Wikipediocracy

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I am currently working on conversation tokenization and value for AI participation and listening. The concept is something like this (a few things not included as I hope to patent them): Conversations have these parts: Participants, POV, Standard elements, Tone, Sentiment, Content, Relative Status,...

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My thoughts: (a) Won't work for long with Call of Duty, if it works at all (the false positive rate may be too high to make it tolerable). People will figure out ways around it. It may even make things worse, since they'll see beating the AI as a challenge... (b) Not applicable to Wikipedia, since ...

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Hubby and I stream tech shows on the weekends. This morning on Tech News Weekly #301 (twit.tv) one topic was AI moderation of Call of Duty. A beta version was rolled out this past week. It listens to *voice* chat, but it made me wonder about using such a tool on Wikipedia text talk. I've found quite...

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Women getting under Elon's skin:

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I find his scheme to pay for blue checks ridiculous. And banning people (like Kathy Griffin) who parodied him to point out that those checks are/should be for verification? That was galling. But the last straw for me was this tweet - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589639376186724354 - advising...

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I recall you hinting at this in a PM, I believe, a while back... Maybe we should do a blog post about this? .... Yeah, a couple of years ago. I let the whole thing go because I'm simply not willing to put another ounce of work into that place. I don't miss it at all. I don't know about a blog post ...

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.... As for systemic problems, start with "anyone can edit". She wasn’t taught to romanticize the war. “The martial qualities of the veterans were never celebrated,” Coffman says. “It wasn’t about the glorious victories, fighters zooming down on enemy ships.” Her grandfather, a soil scientist, serv...

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All I can say is, Brava! K.e.coffman.

One Woman’s Mission to Rewrite Nazi History on Wikipedia link by Noam Cohen link

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It's clear that Wikipedia and its culture in practice acts exactly the way Randy in Boise suggests they should act. Of course, this kind of shrug and bear it behavior is precisely what enables the proliferation of sexism. It's not like there aren't hundreds or thousands of well-researched sociologi...

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I might try to parse out and answer your questions tomorrow, but for tonight I'll just say this. You may or may not be aware of this but women are tuned in to their surroundings at just about all-times, especially when they're alone. For all of us there's the sexual threat, and for WOC there's the ...

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I just don't see how expecting civility on Wikipedia is going to be seen as a turn-off to POC. Who said anything about "expecting"? No offense, but you seem to have missed a key element in the thread's original premise — if they're expecting anything, it's that civility demands are going to be used...

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I think just about everyone knows that I am a white woman. Can you imagine how what I went through would have been interpreted by a WOC? From the start, to have a half-dozen or more men come at you all at once? Among these men, the "guns" project lead who writes https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...

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Found on my brief stint editing the Simple English Wikipedia and SE Wiktionary:

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.... Among these men, the "guns" project lead who writes https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban&diff=prev&oldid=568027007,this , https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban&diff=prev&oldid=568153946,this , and https://en.wikipedia...

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Although Zamalin's points are worth considering, certainly in light of recent protests over POC dying in police custody, I think efforts to improve civility on Wikipedia is a whole other topic. Consider this. Many women are very active in the gun violence prevention movement. Many are well-informed ...

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The flawed premise of the workplace analogy is that when you have a job you have a contract and are being financially compensated for what you are doing, which is not true for the vast majority of Wikipedia editors aside from the handful of Wikipedians in residence. Writing decent encyclopedia arti...

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A major schism in Wikipedia collegiality is the people who believe it should be treated as a blue collar workplace (the 'this is a shop floor, we're not here to sing kumbaya' mentality) versus a white collar workplace (and where a number of 'productive but incivil' editors would be fired pretty qui...

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Hmm, the main article on Gender equality doesn't even mention sports. I guess this wasn't in L. Hale's wheelhouse. The only professional sports championship I've ever watched in my life in person was the Columbus Quest winning the ABL Championship. It was quite a thrill! Around that same time I wen...

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Considering that this has been brewing for years and was trending only a couple weeks ago, I'm surprised to find nothing about it on Wikipedia. NCAA women's tournament 2021: Inside an overdue reckoning over inequity in basketball - https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31182950/n...

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The civility Zamalin is talking about in Against Civility is civil obedience. The sphere he's talking about is real-world politics that violate human rights and civil rights, real "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" stuff. He says civility in the sense of being kind, generous, and polite i...

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https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/10/20/black-students-need-changes-policies-and-structures-beyond-higher-education,What Happens Before College Matters by Madeline St. Amour I especially like the quote from Ebony McGee, an associate professor of education at Vanderbilt University: "White peo...

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[The racial makeup of Wikipedians] is certainly a subject worth discussing, but I don't see that it has to do with lacking the resources to participate. https://sites.tufts.edu/digitalplanet/how-digital-disparities-across-the-us-disproportionately-hurt-black-and-latinx-communities/,How Disparities ...

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I've thought about this a lot before, I see the concept of anti-civility brought up a lot on Twitter. When people talk about being "anti-civility" in real life, I think they're usually referring to being policed over their completely justified anger in the face of the death and mass destruction a l...

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My last post was in part a response to Jake's excellent observations here. Re using her real name right up front, I'm pretty sure it was a decision based on the idea that sex sells. Setting that aside, I envy GW's decision to uncloak her name. I still fantasize about doing it, but I haven't summoned...

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I've got to believe that if the UCoC had been in place when I started actively editing that I might not be on the outside looking in today. Will the code motivate English Wikipedia to take the 4th pillar as seriously as NOT and NPOV?

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I don't really participate anymore, but I still receive email from the Gendergap list and this recent one, caught my eye. The WMF is giving a free pilot course on harrassement to several wikimedians from different projects (in English) see here 1. Notes on the course in French are available here htt...

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Link to the archived discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1042#Incivility_-_John_from_Idegon "Idegon", about as far away from Portland as you can get, both geographically and politically, and still be in Oregon. But apparently incivility i...

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First, thanks to those of you who replied to my questions. Second, I've decided that the direction my blog will now take is "A" parts Wikipedia article critique, plus "B" parts musing about other things "from domestic arts to world politics" as I've https://lightbreather.com/lightbreather-3-0-b84ac1...

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I expect that if the articles critiqued are "owned" or heavily contributed to by influential editors, this would be construed as an attack on those editors and treated accordingly. Also, if the POV implied by the critiques was at strong variance with the Wikipedia house POV, that might also go down...

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I'm still interested in hearing feedback on this question. Is off-wiki critique of Wikipedia articles - not editors - sanctionable on-wiki? I'm not the best person to answer this.... Some folks here might recall my own old adage that "Wikipedians consider any offsite criticism of WP for which the s...

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The second thing that occurs to me is that many Wikipedia critics do not use their Wikipedia usernames for criticism. Whether one is on-wiki or off- using one's real username makes it easier to be labeled as disruptive and not editing in good-faith - even if you avoid personal attacks and follow Wi...

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Fox News, as far as I can see, is no worse than British newspaper The Sun, which still seems to be a reliable source. I suppose that most American editors don't know about The Sun. Perhaps American WP editors are unaware, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources...

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Well, we don't have the juice Wikipedia has, but we have way more than their blog, so if Lightbreather generated a blog post with good content, I'd be in favor of crossposting it here with a link back to their blog, thus giving them more Google juice and exposure to their desired audience. Our litt...

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Yes, I can see your point, and that's why I and others fought so hard over several years to get that green sign on articles. Another thing I suggested was a more obvious way of informing when an article was last updated, so a reader can judge how up-to-date it is, but that went down like a lead bal...

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Seems like you're considering some kind of off-wiki equivalent of FAC/GAN? I'm not sure I see the point of that, but maybe I'm misunderstanding something. Thank you. Yes, I suppose it does seem something like that, but the purpose would not be to highlight good articles. The purpose would be to poi...

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As some of you know, I have had a blog for about five years now. It started out as a blog about hostility in the Wikipedia editing environment. After I was site-banned in July 2015 it turned into a blog about pro-gun editors. I want to take the blog in a new direction and I'm looking for input from ...

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The Verge and a couple of other online sites had some interesting reading about how a pro gun group took over editing the AR-15 page in Wikipedia. Here is a https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/6/17086794/ar-15-wikipedia-gun-control-parkland-mass-shooting to the article. Here is a link to the Wikipedia ...

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Apparently this has come to the attention of at least one WP editor: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions&diff=967536522&oldid=967526245#Community_discussion I'd like to state, for the record, that I asked to be unbanned there and here within a couple wee...

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Kingsindian wrote:Only one of the posts on this page has anything to do with Wikipedia (the Rand Paul one). A couple are borderline.

Agree. Can a mod move all but the Rand Paul related?

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... "Spreading gametes" is a crude but reasonable interpretation of the worst of popsickle dressing. Your use of this cutesy "popsickle dressing" term (did you make that up?) has made me lose interest in you and Giano gossiping about "gametes". As someone who has sold shoes for a living for 35 year...

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Western white women have it so hard compared to women in third world countries, I will forever wonder why this is a valid comparison. Thank you, SneakySasha! As I stood at the stove cooking my breakfast I pondered how to reply to this baloney. You, Giano, posted an article and commentary about sexi...

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It's been a long day for me, and my little 8-digit TI-1795+ is having a hard time calculating this - even after truncating a couple zeroes. Is $70,000 <scratches head> .0000087 or 0.0009 percent of $8,000,000,000? Is that nine ten-thousandths? For those who think the gender gap is unimportant, here...

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Lawyers & bankers historically have required a stringent dress code. Up until the concept of "causal Friday" came around, it was a matter of accepted fact that if you go into a white collar job, you have to dress the part. Dressing the part for men has meant a sensible suit and shoes - and a neckti...

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36264229 ... This: As the law stands, employers can dismiss staff who fail to live up to "reasonable" dress code demands, as long as they've been given enough time to buy the right shoes and clothes. They can set up different codes for men and women, as lon...

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I was perusing WT:GGTF and found that Sen. Rand Paul is apparently worried about this $70,000 item - compared to an $8 billion budget! Is this for real? Waste Report for May 9, 2016 - Wikiwaste: studying the Gender-Gap on Wikipedia . It says: One has to wonder where the gender disparity among Wikipe...

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What is HRE? Holy Roman Empire . That reminded me of Otto von Habsburg , who only died 5 years ago. Not quite the Holy Roman Empire (which ended in 1806), but I found it amazing when reading about him back in 2011 that there had still been a living and very personal connection to the time when the ...

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The discussion of Tymkiv's nomination is here: Talk:Affiliate-selected Board seats/2016/Nominations/Nataliia Tymkiv.

Did anyone here follow these while they were ongoing? (I looked around a bit on the "Governance" board, but nothing jumped out at me.)

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Interesting:

Les forums de Jeuxvideo.com, un bouillon de culture misogyne ?, Clemence Bodoc, July 11, 2014, madmoizelle.com.

This article is included among others in a discussion of Henner's nomination here: Talk:Affiliate-selected Board seats/2016/Nominations/Christophe Henner.

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Aside from Vigilant's comment that he looks like Ramsay Bolton, and Kohs' observation that he's a "gamer dude", do we have nothing to say about Christophe Henner - the male half of this duo? He was quoted in this UPI report from April 2013 about a censorship dust-up involving some French secret serv...

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