Wikipediocracy

Graaf Statler

There seems to be a meme that all I did was improve stuff, added nothing of any real substance myself. But what about The Green Child ? Or the Manchester Mummy? Or the Samlesbury witches? Or Peterloo Massacre, to which I contributed the most edits and added the most text? Or ... just because I ofte...

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Very short IP blocks for vandalism are probably worth it. Some longer blocks of users possibly have the effect of forcing the person in question to behave better. Ming. When do you admit you are a part of a tremendous troll complex, that this account is used by several trolls, that you and your fri...

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I guess I was thinking more of general auditing and investigation of functionary actions as opposed to block appeals. I am of course well aware that arbcom is the only outlet for such appeals, having discussed my own OS blocks with the committee in the recent past. We definitely can perform such in...

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Beeblebrox wrote: It’s a pretty high-imapct essay that in practice is de facto policy.

I really don't know except it was a subject on Wikimania and I think they brought it in practice on WQNL, that is the only thing I have to say about it.

Graaf Statler

I've pointed this out in previous threads , so I'm sorry to keep doing it, but it's not really the "Croatian WIkipedia" and the "Serbian Wikipedia," it's the Serbo-Croatian Latinica Wikipedia (which has been taken over by fascists) and the Serbo-Croatian Cyrillic Wikipedia (which has not). There is...

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You have to understand many east Europeaan country's have a extreem low level of democracy at the moment, and yes, for sure they use Wikipedia in Hungary thanks to Google. Wikipedia=Good=topranking in Google, doesn't matter what crap a wiki it is!

Graaf Statler

The participants were inpatients of a mental hospital in Argentina. They were given small, manageable tasks on Wikiquote, after giving them individualized training on writing skills and grammar. This is a bad idea. Not that editing Wikis isn't a good therapy method per se. Just that Wikiquote is a ...

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Graaf Statler

That's not really surprising you don't want to talk to me, but using emails as the reason to not engage in discussion with me is just an excuse, especially given that the only ones you have replied to were to tell me not to email you and because I haven't even sent one in over a month because I hav...

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It is all true but much more complicated. Regio Yugoslavia is a deep hurt country by the last Yugoslavia war, what has all kind of still open old wounds and the history of Yugoslavia goes much further back, and is partly religious. I was in Greece in that time, what is close related to Serbia and th...

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And again a huge system error. Fox hunters! They don't fight harresment, no they hunt foxes. Foxes condemned by a couple mentally disturbed users, and in that way the situation get worser and worser, and at the end there are only mental ill page watchers left. Again, a wiki system destroyed itself, ...

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- Start by Firing the ED Katherine Maher! She has done nothing but spend money and pander to donors at the cost of the projects and the communities and she needs to go. - Next, they need to start from the top Restructure the WMF and get rid of all the incompetent schmucks, worthless billets and POV...

Graaf Statler

The way I see it, we have two options here. The first, which we'll call the "BURN WITH FIRE!" option, would have us deleting threads like this as soon as we see them, though unfortunately we might not see them until others have had a chance to respond to them with posts saying "This is spam" and so...

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In fairness that's kinda what they did with James Alexander. He was an active editor and then got hired on at the WMF and since then hardly edits at all (which is a good thing). Unfortunately he was also promoted into a position where he is allowed to intimidate and bully other editors and has infl...

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Gosh this is a crazy rule. All the Wikipedia pages are paid for and guarded by copyrighted curriculum. There are too many paid editors to count, editing to protect their salaries, paid to them by universities determining the reliable sources to use. It's a huge paradox. We haven't got any crazy rul...

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Que será, será, What I know is from the internet products of lets say fifteen years ago is not much left. It is very hard to predict. Will WMF gets itself together? Or are they continuing this kamikaze road right into the ravine? Ends it up in a huge scandal? Will the donors stop to give them money?...

Graaf Statler

A fact is Wikipedia is a nobody's child, and maybe that is the difference. Maybe it is because WMF and its director don't give a damn about the community's and the chapters only cares about the chapters. Wikipedia is one big sewer and everybody is doing his pee and poo in it and nobody feels respons...

Graaf Statler

I think you must look at it as a much more friendly and sometimes useful product for free with pretty high moral standards and you must forget the term encyclopedia, just as you have to do with Wikipedia. I had a lot of conversations with Paul and that guys and yes, it is a commercial project but so...

Graaf Statler

Correct, altough I had given this example before . Maybe we must definite better what we mean, we are talking about a a crowd sourcing Wiki. And that is the reason I give Everipedia a good change to be the successor of Wikipedia because they are a kind of Facebook and not pretending to write a encyc...

Graaf Statler

All right, but let us return to the subject new wiki's. Because that is a interesting subject, special in relation to Google. In my opinion is Wikipedia far beyond repair and will never be the universele source of knowledge because the many self destructive system errors. Nobody can fix that in the ...

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+1

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i always have learned from my mother that old news papers where to wrap fish, I remember me still the fish and chips in good, old England wrapt in old newspapers. But I think Jimmy had the illusion google should buy his warmed fish and chips from weeks and years ago, but Google for sure has better a...

Graaf Statler

Ming, I am still waiting for your answer. Is Wikipedia more than a computergame for you, or just a computergame?

Graaf Statler

Ming wrote:Yes, but you don't go!

Ming, just for your information, this is nor Wikipedia. Yes, I know there is some misunderstanding about that, but as far as I know it Wipediocrazy written above it and seems it to be a critical wikipedia side although Crow and sometimes me too has a other opinion.

Graaf Statler

Great, I got it. It is realy fun and I like the software so much more than Wikimedia software. Special because it is posible to embed YouTube Video's and the lay out is much better. And the freedom of course, I am have now started a article about a Dutch/English street musician who for sure deserve ...

Graaf Statler

A pity, a bit too far away Paul. The Science Museum, there I was with my parents when I was a kid. I remember me something of a huge pendulum. By the way, a petty I failed to post my article traveling to Athos this evening on Everipedia. And to link the video's I need your help.

Graaf Statler

Good afternoon lady's and gentleman here from Holland, what a great discussion. But I am afraid it does't lead us somewhere, so what about stopping it?

Graaf Statler

Kum! What did I tell you before? Corruption is a accepted part of Wikipedia. A sysop is different, is more, has nobility. TonyBallioni? Dirty as hell, a perfect CU! GW had a bad block? The end of the wiki world. Trijnstel a troll from the first category? it is fine, Support! Perfect steward. Moira t...

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Weird discussion. a few clique leaders dominate certain things and sanctimoniously demand compliance with rules that they flout and That doesn't mean I will not hold that the policy against personal attacks is primarily used to protect dishonest people and bullies, or that there are not cliques of b...

Graaf Statler

In the first place i have not any strong feeling about Wikipedia, Wikipedia had a strong feeling about me from the first moment on. I am always launched. Most timex I did nothing or said something what was in my opinion complete innocent and it ended up in a tremendous riot. My user page was always ...

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Who knows the Romaine Dimi Brussels disaster change anything. For sure it makes wikipedia much less interesting for Google now, it is risky to use the content anymore if that article 13 is imbedded in the national legal systems of the EU country's. But anyway it would be wise of Google to think abou...

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No offence, but this is the point where I stopped reading... Well... first off, it's rather mean-spirited to say that people are foolish for participating in "Wikipedia alternatives." It may be true in the short term, and perhaps the medium term, if the person's goal is to write and publish article...

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From an editor standpoint it's a shame when these things happen and a longterm and high output editor/admin is lost. On the same token Wikipedia is no longer about building an encyclopedia and the community and the WMF has lost it's way so no big deal. Just another battle won for us hasten the daye...

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It is extreem difficult to say Google is doing something wrong or not I explained before. I said it so often, in Europe with it's strange and unpredictable legal system ist man vor Gericht und auf hoher See in Gottes Hand. It is impossible to say for us how it ends up if any wiki, for instance Ever...

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look, someone with a small wiki like Guido, Augie or Shashi have will not go to a court, no. That is far to expensive. But for instance Evripedia could! And how that should end up, I think indeed only the lord and the European court or institutions knows and not we........ I know exactly how it wou...

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look, someone with a small wiki like Guido, Augie or Shashi have will not go to a court, no. That is far to expensive. But for instance Evripedia could! And how that should end up, I think indeed only the lord and the European court or institutions knows and not we........

Graaf Statler

Also nice. The "discussion" on Meta starring TonyBalloini.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_ta ... dad#E-mail

Graaf Statler

It is extreem difficult to say Google is doing something wrong or not I explained before. I said it so often, in Europe with it's strange and unpredictable legal system ist man vor Gericht und auf hoher See in Gottes Hand. It is impossible to say for us how it ends up if any wiki, for instance Everi...

Graaf Statler

Did you have any news about Mahbod Paul? It is a ugly story when you read it. So young, so brilliant, it is terrible!

Graaf Statler

look Eric, it is not up to us how this is judged by the European authorities or judges. They are the ones who decide if this construction is allowed or not if someone complain. That is the way our legal system operates, we call the toetsen aan de wet . Tests to the law. And the judge or the authori...

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look Eric, it is not up to us how this is judged by the European authorities or judges. They are the ones who decide if this construction is allowed or not if someone complain. That is the way our legal system operates, we call the toetsen aan de wet . Tests to the law. And the judge or the authori...

Graaf Statler

look Eric, it is not up to us how this is judged by the European authorities or judges. They are the ones who decide if this construction is allowed or not if someone complain. That is the way our legal system operates, we call the toetsen aan de wet . Tests to the law. And the judge or the authori...

Graaf Statler

Not interesting, and a random test is nothing, Eric. In general Wikipedia is topranking, and that is where it is about.

Graaf Statler

look Eric, it is not up to us how this is judged by the European authorities or judges. They are the ones who decide if this construction is allowed or not if someone complain. That is the way our legal system operates, we call the toetsen aan de wet . Tests to the law. And the judge or the authorit...

Graaf Statler

Whaledad is the sysop of Wikiquote-NL. The story of ToniBalloini was of course much more complicated because dirty Trijnstel, Moira wiki witch the human bot (with Ymnes as a pilot), Mdd, the man who doesn't even understand himself, and many other wiki troll stars were involved. Tonibalioni is as dir...

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I think I understand what you mean. Wikipedia is top ranking as the site Wikipedia, and because of that a wiki article is topranking. Wel, this looks to me extreem interesting stuff for a judge in our legal Code Napoleon system how this must be interoperated. Bingo! You've got it. Wikipedia is actu...

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One can only assume that Drmies' bit about grammar is to suggest that sysops (unlike all the other assembled rabble) don't have to obey the same speech rules about typing after the close? Because really, this guy is an English professor ... He wrote: " if I had been you, I'd have someone else close...

Graaf Statler

Thank you, Sashi, and Paul, my minimac l is fixed so lets have a try again tonight! I love it there!
Everipedia and Wikipedia is the difference between the wiki heaven and Wiki hell, and no, I have no commercial interest.

Graaf Statler

[...] if I wrote a article about it doesn't matter what, at least in Europe, at the moment I saved that article, it was/is top ranking in Google and there is it about. Without any hits, and sometimes with hardly any information because it was only the starter. And I asked in general is this allowed...

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[...] if I wrote a article about it doesn't matter what, at least in Europe, at the moment I saved that article, it was/is top ranking in Google and there is it about. Without any hits, and sometimes with hardly any information because it was only the starter. And I asked in general is this allowed...

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