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Starke Hathaway

Petition to change BMK from "Beyond My Ken" to "Big Mad, Kiddo."

Starke Hathaway

Wow, that's "total equanimity"?

Starke Hathaway

Beeblebrox wrote:i could've sworn somebody over here predicted this RFA in the Framgate thread, but it's so very long I can't be bothered to look for it...

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Starke Hathaway

Oh Lord, if I'm reading that Linkedin page correctly, lil' Bobby hasn't even started law school yet. I shudder to think how dramatic he'll be once his 1L year gets fully underway.

Starke Hathaway

Given that all of Fram's offending behavior is supposed to have occurred on-wiki, why should any of the evidence be kept secret?

Starke Hathaway

Calling it now, WMF is backing off of banning Fram in an opaque process based on secret evidence so that Arbcom can ban Fram in an opaque process based on secret evidence.

Starke Hathaway

Pretty bad when your crookedness and incompetence is enough to make freaking ArbCom look like the serious and reasonable people in the room.

Starke Hathaway

Wait, so Rob is now blaming Fram for his decision to retire? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=904157543&oldid=904156973 At least from the inside, I don't consider this ban unexpected. The Foundation discussed Fram with ArbCom multiple t...

Starke Hathaway

JapaneseForeigner wrote:She died in the moonlight, strangled by her own bra.

Well, that's why you don't wear underwear in space.

Starke Hathaway

Your comment is the dumbest thing I've read recently, and I picked up a copy of Cosmopolitan in the supermarket queue last weekend.

not attack: 0.94

attack: 0.06

aggressive: 0.03

neutral: 0.93

friendly: 0.03

Starke Hathaway

My favorite part was where they hassled Auerbach for not asking the question on Weller's talk page, and then when Auerbach did so they hassled him for asking the question on Weller's talk page.

Oh, and of course we've got to gut his article.

Starke Hathaway

Reading that discussion, I am struck by how it doesn't seem to even occur to Smallbones that people may be coming to Jimbo's talk page to get Jimbo's take on things and not his.

Starke Hathaway

Vordrak is a massive tool-- no argument there-- but so what if Wordsmith offered to post his block appeal to ANI?

Starke Hathaway

...this isn't ISIS-sponsored terrorism or even Islamic-inspired terrorism, but simply domestic terrorism by a guy who really doesn't like gay people who also happens to be Islamic. Er, what? He called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS *during* the attack. Which ultimately means nothing. That's asi...

Starke Hathaway

Kelly Martin wrote:...this isn't ISIS-sponsored terrorism or even Islamic-inspired terrorism, but simply domestic terrorism by a guy who really doesn't like gay people who also happens to be Islamic.

Er, what? He called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS *during* the attack.

Starke Hathaway

Poetlister wrote: Very little on the Internet is ephemeral. Most of it seems to get stored somewhere, to re-emerge when you least expect or want that to happen.

Indeed. I, for one, couldn't bear the consequences if the world ever found out about CounterStrikeKilla6969 calling me a "fag" that fateful day in 2006.

Starke Hathaway

four votes . I really didn't expect this. Just shows how Arbcom escalates anything. (And I haven't seen Superbad, am clearly culturally deprived now. On the list of movies its hard to convince a spouse to watch without getting blamed for whether its good .....) ETA: Its currently 4-4 to desysop, 2 ...

Starke Hathaway

They took away his CU and oversight. That should be enough. Er, they haven't yet . And they may not ever given Courcelles' comment that There are, I think, two precedents that resigning as an arb does not by default entail losing the CU and OS flags. (And plenty that arbs who rotate off have the op...

Starke Hathaway

Please, please try to hire a lawyer to sue for this "libel." They don't get a lot of laughs in their day-to-day.

Starke Hathaway

Lightbreather wrote: This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever read.

When you consider that Lightbreather probably reads her own comments, that is a pretty sick burn.

Starke Hathaway

Hanlon's razor and all, but I don't think ArbCom could damage their own credibility and perceived legitimacy any worse if they had deliberately set out to do so.

"If you want a vision of ArbCom's future, imagine a boot stamping on a rake - forever."

Starke Hathaway

Any second year law student knows that there can be no constitutional violation without state action. Why? Because the Constitution is a charter for the government and is completely inapplicable to private actions. Courts enforcing copyrights or deciding libel/slander/IIED claims are state actors. P...

Starke Hathaway

And she's a lawyer folks... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FCase%2FGamaliel_and_others%2FEvidence&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=716254610&oldid=716227505 Is she? That argument reads as though it was written by someone who glimpsed a law scho...

Starke Hathaway

Maybe I'm a cynic at heart, but I can't help but notice the timing of Gamaliel's statements in the case request. A lot of bluster at first, until momentum started to build against him. No answer to Fram's ADMINACCT questions, but nearly an immediate response after kelapstick changed her vote citing ...

Starke Hathaway

arkon wrote: ...I can be blocked easily enough without a case.

Nor any process whatsoever, based on this ArbCom's track record.

Starke Hathaway

The answer to all of this is gonna be the same as the issue of the violations of ArbPol in regards to DA's banning: It's gonna take an admin to step up and do the right thing, and be willing to take the heat. Then maybe others will join in, or don't, who knows. I agree 100% and it has been my exper...

Starke Hathaway

milowent wrote:
But when they removed it, initially my mentions of "Trump" were also changed to "Drumpf"! WTF? See Donald Trump (Last Week Tonight). Then the Drumpfs were fixed.

I was pretty sure I knew what the Drumpf-ening was about, and L235 confirmed that my guess was correct.

Starke Hathaway

I don't know of any policy basis for the statement that "if you have given your real name on Wikipedia, you can't be outed". What about the first sentence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Harassment#Posting_of_personal_information,WP:OUTING ? "Posting another editor's personal information...

Starke Hathaway

If the title of the article is "US views on US gun law", then yes I agree with you. Similarly, in a discussion of an article is called "The official Kazakh government line on human rights", we would not want to discuss the views of anyone outside Kazakhstan. Thing is, when it comes to a nation's ow...

Starke Hathaway

Again I note the US-centric position most contributors to this thread hold. Lightbreather's views would be considered distinctly pro-gun in Britain and many other countries. Does WP:NPOV mean that only the views of Americans should be reflected? Where U.S. gun law (e.g., the 2d Amendment) is concer...

Starke Hathaway

The amount of passive aggressive behavior is off the charts when a spat breaks out, and battlesides are quickly drawn and a moderator has to lock the topic, If a someone makes an argument against the house POV, the house will hen-peck the dissenter if they fail to come around. And I intentionally u...

Starke Hathaway

You must be very young, or not get out much. Way back in the late 90s people on usenet would sign up their rivals to multiple porn sites. The Christian fundamentalists tended to sign people up for daily gay porn, the survivalists gay bondage stuff, or anime porn of the type that wikipedia favours. ...

Starke Hathaway

Malik Shabazz wrote: What makes you think the editors who responded to the survey were too stupid to understand they were the targets of harassment that was being expressed as vandalism?

A substantial number were apparently too stupid to understand what "revenge porn" is, so I dunno, I don't find that so farfetched.

Starke Hathaway

The kiss of death for any ARBCOM case participant. I love it. I think you've nailed it and that is one reason I don't like it. I can imagine the groans in private once the advocate shows up, and the arguments about defense by proxy plus the assumptions that the party must be guilty because he had t...

Starke Hathaway

I really like the idea of restarting AMA. It probably would have a certain number of cases that are very nearly under the purview of the Teahouse: "So You're New Here and You're In Trouble for Something. Here's the Problem and How to Fix It." Otherwise, it would be a form of editor retention. One k...

Starke Hathaway

Actually what everyone who ends up in the public shaming that is Arcom really needs is their own personal public defender. A quality idea, and as such will never happen. ArbCom, when it's not busy smelling its own farts with "certiorari" and "recusal" and "un-recusal," is quicker than anyone to poi...

Starke Hathaway

Randy from Boise wrote: Casliber — CHECK
Opabinia regalis — CHECK
Keilana — CHECK
Drmies — CHECK
Callanecc — CHECK
Kelapstick — CHECK
GorillaWarfare — CHECK
Kirill Lokshin — CHECK
Gamaliel — CHECK

Hot damn, Tim, that is some impressive prognostication.

Starke Hathaway

Dennis Brown wrote:I'm pretty sure that someone with less than 500 edits can physically ask a question, but it would be removed. Meaning, I don't the software is stopping them.

Actually Dennis, I'm pretty sure Zad68 set up an edit filter that does exactly this.

Starke Hathaway

slacker wrote:

Was there some reason you couldn't just logorrhea this particular tirade up into one of the many existing threads discussing the civility issue?

Starke Hathaway

Gamaliel carries so much water for MarkBernstein he ought to be awarded the Official Cupbearer Barnstar.

Starke Hathaway

Newsflash Carrite, the gender gap and Civility Enforcement are linked issues. I know you and the rest of the conspiracy theorists dispute that, but if we want to talk about established facts, that is one. Indeed, Eric only got interested in the gender issue after he found out they were linked, sinc...

Starke Hathaway

I would venture to say that nearly everyone agrees that bullies should be stopped. There is, however, very little agreement about who the bullies are or how to stop them.

Starke Hathaway

This is not a thing with two equal but valid "sides". It's not a video game. No one (other than you just now) is talking about sides, and I'm not sure what you think video games have to do with anything. I'm talking about one person who has made a high-profile pubic statement of full-throated suppo...

Starke Hathaway

I can only hope this article and Gamaliel's macho posturing in the comments thereof represent the end of his transparent pretense of being an "uninvolved administrator" with respect to gender-based controversies like Gamergate. Sorry. Does having an opinion on gender issues disqualify you from acti...

Starke Hathaway

I can only hope this article and Gamaliel's macho posturing in the comments thereof represent the end of his transparent pretense of being an "uninvolved administrator" with respect to gender-based controversies like Gamergate.

Starke Hathaway

Well, I hope this article, and Gamaliel's hilarious posturing in the comments of it, represents the end of Gamaliel's pretense of being "uninvolved" in gender-related controversies like Gamergate.

Starke Hathaway

This focus on GW, who is recused, rather than the 10 arbitrators who will actually hear this case and draft a proposed decision spotlights that women who speak out are often a target, even when they don't participate in the proceedings. This is some extra mild weak sauce right here. A vote to recus...

Starke Hathaway

Moral Hazard wrote:Which cases has Molly already AGK-recused with her fingers crossed?

(Vigilant made a comment about her re-recusal in a case with Scott Martin / Hex.)

I dunno anything about a case with Hex, but GorillaWarfare recused and then un-recused (months later, if I recall) in the Gamergate case.

Starke Hathaway

Konveyor Belt wrote:GorillaWarfare has recused.

For what that's worth.

Starke Hathaway

Actually §45.058(b), C.C.P makes it explicitly illegal to lock the room. See, this is why you can't just read one code section and think you understand an entire legal issue. That code section only applies to children taken into custody for offenses over which a justice of the peace or municipal ju...

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