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- Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:15 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: RFA - Cabayi
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1181
Re: RFA - Cabayi
Minimal content creation. Minimal BLP "real edits". And fewer than minimal "Keeps" at AfD.
- Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:19 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: RFA - Money_emoji
- Replies: 31
- Views: 3160
Re: RFA - Money_emoji
I fear "Game Theory" may apply. Doing something everyone agrees is a "good thing" is an easy path for advancement in any field. Unfortunately, some who just want titles or power choose the easiest path. This person has zero discernible opinions on anything remotely controversial . Which is unusual o...
- Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:25 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: WP Sado-Masochism Festival — It's 2019 Arbcom Election Time!
- Replies: 735
- Views: 32158
Re: WP Sado-Masochism Festival — It's 2019 Arbcom Election Time!
So your voting decision is made solely on the basis of your multi-part question when some of the candidates are falling over themselves to make prats of themselves in answers to a wider range of questions? I have yet to find any person in this world who could rationally weigh the weirdly disparate ...
- Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:23 pm
- Forum: Biographies (BLPs) & Privacy
- Topic: Abattoir For Defective Articles?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 1217
Re: Abattoir For Defective Articles?
Perhaps one should consider that the rationales for deletion are occasionally weak, and predicated on "personal interests and positions". These tend to be "controversial AfDs". Housekeeping AfDs generally attract zero controversy, and tend to be nearly 100% deleted. The "effectiveness" of a vote sho...
- Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:37 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: WP Sado-Masochism Festival — It's 2019 Arbcom Election Time!
- Replies: 735
- Views: 32158
Re: WP Sado-Masochism Festival — It's 2019 Arbcom Election Time!
A Maxim, Hawkeye7, Brady, LaserBrain, Kudpung
B Xeno, LLrych, NYB, TRM, DavidFuchs, SoWhy, RichWales, WTT, BarKeep, Thryduulf
Eliminating the rest. I know that I "failed" a shoo-in, but I regard that as a matter of logic from the questions I posed.
B Xeno, LLrych, NYB, TRM, DavidFuchs, SoWhy, RichWales, WTT, BarKeep, Thryduulf
Eliminating the rest. I know that I "failed" a shoo-in, but I regard that as a matter of logic from the questions I posed.
- Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:28 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: RFA - ToBeFree
- Replies: 22
- Views: 1211
Re: RFA - ToBeFree
Objections voiced by Collect in the Neutral section are a lack of original article creation and a lack of AfD participation. The first of these is not troubling to me in the least; the second a minor party foul. RfB The "article creation by translation", I find a problem. You left out his "interest...
- Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:13 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: RFA - Greenman
- Replies: 54
- Views: 2655
Re: RFA - Greenman
we expect admins to make themselves available in a timely manner to respond to questions about their actions - and during a RfA, which only runs for seven days, we expect candidates to remain alert for that period. 12 hours, SilkTork? What about the polite wp:adminacct question I addressed to Bbb23...
- Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:28 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: RFA - GermanJoe
- Replies: 55
- Views: 2090
Re: RFA - GermanJoe
I'm not sure when and where admin work got conflated with conflict resolution. Sure, there is admin work to be doen that involves conflict resolution, but only if that is what you choose to do, deleting garbage and blocking vandals is a much bigger area of admin-only work. There used to be a mediat...
- Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:03 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: RFA - GermanJoe
- Replies: 55
- Views: 2090
Re: RFA - GermanJoe
First oppose - from a Wikipediocracy member! Oppose Negligible creation of articles. Negligible actual editing of BLPs. Under 8% "Keep" !votes at AfD. Indeed, mainly a "delete nominating" person, it seems (roughly 1/2 of all AfDs voted on, were nominated by this person). Three negatives and I have ...
- Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:15 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: AmericanAir88 - RFA
- Replies: 39
- Views: 1508
Re: AmericanAir88 - RFA
It's a pretty weak nomination to be honest. Just started editing in 2017, the 88 denotes a possibility of ties to Nazism and White supremacists, seems to be pretty young and immature to me. Also seems to have mostly built up their edit count primarily just do minor typo fixes and very basic stub as...
- Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:17 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: Arbitration
- Replies: 549
- Views: 22699
Re: Arbitration
ARBCOM stands for "ARB itrary COM mittee" and always has. It draws the same caliber ( .22 or less) as most fraternity "Judicial Committees" found in lesser colleges. It believes in " us-ism v. them-ism " as its primary precept, giving the "benefit of the doubt" to "members of the body" and giving a...
- Fri May 24, 2019 1:41 pm
- Forum: News and Media
- Topic: Turkey vs Wikipedia
- Replies: 104
- Views: 7542
Re: Wikipedia takes Turkey to European court
WMF loses pretty much - as it is not "harmed" as an entity by the Turkish actions, and the EU has sought for nations to bar "wrong politics" from the public marketplace (indeed, acting against nations which do not bar "wrong thought"). The narrowest ruling would be that the WMF - and an organization...
- Mon May 06, 2019 2:43 pm
- Forum: News and Media
- Topic: Is Wikipedia stealing the news?
- Replies: 22
- Views: 2404
Re: Is Wikipedia stealing the news?
Wikipedia is consistently excellent distilling major breaking news. This is one of the reasons why Wikinews failed — it's a more or less useless dual entity, akin to Simple English Wikipedia vis a vis English Wikipedia. One proviso is that all bets are off if a news story gets sucked into the Israe...
- Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:36 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: Ought Wikipedia be overtly and strongly political?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 9521
Re: Ought Wikipedia be overtly and strongly political?
On the general question suggested by the thread title, I'm sure that most people would find the idea that something claiming to be a serious work of reference should be overtly and strongly political quite outrageous. Of course, people with a strong POV might argue that some articles with a differe...
- Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:23 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: Ought Wikipedia be overtly and strongly political?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 9521
Re: Ought Wikipedia be overtly and strongly political?
Mason wrote:I had to laugh when I saw you tell Wnt "You appear to have a strongly political point of view."
Did I make an overstatement?
- Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:12 am
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: Ought Wikipedia be overtly and strongly political?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 9521
- Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:15 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Headbomb (on "hijacked journals")
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5174
Re: Headbomb
Unfortunately, the WP "list" calls the real journals the hijacked journals - in complete and utter contradiction to the usage in Beall's list, which was the basis for the Wikipedia list. The list creator then makes sure the article on those fakes agrees with his WP list which contradicts Beall. Rig...
- Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:59 am
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Headbomb (on "hijacked journals")
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5174
Re: Headbomb
The concept that " Beall made a mistake in his own work " is rather strange. Why? All human beings make mistakes, and it's probably an easy one for someone who isn't a grammarian to make, though admittedly that's easy for me to say since I'm a grammarian. Are you trying to get the sourced quashed? ...
- Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:42 am
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Headbomb (on "hijacked journals")
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5174
Re: Headbomb
By the way, Beall's list was moved here a while back, so maybe the source link should be updated...? The mistake is still there, but if someone is going to ask him to fix it, he's only going to fix the current version - not the one on the Wayback Machine that the WP article is using. EDIT: Also, to...
- Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:00 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Headbomb (on "hijacked journals")
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5174
Re: Headbomb
Mr. Collect, just as a point of clarification, why do you say the words "hijacked" and "sham" have the "the exact opposite meaning" in this context? Obviously they'd have quite different meanings in the context of taking over airliners while in flight, but this is the world wide web... IMO, the mor...
- Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:43 am
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Headbomb (on "hijacked journals")
- Replies: 12
- Views: 5174
Headbomb (on "hijacked journals")
Hijacked journal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Headbomb Seems to think posting at [[WP:RSN]] is "canvassing" and repeatedly hats a question on that board, as the valid sources are misused by an editor, making they "say" the exact opposite of what the sources say in simple Engl...
- Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:31 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: The New York Times is bad per "WP:SOURCEWATCH"
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2449
Re: The New York Times is bad per "WP:SOURCEWATCH"
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hijacked_journal&action=history An editor was upset that I noticed a source being misused at that article - making his claims a teeny bit weak. So he reverted my actual use of the sources, and doubled down by citing his own words https://en.wikipedia.org/w...
- Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:04 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: The New York Times is bad per "WP:SOURCEWATCH"
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2449
The New York Times is bad per "WP:SOURCEWATCH"
Ownership of a company is not in itself a reason to "deprecate" or find a source "unreliable". I note that a main source used to argue for this is Buzzfeed News which is, per se, not an "exceedingly reliable" source on Wikipedia. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/nyregion/new-jersey-paying-fees-to...
- Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:18 am
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Fake sources
- Replies: 12
- Views: 4176
Re: Fake sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Academic_Journals/Journals_cited_by_Wikipedia/Questionable1 A valiant effort, but most of the sources it lists as likely unreliable are major sources in their field, but the list maker wants folks to object to the wrong sources in the list instead...
- Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:12 am
- Forum: News and Media
- Topic: Politically polarized teams produce better work...?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1425
Re: Politically polarized teams produce better work
The key pull-quote would probably be this: In the new study, researchers Feng Shi, Misha Teplitskiy, Eamon Duede and Evans first estimated the political affiliation of more than 600,000 Wikipedia contributors through how often they contributed to liberal or conservative articles. They then measured...
- Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:10 pm
- Forum: News and Media
- Topic: Italy Wikipedia page shut for EP vote
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1781
Re: Italy Wikipedia page shut for EP vote
The Italian Wikipedia page was shut down Monday ahead of Tuesday's European Parliament vote on a new copyright directive. "From 08:00 today the Wikipedia items in the Italian language will not be accessible, but will send viewers to an information banner on the reform of copyright, in view of the v...
- Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:26 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Fake sources
- Replies: 12
- Views: 4176
Re: Fake sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Academic_Journals/Journals_cited_by_Wikipedia/Questionable1 A valiant effort, but most of the sources it lists as likely unreliable are major sources in their field, but the list maker wants folks to object to the wrong sources in the list instead...
- Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:40 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: Viewpoint screening and its effects
- Replies: 11
- Views: 3488
Re: Viewpoint screening and its effects
FWIW, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AAdvocacy_articles "Bar all advocacy articles as determined by ArbCom from mainspace unless they are clearly marked as "advocacy." Such articles would not need to adhere to NPOV once marked, but other articles with differing views would be accorded...
- Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:14 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Fake sources
- Replies: 12
- Views: 4176
Fake sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Academic_Journals/Journals_cited_by_Wikipedia/Questionable1 A valiant effort, but most of the sources it lists as likely unreliable are major sources in their field, but the list maker wants folks to object to the wrong sources in the list instead...
- Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:21 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Has anyone been treated badly by administrators/Wikipedians?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 8056
Re: Has anyone been treated badly by administrators/Wikipedi
The Rule rather than the exception - though some of the worst admins have "retired" there are enough left for whom "animus" is too gentle a word.
- Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:36 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth" ?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 9854
Re: Ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... re_biased.
Has now been placed in project-space by a third party.
Opinions thereon?
Has now been placed in project-space by a third party.
Opinions thereon?
- Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:57 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth" ?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 9854
Re: Ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth"
In fact people used to sit in cemeteries and listen for bells that ran out of the gravesites in case it happened after they were buried. Got an example of this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_coffin Bells and all. And Mary Baker Eddy was rumored to have a telephone! Each year, several dozen c...
- Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:45 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth" ?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 9854
Re: Ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth"
Meanwhile, "salacious" is rather peculiarly used here - it means related to pornography or similar sexual matters . I daresay the questions raised are totally unrelated to "sexy stuff" entirely, and your thesaurus should be replaced. You don't think your attempt to provide intellectual clickbait wa...
- Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:12 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth" ?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 9854
Re: Ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth"
Admittedly this is just my opinion, but to me, it looks like the addition of this little subsection was basically a breaching experiment to try to get a theological argument included in the article as if it were science. Collect's salacious titling of this thread certainly seems to indicate that hi...
- Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:26 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: "Selective censorship" or conformance with law?
- Replies: 19
- Views: 4727
"Selective censorship" or conformance with law?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Selective_censorship_in_general_.28_e.g._New_Zealand_massacre.29 Raises an interesting question --- is Wikipedia's role to make sure the accused are punished, or to publish photos and videos for which "creative commons" clearly is inapplicable, whe...
- Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:51 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth" ?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 9854
Re: ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth"
Is there any reason to think that a theologian would be able to properly estimate a meaningful probability in such a fashion? I have yet to meet a theologian who was competent in mathematical treatments of any sort. I also cannot fathom why anyone would think that this particular claim is worth rep...
- Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:36 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: Ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth" ?
- Replies: 43
- Views: 9854
Ban all theology, metaphysics, and "non-absolute truth" ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shroud_of_Turin&diff=887727260&oldid=887725648 The editor excising that edit appears to feel that theological and metaphysical claims made in a theological journal, cited, identified and sourced as such, go against the " truth ", and the issue is whether a...
- Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:40 pm
- Forum: Sexism
- Topic: Failed Wikipedian Humor Attempts, Gender-Pronoun Division
- Replies: 73
- Views: 21810
Re: Failed Wikipedian Humor Attempts, Gender-Pronoun Divisio
What I don't get is, why do they even try to do things like this? They know they're not good at it, and the venue and context just makes it worse. Anyway, User: SMcCandlish (with the), who claims to be a professional writer and is not a Wikipedia administrator (he just behaves like one when it's co...
- Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:13 pm
- Forum: Biographies (BLPs) & Privacy
- Topic: Nasty AFD
- Replies: 2
- Views: 3588
Nasty AFD
The AfD for "Sean Patrick Fannon" is a bit filthy. https://www.facebook.com/seanpatfan overtly and deliberately doxes a Wikipedia editor who nominated his BLP for deletion. The sources for the BLP are mainly podcasts and such major indicators of notability as being asked to be a guest at a small con...
- Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:47 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: The EU and Copyright
- Replies: 24
- Views: 6540
Re: The EU and Copyright
One of the problems is that US law requires people to renew copyright. Some editors on Wikisource spend a lot of effort digging out cases where people, especially those outside the US, neglected to do so and hence their works are PD. International law does not require such an act of renewal. US law...
- Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:27 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: The EU and Copyright
- Replies: 24
- Views: 6540
The EU and Copyright
On the "Jimbo Wales talk page" there appears to be a discussion implying that actually adopting stringent copyright rules would "doom Wikipedia". Would actually obeying laws about intellectual property actually doom Wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Encyclopedias_for_Del...
- Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:12 pm
- Forum: Governance
- Topic: Fae arbcom case
- Replies: 45
- Views: 11638
Re: Fae arbcom case
Ming notes that the attempt to "toughen up" WP:CANVASS doesn't apparent o be getting much traction. Traction??? [[WP:CANVASS]] has been totally ignored on IRC and email canvassing , and mainly ignored even when done overtly on talk pages. As has the statistical fact that groups with identical inter...
- Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:43 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: What, really, is a truly "reliable source"?
- Replies: 45
- Views: 13734
Re: What, really, is a truly "reliable source"?
Bezdomni wrote:I've always quite naively viewed dictionaries as reliable sources, and one of my favorites suggests that reliable sources, since at least 1150, have been those places where water bubbles up each spring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dord
Dictionaries are not always all that "reliable."
- Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:00 pm
- Forum: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Projects - General Discussion
- Topic: What, really, is a truly "reliable source"?
- Replies: 45
- Views: 13734
What, really, is a truly "reliable source"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... urce.22.3F
I present my view that the Wikipedia usage is now incredibly far off the mark. Is it?
I present my view that the Wikipedia usage is now incredibly far off the mark. Is it?
- Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:35 pm
- Forum: Biographies (BLPs) & Privacy
- Topic: When should an "accusation" be placed into any BLP?
- Replies: 15
- Views: 6736
Re: When should an "accusation" be placed into any BLP?
It's a tricky issue to be sure, but to me at least, the problem is more on the tail-end of the public-attention curve, not the front end. If someone is getting serious media coverage over an unproven criminal accusation of some kind, you can certainly make the argument that it would be unfair to de...
- Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:27 pm
- Forum: Biographies (BLPs) & Privacy
- Topic: When should an "accusation" be placed into any BLP?
- Replies: 15
- Views: 6736
Re: When should an "accusation" be placed into any BLP?
On one level (beyond legal culpability) it's more of a problem with dead people, who after all cannot defend their reputations. The whole George Bell (bishop) mess was enabled almost entirely by him being dead for nearly four decades when the allegations were made, making it next to impossible to d...
- Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:19 pm
- Forum: Biographies (BLPs) & Privacy
- Topic: When should an "accusation" be placed into any BLP?
- Replies: 15
- Views: 6736
When should an "accusation" be placed into any BLP?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... accusation
presents that very question. Should an accusation where the accuser presents the accusation of criminal acts publicly but not to any "fact-finder", investigator or court in itself notable in a BLP?
presents that very question. Should an accusation where the accuser presents the accusation of criminal acts publicly but not to any "fact-finder", investigator or court in itself notable in a BLP?
- Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:38 pm
- Forum: News and Media
- Topic: Waibel v Wikimedia
- Replies: 16
- Views: 2161
Re: Waibel v Wikimedia
https://thewikicabal.com/2019/01/20/waibel-v-wikimedia/ German professor wins 25,000 euros plus legal costs from Wikimedia Foundation, after successfully arguing in a German court that the Wikipedia article about him was libelous. German court ruled: The WMF is legally responsible for any content o...
- Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:29 pm
- Forum: Biographies (BLPs) & Privacy
- Topic: Evil Eva Bartlett
- Replies: 2
- Views: 3638
Evil Eva Bartlett
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eva_Bartlett#RfC
Are "bad people" still protected by BLP, NPOV and RS rules?
Are "bad people" still protected by BLP, NPOV and RS rules?
- Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:36 pm
- Forum: News and Media
- Topic: Wikitribune - the next great Wales failure
- Replies: 747
- Views: 127939
Re: Wikitribune - the next great Wales failure
Is there any way we can get Alexa to consult this site to find the answers to questions? That might produce some intriguing answers! :B' AFAICT, "Alexa" from Amazon is very marginally related to "Alexa.com" which is a webpage ranking site as one of its aims (the main purpose is to sell services to ...