Wikipediocracy

Rogol Domedonfors

I think we might agree on that description in the case of William Minor (poet) (T-H-L).

Rogol Domedonfors

No, the argument was that in this case the earlier meaning had no convenient alternative word to express it whereas the later meaning did. It would therefore be preferable to use it in the original meaning. Dictionaries tend to describe usages, not to prescribe or proscribing them. Prescribing words...

Rogol Domedonfors

Poetlister wrote:
Rogol Domedonfors wrote:I am explicitly suggesting that you exercise your rights in the same way, by providing some examples along the lines of the theme of the thread.
I'm trying to get everyone to agree on what the theme of the thread is.

Why would you want to do that?

Rogol Domedonfors

I am explicitly suggesting that you exercise your rights in the same way, by providing some examples along the lines of the theme of the thread.

Rogol Domedonfors

I see no-one there making any argument based on the meaning being the original as opposed to the more recent. I do recall myself making an argument based on formal registers and on the danger of confusion in using the word in two different ways in one encyclopaedia.

Rogol Domedonfors

Thank you for explaining your views on exactly what I should be doing in this thread. Perhaps you would like to illustrate your views by showing the rest of us how it should be done? Five examples should suffice.

Rogol Domedonfors

I don't recall anyone making that argument.

Rogol Domedonfors

DYK " Dolly Rudeman was [...] the only woman working in the field at the time?" That is indeed what the introduction to the article says, but unfortunately, it is not stated let alone sourced in the body of the article ("significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in ...

Rogol Domedonfors

The question at issue, in case you weren't paying attention, is not "Is astrology true" but "How would an encyclopaedia treat astrology". Your preferred position was that your encyclopaedia should say "The relative position and motion of the planets do no influence personality or the day-to-day occu...

Rogol Domedonfors

I could let someone else try, but your insistence on thinking that because you know there are open questions therefore... MAGIC... is as tiresome as it is predictable. I think I was at pains to say that I didn't believe in astrology either, but for reasons to do with experimental evidence rather th...

Rogol Domedonfors

Well, I would have you enroll in one of my classes, I guess. We can calculate what possible places in parameter space "new forces" can hide. If you would like to propose a force that, for example, influences people you need to say what its magnitude is. We can then look at whether it's in that part...

Rogol Domedonfors

DYK " Dolly Rudeman was [...] the only woman working in the field at the time?" That is indeed what the introduction to the article says, but unfortunately, it is not stated let alone sourced in the body of the article ("significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in t...

Rogol Domedonfors

Please provide a source (other than Wikipedia) which asserts (a) that the phrase "dead mall" is a jargon term in US real estate practice, and (b) that the term is never applied to malls which have closed. (a) http://www.architectureweek.com/2007/0606/building_3-2.html,Architecture Week and http://w...

Rogol Domedonfors

I am https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-August/088495.html,assured by none other than the Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities, that "You are mistaking a couple of blog posts to signify Some Grand Policy Change, but it is not so." Yes, WMF is promoting Wikipedia...

Rogol Domedonfors

What I am claiming is that it is incorrect to assert that there can be no such effects because we currently know everything that there is to know about the forces that exist in nature, to a degree sufficient to compute the interactions between various bodies in the universe. Discoveries of new phys...

Rogol Domedonfors

Personally, I'd prefer a 'properly run encyclopaedia' which permitted qualified authors to use words as and when they considered appropriate to one that attempted to impose its own arbitrary rules on language. And on the whole, I'd prefer reference works that don't assume their readers are idiots w...

Rogol Domedonfors

Imagine a person studying Nazi Germany and saying that he has no position on whether the holocaust happened or not. It's the same level of epistemological malpractice. I had been planning to continue the discussion because there were some points worth addressing. But when we got to Godwin's Law, I ...

Rogol Domedonfors

Well, we seem to be at cross-purposes. I'm not suggesting that any or all of dark energy, dark matter or a putative fifth force mediated through ultralight bosons might be responsible for astrology -- indeed I'm not suggesting that astrological phenomena have been demonstrated to have any effects at...

Rogol Domedonfors

None of this necessarily implies that he has a strong personal view for or against any of those positions -- and indeed, if he did, then he should, and it is at least plausible to assume that he would, have chosen some other subject to take as a case-study. That is borderline academic malpractice. ...

Rogol Domedonfors

If I say, "FACT: The relative position and motion of the planets do no influence personality or the day-to-day occurrences of human beings. This can be shown through simple calculations of the forces that such planets impart upon human beings and the Earth itself", an astrologer would take offense....

Rogol Domedonfors

There is no 'contradiction', merely different people using the same words to mean different things. Perhaps it's unfair to isolate that from its context, but I'm going to do so anyway, because it makes it look funnier. A properly run encyclopaedia would have an editorial policy and a consistent sty...

Rogol Domedonfors

I'll take the liberty of repeating here what I wrote about astrology, since it's pretty much the same phenomenon. I find it rather depressing how quickly and how easily these ultra-rationalists become self-satisfied bullies. They behave as if they genuinely believed that there was such a thing as u...

Rogol Domedonfors

"Tosh" would be a word I would use for things like the endless fancruft about badly-written fiction involving Star Wars characters. But funnily enough you don't get obnoxious bullies harassing the authors of those articles because it's not "reality-based". Why not? That's the sort of thing this site...

Rogol Domedonfors

Is there enough here to make a story that the outside world could understand? Foundation fails to notice that senior administrator breaks the rules and gains illicit access to private information about users and readers under two different pseudonyms?

Rogol Domedonfors

As was said above, in an encyclopaedia, the tone would be decided and set by an editor, or editorial board, whom we might hope to be sensible adults. Instead the decisions are taken by bullies who do it for a primary motive which is not to impart knowledge but to hurt people. In answer to your speci...

Rogol Domedonfors

I'll take the liberty of repeating here what I wrote about astrology, since it's pretty much the same phenomenon. I find it rather depressing how quickly and how easily these ultra-rationalists become self-satisfied bullies. They behave as if they genuinely believed that there was such a thing as ul...

Rogol Domedonfors

It is of course perfectly possible for succession boxes to become inconsistent if not updated in tandem. It would presumably be possible for the WMF developers to devise some clever piece of code that could be used to keep them all compatible. Somebody should ask for it.

Rogol Domedonfors

Thanks -- it seems that this source is using the word "dead" to agree with the Dead mall (T-H-L). But the contradiction remains, and one of the two articles at least was going to turn out to be wrong.

Rogol Domedonfors

Maybe it does -- in fact between ourselves I think it does: it's the third of my options. What was written does not mean that in plain English. It may be that "passengers" in transport parlance means "passenger journeys", but it would be more helpful for the English-language Wikipedia to express its...

Rogol Domedonfors

I find it rather depressing how quickly and how easily these ultra-rationalists become self-satisfied bullies. They behave as if they genuinely believed that there was such a thing as ultimate truth, that early 21st century science possessed in full measure, and that they themselves had privileged a...

Rogol Domedonfors

One great feature of the succession box is that the various constituent sub-templates individually emit malformed wiki markup: it's only when they're read in succession that you get legal markup codes. That breaks the new-fangled parser and make it harder for Visual Editor. So eventually they will h...

Rogol Domedonfors

The City Circle Line is a proposed new metro line for Copenhagen. It is set to have a particularly big effect on the city's transport system, because "The transit agency Movia projects up to 34 million passengers will switch from buses to the Metro annually." That means that every year, more than th...

Rogol Domedonfors

Considering that OTRS is supposed to require real-life identification Applicants only need to electronically sign a confidentiality agreement, be at least 16 years old, and have a valid email address. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS/Volunteering Gosh, you're quite right, it's the new https://m...

Rogol Domedonfors

thekohser wrote:
AndyTheGrump wrote:Just because some people apparently use the term 'dead mall' to refer to something that isn't actually dead...
It's weird, but I've always considered every mall to be a non-living entity.

That's not the premise of Chopping Mall (T-H-L)

Rogol Domedonfors

Very likely. But without a reliable source to consult, how can we tell?

Rogol Domedonfors

OTRS users are listed on this page. I don't see either editor listed there, either on the latest page, or in the history. A search on Meta for "OTRS Lantier" returns https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Global_permissions/2017-05&oldid=16841666,Steward requests/Global permi...

Rogol Domedonfors

I'm having difficulty verifying that INeverCry ever had OTRS access. Can anyone point to some evidence?

Rogol Domedonfors

At one stage I seem to recall the identification consisted of a member of staff reading the document and then destroying it. That would certainly account for the same person getting through twice under different pseudonyms.

Somebody should raise this on the wikimedia-l mailing list.

Rogol Domedonfors

True, I have diverged somewhat from the initial intention to look at the hooks. But I take DYK to be examples of the sort of articles that Wikipedia is especially proud of, and which have been specially checked over before being promoted. They actually seem to be slightly worse than average, possibl...

Rogol Domedonfors

Ah, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS means that the fact that something apparently similar to what we are objecting to exists is not a reason to keep the object of our annoyance. I take it to mean that Wikipedia has a sufficiently ambiguous or even self-contradictory set of policies that people who are known on...

Rogol Domedonfors

As far as I can see, Martin is a sociologist interested in the social mechanisms of dissent and its suppression. He chooses to study the case of dissent over vaccines. He observes various groups which take various positions in this dispute: to do this, as is natural, he has joined some of those grou...

Rogol Domedonfors

A dead mall "is a shopping mall with a high vacancy rate or a low consumer traffic level, or that is dated or deteriorating in some manner." The article makes it clear that the term is used to describe malls that are not closed. On the other hand, Westminster Mall (Colorado) "is also a dead mall, ha...

Rogol Domedonfors

Perhaps more revealing is a comment by Zhuyifei1999 who https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stewards%27_noticeboard&diff=17099951&oldid=17099918,wrote to INC I know you are a good admin when you don't overreact; that's why I did not publicly advertise your at-the-time-almost-100%-sure socki...

Rogol Domedonfors

My favourite was I just want to let stewards know that while I was an admin at Wikimedia Commons under the sock account Daphne Lantier, the 80,000 log actions I performed were all legitimate and conscientious. I followed policy and didn't do a single log action that was bad or questionable in any wa...

Rogol Domedonfors

DYK really is the gift that keeps on giving, isn't it?

Thanks and

Rogol Domedonfors

Credit to https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=203,another forum for raising this. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators/Requests/Daphne_Lantier_(desysop),Commons:Administrators/Requests/Daphne Lantier (desysop) records that INeverCry and Daphne Lantier were so...

Rogol Domedonfors

DYK today on " C. Louise Boehringer , the first female Superintendent of Schools in Yuma County ..." Looking at the article, she was "editor of the Arizona Patent-Teacher Bulletin ". Clearly her system of teaching was so novel that it was patented? No, it's a typo for "Parent-Teacher". Lesson: check...

Rogol Domedonfors

I think we're talking at cross-purposes. I was using the special Wikimedia dialect in which "Let's do X" means "Let's claim we're going to do X and get someone to give us a large sum of money and then kind of give everyone the impression that we probably did it, or are about to do it". You were usin...

Rogol Domedonfors

I have heard of Limbaugh, but we appear to be talking about someone called Lars Larsen, of whom I had not heard until today, and I naturally would not know what the dynamics of appearing on Mr Larsen's programme are. Should we assume that he would never invite someone of a different political persua...

Rogol Domedonfors

I'll see if I can get some "rogol" masks printed up, shall I?

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