make me vomit that some of the folks are framing this as “This was just one CU mistake.”

CaptainEek seems to think being overzealous is “egregious”, and being personally motivated to do several involved action is not. Okay.

Alex Shih

Your premise is 100% incorrect. I have never seen an arb try to block a PD from being posted on time. In fact, our discussion was more along the lines of "please get it posted ASAP" 100% seems to be a stretch. When one arb doesn’t agree with something, it will be delayed. That should be uncontrover...

Alex Shih

PD will always be delayed, but Kevin said on Wiki that they were going for an expedited case like two weeks ago, so this delay makes no sense. If I had to guess (kind of from experience), a few of the arbs cozy with TNT is probably blocking the way since drafters can’t post without some kind of agre...

Alex Shih

Spartaz has just put up a retirement notice. Spartaz will be back in no time, after TNT’s “retirement” following Arbcom’s PD. 😏 What I find hilarious is Tamzin’s pitiful attempt in trying to harass Spartaz. This is the kind of actually ill person that should seek help instead of using Wikipedia as ...

Alex Shih

As usual, nobody comes out of this looking good, whether it's TNT overreacting to just about everything (does nobody go to user talk pages to sort things out before jumping to AN anymore?), Spartaz doubling down when a pretty simple rephrasing would have nipped the whole thing in the bud, or Kudpun...

Alex Shih

It’s refreshing to see true colors being on full display. A collaboration of competent and professional content editors is what made Wikipedia fun. Users like TNT is far too immature, and has always been only interested in the “power” aspect of Wikipedia, nothing else. Let’s hope the incoming PD can...

Alex Shih

Arishok wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:34 am
Someone actually did indef EEng once back in 2016 for a jokestery ANI comment. It was pretty rapidly overturned.

I think from what I remembered, EEng at least tries to make friends, and is somewhat constructive once every blue moon…

Alex Shih

So, "erected" can mean "put in power", per Wiktionary, and so if I crank my AGF meter all the way to 11 I can see this as a comment about the lack of democracy in China, as Sca claims it was. That said, making political remarks at ITN/C at all is against Wikipedia's purpose (although Sca's far from...

Alex Shih

After hesitating for a moment to even post in this thread for fear of putting my foot in my mouth again, given the extreme lack of tolerance in this matter, I note my discomfort with the blocking administrator, who in their second (controversial) request for adminship said I knew the reversal of an...

Alex Shih

It’s noteworthy that admin and CU have very different standards for removal. The admin policy allows for retaining the bit despite “occasional mistakes” so long as they aren’t “egregious”. By contrast, the WMF’s CU policy says that “in the case of abusive use of the tool, the…editor with the CheckU...

Alex Shih

Power users on Wikipedia are generally privileged individuals not representative of the trans community. Most members of the LGBTQ community that I know do not go out of their way to force their views on others. The one that does are usually the worst kind that plays far bigger roles in fueling the...

Alex Shih

A little playing to the crowd... I am sad with you, but hope you will return to standing strong. A friend died, and her song was "Non, je ne regrette rien". Look. - If I let you down anywhere, please let me know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC) The only people who are in a positi...

Alex Shih

Power users on Wikipedia are generally privileged individuals not representative of the trans community. Most members of the LGBTQ community that I know do not go out of their way to force their views on others. The one that does are usually the worst kind that plays far bigger roles in fueling the ...

Alex Shih

I think that's pretty clear to everyone who's looking at this. The question is will ARBCOM have the courage to follow through. I doubt it. Intentional abuse are harder to take down if the accused simply decides to grind it out. I think the possible outcome is 1) enough power users with advanced rig...

Alex Shih

Smultronstället wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:29 am
Adminning while drunk?

Is that supposed to be some kind of justification? TNT is quite technically advanced, I’ve dealt with them in the past. The multiple checks done were personally motivated.

Alex Shih

TNT has always been cliquey with temperament issues. Never had any interest in content creation but deeply obsessed with bureaucratic stuff.

Alex Shih

It's a shame. If a person really wants to be an admin this much, they really just need to spend probably around 12 months doing 80% solid content creation, 20% across different project space being "nice" to everyone, apologize to everyone that you fought with, in general show your "diplomatic" side....

Alex Shih

Yeah, only one number counts for the actual results, but there's a lot to digest there. Of course if you're in you're in, all arbs get exactly one vote, but it's still interesting to look at, to me anyway. I actually tied with third-place finisher Wugapodes for supports, but they got 83 more neutra...

Alex Shih

My problem with a lot of folks like TB is that, if you think Wikipediocracy is a just troll site, then stay off it. Monitoring it regularly and following everything here just strikes to me as unhealthy obsession. These folks to me are the antithesis of "No big deal". And the practice of "cliques" an...

Alex Shih

I've never understood why people like Gerda are so obsessed with infoboxes. Those people who remove them do so on a very, very small number of articles. I'm not defending the removal, or the benefits or flaws of the boxes, but why does Arndt, Hal333, Moxy and the rest of them keep pushing and bully...

Alex Shih

Yeah I think you missed it Jake. He also rage quitted in 2017 for several months. I don't think the reasons were explicitly stated, but if I remember correctly it was for similar reasons. I actually don't have an issue with the way Bbb23 does CU, even when a lot of the times they violate policy as w...

Alex Shih

Bharatiya29's case just reminds me of this Taiwanese user that was CU blocked on English Wikipedia because of mistaken identity, and subsequently blocked on other projects based on that block. He was later "exonerated" (funny that I cannot think of another word) after successful appeal submitted by ...

Alex Shih

Beeblebrox wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:05 am

Vigilant wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:44 pm
Giano is a shit who should get banned for this.

I can't count the number of times I've had that exact thought, but somehow it never happens.

I thought we all know (one of the) the reason(s) why, and it starts with the capital letter b (not you).

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