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LynnWysong

I had a problem with it the other day.

LynnWysong

Randy from Boise wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:48 pm
There are one or more staffers who periodically write "official" Trump tweets. The incoherent, barely literate, right wing-pandering stupidity — we know that comes straight from the horse's ass.

RfB

Not to mention the middle-school names he uses for those that stand up to him.

LynnWysong

Anyway, it's a bummer about Kobe, his daughter, and all the other victims of the helicopter crash. Another reminder of why I've never liked helicopters. :sadbanana: Sounds like the problem was the fog. Air travel is only safer if you don't need to be able to see where you're going. Very sad event. ...

LynnWysong

Shortly after the news of Kobe Bryant's death was announced, Trump tweeted this: https://twitter.com/PelosiAndSchiff/status/1221619010346684416, Trump original tweet An hour or so later, Obama tweeted this: https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1221552460768202756, Obama tweet , Then two hours late...

LynnWysong

Ah. Yes.

LynnWysong

It was a bad close by Ivanvector. The !votes were evenly split 50-50, with more opposes coming in at the time of the close than supports. To me this looks like an attempt by Ivan to curry favor with the proposer of the I-ban. Of course none of the admits would admit there is a problem with the clos...

LynnWysong

Did you read the thread? There's an article in the Washington Post, not regarded as a garbage source by most people, about a Wikipedia-related matter. Anyway, do we have evidence that Wikipedia regards The New American as a garbage source? I would consider any publication by an advocacy group as a ...

LynnWysong

Gee, I can't imagine why we wouldn't trust the middle-class KKK's hate propaganda as a source.... Has The New American ever been discussed on the Reliable Sources noticeboard? I suppose that if not, then prima facie it has to be regarded as a reliable source. If there ever is a discussion, it is ve...

LynnWysong

Here's a different view of the story: Checking the Web on Hunter Biden? A 36-year-old physicist helps decide what you’ll see. It was Friday night, and a physicist in the Northeast cast an eye over the Wikipedia page for Hunter Biden, the former vice president’s son suddenly at the center of a natio...

LynnWysong

Just had my own skirmish with SPECIFICO (T-C-L). At least this time I'm smart enough to realize that there's no sense fighting in the mud with pigs.

LynnWysong

Yep. The block/ban distinction is nuanced and frankly somewhat contradictory in places. Basically, think of a community ban as a siteban that’s enacted through the same process as a topic ban at AN/ANI. They’re pretty uncommon now because most times an indef from an uninvolved admin will happen bef...

LynnWysong

It's not possible to appeal the block. Would getting your block turned into a community ban help get it appealable (since it'd no longer merely be a block)? If you get an AN/ANI discussion on an unblock request (i.e., by requesting one through UTRS) and no consensus to unblock emerges, you're consi...

LynnWysong

...The point is, the WMF overstepped. If the function of the T&S committee was to deal with pedophiles and other potentially dangerous editors, and started using their authority to ban those that should have been the venue of Arb-Com, those bans should be overturned and the issue turned back over t...

LynnWysong

None of the other T&S actions were made using the new tactical powers T&S gave themselves, they were global, permanent bans for nutters, paedos, and other such wrong'uns; there is a distinction. I don't believe Brillyle, Kumioko or several others were any of those things. They definitely were not, ...

LynnWysong

Now what the community needs to do is to demand the ArbCom allow them to transparently review all the other San Fran Bans. Arbcom lacks the time, stomach, and expertise to ban editors for pursuing children, which may leave them personally liable to defamation suits, etc. This is why Arbcom asked th...

LynnWysong

Neil wrote:None of the other T&S actions were made using the new tactical powers T&S gave themselves, they were global, permanent bans for nutters, paedos, and other such wrong'uns; there is a distinction.

I don't believe Brillyle, Kumioko or several others were any of those things.

LynnWysong

Been a productive night. I'm actually mildly pleased with what I've read of this so far. I'm sure I'll find something to dislike, but the promise to discontinue the star chamber until further notice reads like a big victory to me. Now what the community needs to do is to demand the ArbCom allow the...

LynnWysong

Saving this for Brenda Wahler's inevitable RfA Those who understand the feelings of frustration that arise over problematic editors and editing are actually in an excellent place to discuss where the line needs to be drawn, Ernie. This is about Fram's behavior and no one else's. He was the one who ...

LynnWysong

Moral Hazard wrote:
LynnWysong wrote:The fact that Donald Trump is our President is proof of why we do not need more Gerdas.
You have an idiosyncratic notion of proof.

We can agree to disagree. Just let it be known, I am no admirer of Gerda.

LynnWysong

Gerda was just recently encouraging her to try for another https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMontanabw&type=revision&diff=901994580&oldid=901982830,RFA . Gerda is kind, and she likes to say a word to raise people's spirits. The world could use more of Gerdas. Umm no. There's a ...

LynnWysong

Brenda's nasty little gang https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=6849 As detailed in the Montanabw RfA thread viewtopic.php?f=14&t=6822, the ANI report stemmed from Greg embarking on a bit or revenge editting of Richard J. Jensen , because Rjensen had opposed Montanabw. After a char...

LynnWysong

Brenda Wahler is a lying, nasty, untrustworthy bully. Anything that grows with her involvement is corrupt from inception. And yet, the Pollyanna-ish Gerda was just recently encouraging her to try for another https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMontanabw&type=revision&diff=9019945...

LynnWysong

Funny that Brenda Wahler aka MontanaBW is opining on the WP:FRAM page in mock horror and outrage... I think that it is absolutely critical that the issues so articulately raised by BU Rob13 and PaleCloudedWhite are addressed, as the protection of possible victims is paramount. Few of us have the en...

LynnWysong

mendaliv wrote: As to how things work in San Francisco County, I'm not even gonna guess at that.

Spare me.

LynnWysong

As much as I like the idea, I think that if I was indefinitely blocked by Arbcom, or banned by WMF, I would just shrug my shoulders and walk away rather than pay for representation...if I was a totally anonymous user. Being's as I use my real name, however (Lynn is my middle name, but I originally ...

LynnWysong

Swear to god, I need to start gabbing with the lawyers on-wiki about getting an actual enwiki law firm going. People need representation before ArbCom, and in suing WMF. So much bullshit in this whole situation. Sign me up for some of those sweet, sweet expert witness dollars! $375/hour, Ten hour m...

LynnWysong

I know no one wants to hear it from me or cares about what I think........my bullshit ban, which was exactly the same......... Correct. tim Well guess what, most of the complaints about the Fram situation apply to my ban and every other WMF ban. So if people didn't have a problem with the process t...

LynnWysong

Couple of quick questions: - Second question (especially directed at Mendaliv and any others with legal knowledge). If an editor received a WMF conduct warning, what would you advise them to do (e.g, go public on-wiki?) and what legal options (if any) do they have? Same question if an editor is hit...

LynnWysong

To answer the unasked questions: I have no regrets in handing in the bit, I don't expect to ask for it back unless some radical changes take place, and if changes don't take place, I'm already packing up my desk in the event I need to retire. I'm a busy business owner, and frankly, all this drama h...

LynnWysong

Couple of quick questions: - Second question (especially directed at Mendaliv and any others with legal knowledge). If an editor received a WMF conduct warning, what would you advise them to do (e.g, go public on-wiki?) and what legal options (if any) do they have? Same question if an editor is hit...

LynnWysong

Couple of quick questions: - Second question (especially directed at Mendaliv and any others with legal knowledge). If an editor received a WMF conduct warning, what would you advise them to do (e.g, go public on-wiki?) and what legal options (if any) do they have? Same question if an editor is hit...

LynnWysong

I think you're correct that the smoking gun is what Iridescent identified at the very start of all this - The only dispute I can see Fram involved in in the last couple of months was Wikipedia talk:No personal attacks#Harassment, mocking or otherwise disrespecting someone on the basis of gender ide...

LynnWysong

And you've gotta be careful with "negro". The speed at which that word became offensive is astounding. I was watching a continuing education video the other day and the lawyer giving the lecture was talking about getting an arbitrator recused because he'd used that word to describe someone's client...

LynnWysong

Thinking of just how offensive what Fram said was (in case it’s not clear, what he said is completely unacceptable in the U.S., even if he wasn’t calling Fae that slur), ... Is it really the case that in America you can't even *say* the word, not even when talking about hypothetical examples of its...

LynnWysong

I'm becoming more convinced that one of the key diffs is actually this one: 896140838 . I can completely see WMF wanting to act directly and short-circuit ArbCom because of what happened a previous time someone prominent used a slur (that time against women) on-wiki. Ding ding ding, we have a winne...

LynnWysong

Also, for anyone interested in Dr. Null's motivations for all this, this handy PDF explains it all in exhaustive detail. It's another example of how an opt-out policy would be good policy, assuming Wikipedians were really interested in producing an encyclopedia and not running a free revenge and/or...

LynnWysong

I guess it depends on the VPN but most I'm aware of, and I'm talking about ones you pay for, don't reserve a single IP for a single user and allow any user to use multiple IPs (from different parts of the world) and have been banned as a result. I suppose some gold plated VPNs may offer a dedicated...

LynnWysong

They block anything that they think is an open proxy (and they often make mistakes on that score). I don't know if a VPN looks like an open proxy. I just checked my IP through https://www.ip-tracker.org/. One field of meta data is: "Proxy Checker Header." For my IP the input is: "Not Detected" So m...

LynnWysong

If someone is truly concerned that a privacy violation could be a threat to their security they should use a VPN. From what I can see it costs about $100 a year, so price should not be a deterrent. If it is, maybe you should be spending less time on WP and instead be out working at Seven Eleven to ...

LynnWysong

We know WP has relevant policy related to CheckUser and how it is to be used, but most of us who have socked have been caught by "fishing" CUs at least a few times. Given that that's in direct violation of the rules, one would think there would be record of someone losing the tool or at least being...

LynnWysong

If someone is truly concerned that a privacy violation could be a threat to their security they should use a VPN. From what I can see it costs about $100 a year, so price should not be a deterrent. If it is, maybe you should be spending less time on WP and instead be out working at Seven Eleven to ...

LynnWysong

The protections editors should face when being CU'd cannot depend on the result of the CU, because those results aren't known until after a check is conducted. If the editor had not been a sock, what then? No editor should have to fear whether someone they are in a dispute with will use the CheckUs...

LynnWysong

I understand the issue was that Alex was one of the RfA nominators, and therefore involved in a way Checkusers generally aren't. But, the outcome would have been the same regardless. Can you imagine a scenario in which both TGS and the sock would not have been blocked? It was an incredibly blatant ...

LynnWysong

Another interesting note: RexxS's silence. No response to the myriad of Congratulations on his talk page. He reportedly has the flu, but it may be that he was so taken aback by the controversy that he's to too shell shocked to relish the "victory." Having never been admonished for his incivility and...

LynnWysong

yesterday she re-established her https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Montanabw/Duck_box,Duck Box . Happy Days are Here Again! For those unfamiliar with the Duck Box, it consists mainly of links to Lynn's talk page and the two brief blocks she had four years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...

LynnWysong

So where is Bishonen in all of this? Makes the nomination with her sock, doesn’t bother to vote, leaves her candidate completely hanging out to dry...as far as I can tell, aside from the nomination the only thing she’s done is make some weird pocketing comment to Yngvadottir. Why do people think th...

LynnWysong

I am sure RexxS will be a great admin. :D I'm sure MBW is thrilled thinking she will have another "go to admin." Ever since Dreadstar was desyssoped she's had to file SPI's and Protection Requests rather than whip off an email and get someone blocked or one the articles she owns locked down. She st...

LynnWysong

So, they are basically condoning the high-handedness with which RexxS treated Pppery and BeGoon's outrageous accusation on his talk page so that they can keep RexxS's technical skills. Making it plain to any up and coming technical experts that they will be treated like crap, and might as well find ...

LynnWysong

Rexxs has about an hour to go and is still sitting at 64%. Pretty sure that's a done deal. Maxim has closed it as crat chat but I can't see the point - there's no way they're going to turn down JBHunley and pass this. Indeed, is seems like some folks are almost desperate to find ways to discount pe...

LynnWysong

I don't think Levivich is in any way TheGracefulSlick . They have a different style of writing, and TGS had a sock blocked in January 2019, For the Damaged and in March 2019, White Siddiqah . Didn't see this before my earlier post. I agree, there's a lot of evidence against it. But, we're just havi...

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