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Malleus

You can take consolation from the fact that I wasn't invited to join Peter's site. I wasn't either. I registered anyway of course. Oh, and Malleus, sorry if you took any comments regarding Borley from me as in any way personal. That wasn't my intention. Not in the slightest. In fact I'm intending t...

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You can take consolation from the fact that I wasn't invited to join Peter's site.

Malleus

It would be sensible for Wikipedia to lock such threads, at least until the basic facts are established. Why? Its not as if facts stand in the way of any of the other blog posts on that site. The "why" ought to be obvious. The reason they don't do it of course is because of that idiotic "anyone can...

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It would be sensible for Wikipedia to lock such threads, at least until the basic facts are established.

Malleus

The Joy wrote:
Zoloft wrote:I'm a member.
Like any new-born baby it's impossible to tell right now if it's going to amount to anything or not.
I'm in as well, though I can't tell if they are enthusiastic about having me or not.

You're almost certainly more welcome there than I am here.

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While the above is fairly flippant, a non-trivial number of my muslim co-workers, friends etc left weeks ago. For the them the Hajj is about the entire journey and ending up at Mecca. It pretty much starts when they leave their front door. Well, exactly. Then again, we shouldn't be dashing Mr. Mall...

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It [Wikipedia] is reliably unreliable, and reliably biased. That's nonsense. If it was reliably biased then it would be reliably biased in one direction or another. Just like The Daily Mail for instance. You can be guaranteed of bias on every page, however the direction of the bias depends on the c...

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Midsize Jake wrote:
Malleus wrote:The Hajj hasn't started yet.
Yes, but has the season started? It might be like the NBA, where the season starts in November but nobody actually pays attention until the playoffs begin months later.

To make such a suggestion might well be a beheading offence in some parts of the world.

Malleus

sparkzilla wrote:
It [Wikipedia] is reliably unreliable, and reliably biased.

That's nonsense. If it was reliably biased then it would be reliably biased in one direction or another. Just like The Daily Mail for instance.

Malleus

Moreover, during my visit to the Weather Channel's website I learned that just hours ago, a large construction crane in Mecca was knocked over by high winds and landed directly on the Grand Mosque in the middle of Hajj season, tragically killing at least 100 people and injuring at least 200 more - ...

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2 years * 365 days/year * 3.5 hours/day = 2555 unpaid hours that accomplish almost nothing and are unpleasant at the best of times. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Hmmm, true. Vigilant if you spend a minute a post (at ~10000) then you've only spent 166 hours writing here. No doubt Vigilant fe...

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MMAR is rather confused, or unaware of the facts. I am forbidden to take part in threaded discussions at RfA or its talk page, and never do so. Consequently I'm not allowed to express whatever my opinion may be. You can vote , though, and your talk page is practically a hub. Putting that (and the f...

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To refresh your memory, Liz's RfA just last month was the last time you had ample opportunity to object if you didn't think that your clique members, sorry, admirers, repeatedly labeling you as a "content creator" in the factional sense was appropriate. You said precisely nothing, ergo it must be a...

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If every content creator left, of course it would be an issue but we are talking about an individual (or at least a couple individuals). I was responding to this. You and your content creators ... That wording must mean more than one or two people. By you and your content creators I mean EC, Schroc...

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==Potential admin== Hi, I notice you're on Wikipedia:List of administrator hopefuls . Wikipedia would benefit from more admins. If you have been editing for more than 12 months (preferably 24+ months), and have been editing fairly consistently for the past 6 months (preferably 12+ months) with at l...

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More interesting comments from MMAR re: Cassianto As I've written before, Cassianto almost certainly has mental problems. I would suggest he's frustrated, unsuccessful, short, and has an unattractive wife. He's clearly neither intelligent nor an academic. Put it this way: if he were successful, tal...

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Zironic wrote:
Vigilant wrote: You'll notice eric didn't refute your point.
There's no need for him to refute it though. I don't think anyone actually thinks that Eric Corbett, drmies etc are actually critical to the project.

That's rather a trivial point, as nobody is critical to the project, not even you.

Malleus

While an article really is a FA, i.e. while it is actually on the home page, it invariably receives a torrent of edits. It would be sensible to lock such articles, but that proposal is of course always rejected with horror. Why should any different procedure be followed after it's left the home pag...

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Thirdly, and most deliciously, these guys aren't even the best 'content creators' on wikipedia. They're the B team who scurry around the edges and spend time on the drama boards and try to look important while almost all of the people working on articles just get to it without all of the histrionic...

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More interesting comments from MMAR re: Cassianto As I've written before, Cassianto almost certainly has mental problems. I would suggest he's frustrated, unsuccessful, short, and has an unattractive wife. He's clearly neither intelligent nor an academic. Put it this way: if he were successful, tal...

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What the fuck are you on about? If men and women on Wikipedia (and perhaps elsewhere) are agreeing to combat you, or what you represent to them, then maybe to you that would just look like "fighting." Whereas to them, it's constructive, forward-thinking action. As I said, what the fuck are you on a...

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Would you be open to the proposition that both men and women are discriminated against, but perhaps in different ways? Sure, but it's a question of degree, not an either/or proposition. And if "different ways" means that female factory workers get paid less than male factory workers for the same wo...

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Would you be open to the proposition that both men and women are discriminated against, but perhaps in different ways? Sure, but it's a question of degree, not an either/or proposition. And if "different ways" means that female factory workers get paid less than male factory workers for the same wo...

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In order to bring validity to your position, which presumably is that men are subject to precisely the same kinds of discrimination as women in the workplace, you have to produce an example of a different situation in which women are deliberately and routinely paid more than men for the same work, ...

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In order to bring validity to your position, which presumably is that men are subject to precisely the same kinds of discrimination as women in the workplace, you have to produce an example of a different situation in which women are deliberately and routinely paid more than men for the same work, ...

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In order to bring validity to your position, which presumably is that men are subject to precisely the same kinds of discrimination as women in the workplace, you have to produce an example of a different situation in which women are deliberately and routinely paid more than men for the same work, ...

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Doesn't that work both ways? How do you know what men experience? Did I ever say I did? Yes you did, right above here. Or rather you claimed to know what men don't experience, same difference. Ok, so you have been given a work, which paid 20% less that the women you were working with, *solely* beca...

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The Adversary wrote:
Malleus wrote: Doesn't that work both ways? How do you know what men experience?
Did I ever say I did?

Yes you did, right above here.

Or rather you claimed to know what men don't experience, same difference.

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How do you know what men experience? Because whenever women are talking about what they experience, men insist on butting in and telling them. Really? But that wasn't my point. How do women know what men experience, any more than men know what women experience? Isn't this gender political correctne...

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Yeah, well: when I was 18, and had my first "serious" summer-job, two months at a factory. My country had just passed a law at the time: equal pay for equal work. So what did they do? Placed me in the "female" assembly -line work, while placing my male colleagues in "supervising"-jobs, .......payin...

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Anroth wrote:Thats what a sock would say....

... or someone who's telling the truth.

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Oblia wrote:Is J3Mrs an EC sock?)

No.

Malleus

Anyway, it's an interesting problem from WP's perspective, but if it were my encyclopedia I'd take the image out completely. I'm guessing that would satisfy Doc James...? I'm not sure why they put it in there in the first place, but regardless, claiming "censorship" when someone tries to remove it ...

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I was thinking ...scenario. The man often makes statements and claims which do not bear scrutiny. He often makes promises and doesn't follow through on them. It's one of the things that Wales and Corbett have in common. Really? What you have in common with MMAR is an obsession with lying. Your word...

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AndyTheGrump wrote:How many of your posts are about you, Malleus?

None. Not unless I'm being discussed or abused, which happens all too often here.

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I was thinking ...scenario. The man often makes statements and claims which do not bear scrutiny. He often makes promises and doesn't follow through on them. It's one of the things that Wales and Corbett have in common. Really? What you have in common with MMAR is an obsession with lying. Your word...

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WTN wrote:
Pablo wrote:
WTN wrote: I was thinking ...scenario.
The man often makes statements and claims which do not bear scrutiny.
He often makes promises and doesn't follow through on them. It's one of the things that Wales and Corbett have in common.

Really? What you have in common with MMAR is an obsession with lying.

Malleus

sparkzilla wrote:The editors pay themselves?

That would be a good trick.

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sparkzilla wrote:But if you pay people they'll only work on the most profitable topics. And surely most encyclopedia topics are not that profitable. And where does the money come from?

Do you mean where did it come from? From paid editors of course.

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Ming wrote:
Johnny Au wrote:There is also Latin profanity (T-H-L).
What's surprising, considering classicists, is that the article doesn't cite any number of of learned articles on scatology and the like, for they are sure out there.

True, but who's being paid to write those articles?

Malleus

Now be fair. I posted ten people Jimbo probably wishes would go away that are not blocked or gone. Lots of the people you guys are blatting about are blocked, socking away, or are still there but hardly matter anymore. I don't think the Jimster wishes that I was "blocked or gone." Some things I say...

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The question is about WHY it's not complete. Some people may prefer EB because it has the feeling of completeness. What policies and structural issues does Wikipedia have that lend themselves to the feeling of incompleteness. Because time doesn't stop when you publish. If the WMF wanted to pay edit...

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Is this to be anything other than a popularity contest?

Malleus

That was ten days ago, and nothing to do with me. As I've stated many times, it's not our fault that when people on Wikipedia use the term "content creator," they immediately think "Eric Corbett." That's on you. You messed that shit up all by yourself - you're the one who created all that content, ...

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sparkzilla wrote:You're the one who said, "The "encyclopedia" part is by no means done". 14 years is a long time. Why do you think it isn't complete?

Because it can never be complete. How old is the EB? That's not complete either, and never will be.

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Because it isn't being properly organised or co-ordinated. Let's explore this issue. One would think that 14 years would be long enough for an encyclopedia to be organized. What is causing the failure in organization? You start by assuming that there's a failure. Let's consider the published Encycl...

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Hex wrote:Tree traversal (T-H-L) - mmm... uncited blobs of pseudocode.

That's pretty poor admittedly, but many other IT articles are just as bad if not worse.

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...if we had the statistical tools available to obtain such numbers, I'm pretty sure we'd find that his unquoted-words:posts ratio is the lowest on the site, and probably by quite a large margin. Do you think it's intellectually honest to base your conclusions on biased guesswork? That's educated g...

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Shocker. He ain't doing it. And it's all everybody elses fault, or something. 676833163 I don't think anyone seriously thought that he would, as it would have been an incredibly foolish thing to do even by his standards. But he did offer to make his imaginary list available to anyone who asked, so ...

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With respect, I don't think you should judge people by their post count. Mr. Corbett has a fairly high post count - he's currently ranked 31st, which is more than one of our moderators and two of our trustees. But if we had the statistical tools available to obtain such numbers, I'm pretty sure we'...

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