Wikipediocracy

SneakySasha

Earthy Astringent wrote:
Western white women have it so hard compared to women in third world countries,

I will forever wonder why this is a valid comparison.

SneakySasha

I still have no idea why ARBCOM can't see wikiclogy for what he is. A grifter. If by 'grifter' you mean someone who intentionally signed up to Wikipedia for the purposes of extracting funds under false pretences, I'd have to say he's a remarkably incompetent one... So... just how would one successf...

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Ah. Just a red user S/he is one of those editors who likes to have no user page. Their current project is some pie-in-the-sky idea to "Reform Wikipedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:QuackGuru/Reform_of_Wikipedia%20 . Wikipedia hasn't been what they claim to be for years now so I'd say it's lo...

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Ah. Just a red user S/he is one of those editors who likes to have no user page. Their current project is some pie-in-the-sky idea to "Reform Wikipedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:QuackGuru/Reform_of_Wikipedia%20 . Wikipedia hasn't been what they claim to be for years now so I'd say it's lo...

SneakySasha

Ah. Just a red user S/he is one of those editors who likes to have no user page. Their current project is some pie-in-the-sky idea to "Reform Wikipedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:QuackGuru/Reform_of_Wikipedia%20 . Wikipedia hasn't been what they claim to be for years now so I'd say it's lo...

SneakySasha

Ah, I always wonder which newbies are better off. Those editors who get banned from Wikipedia immediately, or those editors who do not! Presumably, everyone we disapprove of on the site was a newbie once. Who can tell which newbie will surmount the initial obstacles and go on to be a dreadful admin...

SneakySasha

Ah, I always wonder which newbies are better off. Those editors who get banned from Wikipedia immediately, or those editors who do not!

SneakySasha

I have a bit of creative vandalism tucked deep in a lengthy Wikipedia article. It's a rather silly claim that a major company teamed up with a couple of very minor companies to engage in a (fictional) trans-Atlantic yacht race with a quite foolish name. There's even a photo of a yacht sailing under...

SneakySasha

One of the problems with this site (not that we don't see it on Wikipedia as well) is how certain members are so willing to just make shit up about people they have never met. I've been an admin for seven years and a functionary for five. Not once have I felt a surge of godlike power from my abilit...

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Kingsindian wrote: The appeal, from what I could see had a slim to no chance of succeeding.

This could be said of all appeals on Wikipedia!

SneakySasha

Experienced people know exactly what a checkuser can show, and if they don't take appropriate steps they are idiots. Don't forget that most sockhunting doesn't rely on checkuser but on things that anyone can do, such as the duck test. The duck test. Such an awesome brilliance of co-stupidity! [link...

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An editor wonders where his lawyer is as he tries to appeal a topic ban. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Ollie231213 P.S. I don't understand how this works - how is this a "fair trial" if just some editors turn up and...

SneakySasha

So... is this a paid gig?

SneakySasha

136/66 is pretty much exactly the same % as Hawkeye7, who apparently needed a crat chat to confirm what most people already knew - i.e. his complete inability to be trusted with the block button. Why was this different? Because it's not a vote it's a vote it's not about counting votes, it's the str...

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Anroth wrote:A man who would poison a dog is hiding more than just the poison...

If he's smart, he's hiding the dog!

SneakySasha

Ah, okay I was just trying to get a fix on this obsessiveness with COI going on here. It's got another day and I might read more about it, but while I was going to vote keep, I'm now thinking I should just stay away.

Wondering if COI is another reason that deters experts from editing Wikipedia?

SneakySasha

Brianhe (T-C-L) appears to be an extreme sports hunter of COI editors. Apparently, OUTing is a-ok for the right reasons!

(Well, that's the gist of it from what bits I read.)

SneakySasha

Cell phone number? Facebook doesn't require a cell number for each account, but highly encourages it. It's like you want Wikipedia to turn into a text factory, where real people get hired to produce pages of content and then get a monthly salary. "Encyclopedia editor at Wikipedia LLC" :popcorn: I h...

SneakySasha

I'm wondering if any of you have ever actually spent any time on any forums where the majority of the users are women? 'Cause overall, it's much, much less of what I can only classify as a "war-like" environment. Facebook has more adult women users than adult male users. It feels a little "war-like...

SneakySasha

I'm wondering if any of you have ever actually spent any time on any forums where the majority of the users are women? 'Cause overall, it's much, much less of what I can only classify as a "war-like" environment. I have, and while direct aggressive "fuck you" type behavior is non-existent, there ar...

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I'm wondering if any of you have ever actually spent any time on any forums where the majority of the users are women? 'Cause overall, it's much, much less of what I can only classify as a "war-like" environment. Also, (and this can be disputed since I cannot find where I read it) I recall seeing a ...

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anyone who once didn't get their own way in an edit war about anything may easily frame that as "harassment", and the survey, as presented, tends to encourage that. This is the very argument used to silence those editors who believe they are being harassed. And oftentimes those editors were actuall...

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You know, I am going to be trying again for RfA myself, and I know there will be a measurable number of the "automatically oppose" hit me too (and also off-wiki discussion as happened at my last on and is ongoing for Hawkeye as well...). Not sure if it's worth the headache, as I also will probably ...

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The crat chat isn't going well - yet. But Hawkeye has only himself to blame here, really; if he'd conducted the RFA with a little more "yes, I fucked up, yes I understand why, and this is why it won't happen again" he would have flown through. But he's still arguing petty points and avoiding questi...

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SB_Johnny wrote:
Starke Hathaway wrote:Second, did you just cite my supposed unfamiliarity with 90s-era Usenet practices as a sign that I don't "get out much"?
Congratulations, you won the internet today.

If I were them, I'd request a better prize!

SneakySasha

Amglish wrote:If you go so far out on the cynical edge there is no answer. Are we there yet here? Moreover I don't want my hand greased.

If you don't believe it's more important who you know on Wikipedia, it means you know somebody!

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85% reporting content vandalism as their most frequent form of harassment. Surely it's only harassment of it's aimed at you rather than being random vandalism or an attack on the article without knowing who wrote it. What makes you think the editors who responded to the survey were too stupid to un...

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Amglish wrote: I do know that he disregards other editors not in a position to "help" him.

Okay. Now explain how that differs from the rest of the active Admin? Because from what I've observed everyone's greasing somebody's hand.

SneakySasha

LynnWysong wrote:
Another astute observation: Those that are guilty of particular acts themselves are more likely to suspect others of it.

SneakySasha

And finally, has anyone noticed how it's the women of Wikipedia who spend a lot of their time hunting for socks? I spent over a year clerking at SPI and did a ton of sock blocks, dealing with reports, etc. If anything, women seemed less likely to report socks. There are a few who seem to a lot of t...

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I have this theory that these socks who create accounts like spud1, spud2, spud3, spud4, spud5, spud6, etc are also creating accounts like TomThumb so while the sock hunters are busy over here the sock can do edits over there. A sort of left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. I also bel...

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I would say I've never been harassed on the web before making an account on Wikipedia. One reason I made an account was because I kept hearing how awful it was on Reddit (and not just from the gamergate crowd!) I figured I could write a few articles because there really are some big holes on Wikiped...

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If you count range blocks, they number in the quintillions.... I meant actual, named accounts. Think back, Vigilant. People have been banned from WO just like they have been from WP; often for very similar sorts of reasons. Given that WO has only ever had 1,000 registered members or so, the percent...

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Sock hunting is an often abused past time on Wikipedia that many admins do just because they can run up their numbers. Its easy to accuse someone of being a DUCK because they know too much for a new user. The fact is a high number of the current active contributing community has used another accoun...

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:popcorn: interesting topic, anyone who is accused has about a 80% chance of being blocked. Its guilty until proven innocent if <sarcasm>a fine upstanding editor</sarcasm> accuses you I totally agree and I have to say I love the username. I am surprised it wasn't already taken. :welcome: I was quit...

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Hawkeye7 is a dishonest asshole. His supports must come from "hasten the day" voters. Or, it's editors who truly believe in second chances! Which I'd call something positive on a web site full of negativity. However, I doubt he gets in based on all those oppose votes who follow editors they "respec...

SneakySasha

Welcome Beeblebrox. SneakySasha, please don't hijack the thread. If you really want to keep talking about that, reply in a new thread and I'll split the posts from this thread into it. I was going to protest your point but upon review the evidence against me is quite damning! :XD So thanks for the ...

SneakySasha

I really don't believe anyone (except perhaps a few Wikipedians) even cares about DYK's. Wikipedia's front page is extremely dated in appearance, and most readers arrive through a search engine which completely bypasses the front page anyway. In fact, Wikipedia could probably survive quite nicely wi...

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Ok, I've been lurking here for some time, but this right here is a topic I can get behind. DYK is soooo weird. The people proposing the "hooks" routinely sacrifice basic coherence in favor of trying what they (wrongly) believe is incredibly clever phrasing or a subtle joke (that isn't actually funn...

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Vigilant was saying that Wikipediocracy welcomes a more diverse set of beliefs and opinions than Wikipedia, not a more diverse set of people. I'm still not convinced that is true. Not every expression of diversity belongs in an article, but if you forget about all the admin/cu/os/arb and stay out o...

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Poetlister wrote:
Now you and Kelly should propose the motion you'd like, and see what happens!

Whelp, we're definitely going to need more

for that!

SneakySasha

I believe Hawkeye7 (T-C-L) wants to focus more on DYK's as a part of his adminship.

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Silent Editor wrote:
tarantino wrote:He's now stepped down.
Less than 25 hours after he said he was staying on!

That's some turnabout. Maybe he and Doc James could catch up and compare the knife wounds in their backs?

The board gets rid of Doc James and the "community" gets rid of Geshuri. Pretty sound quid pro quo there!

SneakySasha

Actually Zoloft I don’t need love and Dennis is quite right about one thing – this site increasingly favours the reformists. It will always be that way. They can yabber about Wikipedian personalities and politics until the cows come home, as if that crap matters, whereas the hasten the day mob tend...

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Zoloft wrote:
SneakySasha wrote:
Vigilant wrote:Following the rules means that sometimes you don't get to have a good hanging
What, pray tell, is a good hanging?
For a lynch mob, any hanging is a good one.

Clearly, I was being way to cerebral. Forgive me!

SneakySasha

You are correct, but I think it would often hurt the defendant regardless of where it was based from. Liz's idea is the right one; give moral support via email. I've done that plenty at Arb and even RFA, and it doesn't interfere with the case or their chances. I will say that I think WO is getting ...

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Vigilant wrote:Following the rules means that sometimes you don't get to have a good hanging

What, pray tell, is a good hanging?

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On Ariel Fernandez 's talk page... OOOh. Then I rest my case! Retraction Watch is a wordpress blog and as you have just said: "A wordpress blog is likely not going to be usable as a reliable source." Apparently, he wanted to correct his BLP, but apparently asking for help https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

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We need a journalist who is insightful enough to reframe the perspective as: "Wikipedia editors are 90% male. This is good news because it shows that women are smart enough to realize that their lives and their communities will be of much better benefit with their time spent elsewhere than spinning...

SneakySasha

How 'bout this one, Katia's Russian Tea Room (T-H-L)?

Love the IP comment on the talk page, How to make an article: Let 90% of the text be links.

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